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" on the verge of currency collapse "
That's some exaggeration. There are some benefits to a weak currency,tourism is booming in Britain. |
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they voted to leave. end of. who knows what will happen.
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It has contracted by 14% against the dollar in a relatively short period of time and is now near parity with the euro. The net impact of such a currency contraction will be devastating if sustained over a prolonged period.
The Brexit vote was the most ignorant vote in modern times by a developed country. A central bank intervention is imminent. It was motivated by xenophobic tendencies (the same rhetoric that prevailed in Hitler's Germany) and has plundered the economy into a period of extreme uncertainty. The economics repercussions of immigration will pale into insignificance in contrast with medium term Brexit consequences. To suggest that Britain aren't facing tariffs and extremely raw trade deals with their former European partners is extreme wishful thinking. |
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How would the punt have fared if as suggested by your good self on multiple occasions that Ireland leave the Euro?
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You fancy Ribchester against Minding this weekend, DJ? I think he might still be going forward now while she might not having probably peaked before Goodwood time.
I can't have Galileo Gold, think they are making excuses for him now with his second career in mind. I was a big Awtaad fan post Guineas but probably overestimated at the time. Simcock has been very bullish on Lightning Spear and might have finally figured him out. I could see him being next best. I'm not sure Jet Setting would be here had Minding not nearly taken the head off herself at the Curragh that day. I seem to have a good few down as not counting and am nearly contemplating going in each way at 5/2. Fahey is quoted very bullish in the paper and I'd imagine he has been checking this horse day and night for signs he has gone over the top. I think he takes this. |
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Ground is absolutely crucial for almost every race on the card Neil D.
I don't like flat racing at this time of year, too many things that can't really be nailed down It's not a race I intend to get involved in but wouldn't try to put you off him either. I am a fan of Ribchester, he's versatile with regards to ground, some of the leading protagonists have had tough seasons but would have some reservations about Fahey producing Group 1 horses consistently. He was extremely confident about queen kindly also in the chevely park but tbf a 2yo filly is less predictable than a race tough 3yo. Sorry for sitting on the fence but don't really have a strong opinion on it. I would have a couple of fancies if a significant amount of rain materialised which at this stage doesn't look likely unfortunately. |
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Fahey is the big question for me as well. Keeping him on it, as the conditions should be fine. It's a pity everything isn't two weeks earlier from the Juddmonte on I always feel. I won't go wild as there is that bad risk there that he might run no sort of race at all.
Just to expand a little Palmer's horse. I've a feeling Galileo Gold running free is a symptom of him having had enough, a horse that has never had an easy race in his career. Reminds me of the latter days of Dawn Approach a little. If I owned him, he'd be retired now as I can see him blowing out this weekend and showing temperament with it. |
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I think you make very valid points Neil D. Ribchester was progressing when last seen, you couldn't say the same about Galileo Gold and Minding has had a very tough season. The more I think about Fahey/ribchester, the horse is progressive, genuine and consistent. Is it an occasion where the group 1 trainer factor is influencing the price where it might not be that pivotal.
To explain myself better, there isn't any point in talking about breeding inferences when you have 25 runs to judge a horse itself on for example. If the horse is consistent that's the most important factor. I'd be more inclined for a win bet at this time of year as a blowout has a higher percentage of probability at this stage of a season imo |
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One thing we know about economists is they never get anything right.
I don't know how the Punt would have fared had we got our independence but I know what the Euro has done to Greece,know how we were forced by the Euro to take on debt that wasn't ours. The currency collapse that DJ talks about is more likely to be the Euro,however far more likely is the collapse of Europe. |
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Sound DJ, might just go win rather than smaller stakes e/w. If he runs his race, I'd be disappointed if he isn't the best miler out of these, if he doesn't he is liable to finish anywhere. Smallish stake win.
The idea of Will Buick easing him down near the line to finish 4th or 5th frightens the sh1t out of me as I think of it. That time of year. |
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How do you think fascinating rock has been campaigned this season?
I am not sure I buy the excuses for not running in the Irish champion/ARC and I think the potential stallion value of Harzand was a massive contributing factor. How they ran Harzand on goodish ground over 10 furlongs is beyond me, he was outpaced in both derbies at certain stages. I think FR is the most underrated group horse in training but is ground dependent and doesn't look like getting it. He's also a horse that improves massively for a prep run. He has raced against Found 3 times and beat her handily twice when he has had his conditions such as this race last year. He doesn't have his ground or a prep run so my enthusiasm has wavered. |
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Wait till Pa Lapsy arrives in Slovenia this weekend and converts his hard earned pound...will come as something of a shock to the system. I hope he has brought a few hang sangwiches.
