The Ryder Cup

Up MAYO (ABD fan signing in)

No room for sentiment Catchme, this is a mercenary bastids thread.

Still the townies vs the culchies

Ah well,  I've procastignated on it a long time, herself will be all of a doodah with her zenophobic shouts for Europe, i must admit that is part of it,she mangled the block of cheese,what is it with women and a complete inability to cut cheese in a straight line?,that is a facctor as well.
Yep all the wrong reasons but what harm.

Pa, One of the worst displays ever by a European team ,a total shambles,taken nothing away from the Yanks but that was brutal from our lads..

Honestly thought the Americans were poor enough as well WR,Mickleson was brutal on fairways but Europe were chronic altogether,Westwood missing a couple of short ones, Rose doing nothing,Pieters to his credit for a rookis did well.
Don't understand why Fitzpatrick and Wood not playing in fourballs, it is such a bad sign of a team that played so poor they aren't getting a game,really shouldn't be there if can't get picked after earlier.

Could be a right mauling here.

Great comeback this evening even if Kaymer continues to play very moderately, like he has done in many matches over the 3 cups despite a marginal winning record.

The exclusion of Knox for his pal Westwood is already making Clarke look like a plonker. Pieters must feel like he is playing a different sport now with Rory and is playing brilliantly.

Massive improvement , goggle eyed atm ,think I'll take to the bed...

I didn't see that coming either, suppose from the spectacle point of view it is better close.

Clarkes biggest mistake so far for me was not playing the two Spaniards together this morning, behind but off to bed the happier side.

Good comeback after a disastrous morning . Americans played well in morning , but not 4-0 play , momentum swing a factor .  Should have been 3-1 probably each session on first day .

Rory simply the best player out there at present , hope Darren can place him properly so as to guarantee maximum points from him from now on .

Looking forward to some great sport over the next few days , the replay could go either way on basis of what I saw in Croke Park .  Dubs allegedly cant play badly again , but Mayo played well and might do so again .

I thought Pieters carried him myself yesterday Kelly.

Think the pairing is right to go out first today,bit surprised Mickleson is,he didn't hit a fairway yesterday,that is not to say he won't today but evens looks a decent price for Eur to continue the momentum.
Looks the standout bet of the 4 early matches to me.
Maybe the Americans will get the next 2 and the Spanish pairing possibly the last though i couldn't back any of them with confidence.
Maybe 7-5 at tea-time?

Pieters won more holes in the partnership yesterday alright pa. Rory was steady but Pieters played the holes that put real pressure. Granted the eagle was brilliant at the end even if the antics afterwards were a bit OTT and the incident with Austin Johnston was not explained properly.

Rory was shaky for large parts of the foursomes with Sullivan too and it was when Sullivan stopped holing putts that they lost their momentum in the morning. He needs a big day today to try and get this to 8-8 or so. There is no question that he will play all 5 matches.

TBF to Mcilroy today he is pumped up to the last.
Westwood holing long putts and looks completely different to yesterday.
Fairly rivetting stuff,big momentum swings,US 10/11 15 mins ago to 4/6ish now.
Probably going into tomorrow at 8.5 to 7.5, shaping up to be close, game on.

Sport does not get better then this, i backed  Thomas Pieters e/way to be top overall pts player at 50/1 with bet365. they were the only bookie to give that price.Hope he doesnt bottle it in the singles tomorrow.

Great viewing, anychance of a mod editing the bit i said with Westwood?
Pure choke on 17.
Darren could have cost the cup as said by Templett with that pick,very ropey.

OMG!!!!!

wESTWOOD

1.01 busted on the tie.
Never seen anything like that from a professional golfer, JB and Moore were shocking but were blessed to get that.

Westwood pure filth sadly , Rose and Willet not much better imo. Chubby could have cost us the cup ,both of THEM that is.

Obvious Clarke was going to go "top heavy" i think DL3 should have put Mickleson out first and kept Reed for 3 or 4 match.
Dustin Johnson and Matt Kuchar are the obvious looking standout American "certs", maybe Snedeker, i think the 1st half dozen matches are open enough, the danger though doing the later one like Kuchar is the cup could be either decided and apathy sets in , or even if Europe have momentum you are getting short odds with a crowd against you.
Expecting a bit of a comeback at least for a while,unless nerves/momentum don't completely take over hard to see US losing,the bottom end of Europes team looks so weak.

Clerkmore • October 2, 2016 8:25 AM BST
This is what I wrote on 1st September.

Clerkmore • September 1, 2016 4:56 PM BST
The US are definitely certainties.

Westwood should have been named as vice-captain ages ago. He will be hoping to find a partner like Colsaerts in 2012 who carried him to a win. There is no chance he will stand up to the pressure as he has been dire all year when he's been in contention. If he had any honour he would stand down.

Kaymer is not the player he was either.

The Ryder Cup has always been an old pals act in Europe. Torrance, James, McGinley, Clarke, Westwood etc. Knox should have made the team for sure but he's not part of the inner circle.

I would have picked McDowell as at least he can putt and proved himself in the last two Ryder Cups.

I think if i was a drugs official i,d be asking mcilroy to step into my tent.

Never seen a golfer so pumped.