Then arrives home to find the shelves in his local Supermarket bare. Oh it's a return to the Dark Ages alright. And this is just the beginning. |
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I hope you aren't one of them oaps that relocated to Benidorm Dozy,your concern with currency fluctuation may well have some weight.
You are more worried about it than me. Whatever about the enonomic side the voice stopping a single woman from flooding Europe with economic migrants and whatnot is without doubt right. Decent views on Ascots champions day card. Past winner(looks stronger race though this year) Forgotten Rules had a very eyecatching run last time,cruising, he looks a solid ew at 7/1 to me. Order Of St George is rated 12lb better, might be a chance that the Arc is after coming a little quick but even on a line through Twilight Payment ought to be fairly close between them(though OOSG holds) in any case. Morando is gone up 18lb for last 2 wins, is just a 3yo but has been so impressive, thought 7/1 looks fair in the finale. |
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Agree that Forgotten Rules is overpriced but would appreciate some rain as would Fascinating rock,zhukhova and quiet reflection. This meeting is suppose to be in bottomless ground, more watching than punting if the heavens don't open. Morando handles cut also and is an improver.
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Re Fascinating Rock, He should've ran in the Irish Champion for me. I think Weld is the type that will always suit the bigger owner which he did here with the Aga Khan. Another thing with DK is that he is probably anxious that Pat Smullen ride all his Group 1 horses.
I'd say they were mad keen to get a 10f Group 1 into Harzand for stallion purposes. He's have won the English Leger, which Weld sounded keen on (for his CV), but it would've ended his stallion career. I'd say the plan was Fascinating Rock, Irish/English Champion, Harzand Leger/Arc, but the Aga Khan put paid to it. Harzand had none of the attributes to win an Irish Champion and a lower level of form, at least Fascinating Rock had the distance and maybe whatever small bit of juice that was in the ground. Harzand should've gone straight for the Arc with FR running in both Champion Stakes would've been the fairest outcome. FR is by the second hottest and most expensive Stallion in Europe right now in Dubawi, even though he wasn't precosious, I'd say he'll have a much better second career than Harzand (by STS) and all things being equal, should've been the one they prioritised. Real pain in the ass having to bring him back in at 6 and praying for a wet spring and autumn, they'll have to as his Champion Stakes has faded from memory. |
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Just another point on Harzand, DK said after he won his Derby trial that he needed 12f and soft ground. Don't think that is something you would ever hear AOB or jim Bolger say about a potential Derby colt given the way the industry is.
I think the reason he said it was to say look at the great trainer I am to get this to win an Epsome Derby. Harzand was strong in the betting on the day so he clearly liked him for it and still ran him given the problems they had on the morning. They might have gotten away with not running him at 10f and we would'nt have actually seen that limitation. But I think the perception Weld created around the horse forced their hand a little. I think that is the difference with Aidan, he will throw himself under the bus with the media for a horse the boys 'need on the farm.' |
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Seven Heavens v Zhukova is a great horse race.
OrderofStGeorge is a free sweater and seems to really take it out of himself. Gonna go a little e/w on Forgotten Rules as well and hope for a little rain. There are no other races for him so they might have to fcuk him up a bit on the ground and then just give him the time off. There's nothing else for him as he doesn't get the distance in the 2andahalf mile race in France. they'll just have to let him have it. |
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Bet365 are the only bookie giveing 1/4 odds e/way on all races at Ascot .
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I notice Wildman likes the markets when they agree with his point of view however if they are not with him he is oh so quick to dismiss them and the traders. The fact is Brexit is already costing jobs, anyone that lives and works here can see that.
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Time to come home Rocketfingers.
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Disappointing no rain and worse drying out particulary for Welds horse, he,ll handle good but no surprise a slight drift with the way the weather has gone,pity.
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Was tempted myself Pa , watching brief now though .
A few fancies for Ascot .. Shalaa,sure to come on for recent run... Queens Trust run behind Minding a positive, another improver imo. Jack Hobbs loved this fellow when seeing him win at Curragh , taking a massive chance I know . Yuften backed it last time ,ran on really well to finish avery promising 4th. best of luck punters .... |
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Weak nursery at Mallow Workrider,bit surprised one you mentioned before (Galilean) is dropping slightly in trip,and the "Slow" comment from that thread may be right but looks a great chance for him. Would like to see one of AOB's other "dukeys" set a fast pace.
No rain a bit of a dampener for me as well,just small interest, best of luck with yours. |
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Pa, cant let him go without a few quid on. The long straight in Mallow will suit , not the swiftest but has a race of this nature in him.Hope they let him lead .
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Whatever happens it is better than Ascot,strange results, no pace in 1st, Ryan Moore having a complete mare.
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always makes me laugh when people who know nothing about something pass there comments off as factual...i worked my balls for 6 weeks with many others to set my country free from bankers and unelected bureaucrats, that treated the greek people like slaves...
before the election we were told the world would end..ive seen nothing but good things happen and the £ was over valued..yes its low..but it will bounce back to a rate that is reacting to the reality that the british people hold the fate of there own country in their own hands(unlike the irish)..our exports have hit a 30 high?..of course swings and roundabouts..but for people to use sterling as the panic button is a laugh....i can post hundreds of econamists saying a low £ is agreat thing for britain..? i,ll wait till article 50 is triggerd then wait till 2020... rocketfingers..were are the job losses?..they may come when we leave?but were are they now?..before making statements they know nothing about..people should think...i would make the both of you look even more daft....only people on here are fed up with the subject.... |
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Well said Tony, only recently it was highlighted in The Times how WELL jobs are been created in the UK...Economy booming even with the pound hitting a 10yr low this week...
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DJ must have been listening to that Lord Heskins on radio the other day, he was talking about Britain having a second vote on Brexit fffs...
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wr..as a left wing thinker myself and others in labourleave.org..belive the uk has its destiny in its own hands when we do leave..unlike some..we have always said we will lose investment in some areas..but in time we will gain in others..we will get our fishing fleet back, we now pay spanish boats to catch fish in our waters because we sell the right to do so..
we have many problems in our economy..it needs rebalancing in the 70s almost 1/3 of our gdp came from manufacturing,..but as the present situation with our relying on financial services the south of england got all the jobs,a lower £ will aid us in trying to rebalance the economy and encourge new buisness to invest in the manufacturing base again..its just one route we can help..but many others..to come when we are out and it settles down..the new world tec jobs will be attracted here also.. |
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Sorry Tony don't mean to interupt,
You want the patience of Job WR, got the lead, hope you got some of the 11/4-3/1. |
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Come to think of it now , the Rag n'Boneman will be worried ,price of oats could rise then who's going to feed Nelly...
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Got a little 4.1 on here this morning as well Pa, hes a out n' out stayer , backed him at Curr on Mon , mate of mine said he looked awful and had lost his condicton ,Afraid I'll have to take him on a refresher course around the paddock....
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i like this welsh shadow in 4.10..ground in its favour now..good race for welsh champion hurdle..hobbs horse is the one to beat..nicholls runner is rated highly by the yard..but im on skeltons..
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some horse hobbs..just went with wrong one.
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Not your day mate...
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just better horse mate..knew hobbs was one to beat..thought skeltons would be better in ground..so did market..but as you know ive had 2nds for 2weeks
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tony57 15 Oct 16 15:00 Joined: 13 Oct 10 | Topic/replies: 8,839 | Blogger: tony57's blog
always makes me laugh when people who know nothing about something pass there comments off as factual...i worked my balls for 6 weeks.....before making statements they know nothing about..people should think...i would make the both of you look even more daft....only people on here are fed up with the subject.... Tony...Piss1ng myself here- You claim disability benefit and don't work. You're illiterate but for a laugh please explain how a currency contracting by almost 20% since the vote will have a net positive impact in the long term? |
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"wr..as a left wing thinker myself and others in labourleave.org..belive the uk has its destiny in its own hands when we do leave..unlike some..we have always said we will lose investment in some areas..but in time we will gain in others..we will get our fishing fleet back, we now pay spanish boats to catch fish in our waters because we sell the right to do so.."
Sweet divine please explain the percentage of GDP you expect the fishing industry to account for? "will aid us in trying to rebalance the economy and encourge new buisness to invest in the manufacturing base again" Thick as a ditch if you think the UK can compete with the far east in the manufacturing industry? Massive inflation incoming. |
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![]() DJ he's not be alone in that ahem the irony is the other lad's handle. Work my arse, rider i doubt, the whole family are being looked after by the state ![]() Oliver Wyman is the name of the company btw. Sad times i read 75% of the people who voted out were uneducated. |