It is some match though,Reed is as bad,great golf from the two in the first few holes.

Not a bad start from Europe overall.

And particulary when all the evidence in his life so far seemed to indicate he cared only about himself.

Ye Reed for me probably the player of the cup .

Outstanding from both of them though.

Great stuff, we might even get Callit to call back in if this standard keeps up.

The crowds in danger of going completely native,particularly in the lead match,great golf but awful crowd etiquette.

We seem to be missing some short putts...

FFS   

Yep WR Mcilroy has to win you'ld think to have any chance,poor.poor putt.

Reed and mcilroy were unreal early on and couldnt play any better so it was really a matter of who would crack first,

Seems to be mcilroy unless he can find that mindset he had all week again.

That aggressive mindset he had all week

Pieters has some bottle for a rookie, in that athsmophere.

Well done Reed,  with that game and more importantly character a few majors surely beckon in the future.

Well  done Frank,smashing result for you.

Have you EVER seen worse putters than those ENGLISH lads...

Been desperate all week wr.

Westwood and Willett were shocking.

TY Workrider, made e850 out of the bet. I had e50 on Found at 16/1 to win today with 365 as well, [the price Found was just after the champion at leopardstown]  recon 365 will be giveing me the red card after today,

Singles ended up a rout, one very weak European team with exception of Pieters,Cabera-Bello,Stenson, Mcilroy, really. Americans had such a strong one likes of Bubba,Berger,Furyk couldn't get in.
Reed brilliant and fair play Pieters.
Damp squib viewing after Europe hit 5/2 earlier in the evening.

Brilliant Frank , delighted for you...

Well done Garcia in a great match.

OLDD maybe the best match match ever in the history of the Ryder cup, Phil gets 10 birdies and only ties the match, well done to both men

Yes Frank, the Rory Reed match started off brilliantly but rory wilted midway through but garcia and phil did it right to the end,

Pity some of the other games were,nt up to anywhere near them.

This is not even phils time of year, usually well over the top by now.

BEST TEAM WON EASY OVER THE THREE DAYS AND EUROPE DIDNT lose CUP AMERICA WON IT WITH SUPERB GOLF .

SOME DOUBLE  RYAN MOORE WINS ARC AND WINNING PUTT IN RYDER CUP

HAD TENNER ON BIG PHIL BUT FIRST TIME ever WAS GLAD LOSE AS SERGIO WAS UNREAL  GOOD FOR GOLF THAT CUP CHANGES HANDS

TEE TO GREEN ROSE WAS SUPERB BUT STRUGGLES SINK THE PUTS   

REED WAS BRILLIANTAS HE BEAT THE IN FORM  RORY  BUT WAS REALLY IMPREESED WITG RICKY FOWLER THEY WAY HE CARRIES HISELF NEVER ONCE WENT OVER THE TOP

HAZELTINE WAS SUPERB FOR THE PLAYERS AS GREAT SET UP

The process handed us 5 English players , add in old pal Westwood and there were 6 of them .  Didn't count up their collective points , but basically they delivered nothing .

Willett connection screwed up , you never stir up a hornets nest . Some of the European team played their hearts out , others wilted . Don't think even Paul McGinley could have got a win out of the twelve representing us .

Americans played very well , Davis Love was always going to be a good captain , particularly at home , and the crowd were worth a good few points .

Some stupendous golf , but course was not difficult , which suited the Yanks , and it is their prerogative to determine course set up .

Hope in 2 years time in France we get a course where they allow the rough to grow a bit .

You know the course for 2018 and it has been developed and matured with 2018 in mind all the time.

It is as good a course as there is on the European Tour.

fitzpatrick sullivan willett nul point; westwood ( world 47 ) a wildcard , nul point ; casey ( world 12 ) knox ( world 19 ) nul point ; kaymer ( world 48 ) a wildcard one point . Perhaps reconsideration qualifying criteria.

Casey didn't play ..

Neither did Knox..

i read a few reports of fans queues for beer at 7.30 am..imagine how tanked up they would be by 1pm..no wonder there was hassle..though with the price beer is in france i doubt they will have that problem the next ryder cup!!

Selection process needs to be refined so that someone like Casey who is playing well can be picked late . Recent form is often a better guide than someone who had a good run about a year before the event , maybe points should be weighted time wise .

It was not just in the singles the English guys messed up , Westwood and Willett both missed tiddlers on Saturday which would have influenced a better score and given Clarke more options re order of play .  He had to front load his team , Yanks knew that .

No real surprise to me the result , Americans were well prepared player and course wise , money came for USA in the days before the kick off , follow the money !( No bet myself ).

France will be a different matter I suspect ,  Brexit did not come in time  for this year !

Kelly, Casey is out there to simply earn money , he has no interest in European golf ,can see him taking out American Citizenship before too long .

Paul Casey is not the most popular man in US  W/R ;once calling them "stupid" and "annoying." he made the comment a good while back, haveing said that i think he lives there now , maybe the yanks have forgiven him.

Irreepective of Casey's domesticity etc I would have much preferred him to be on the team than some of his fellow Englishmen who have not got the b***s that he has . Or the ability .

I have to agree Kelly

The point been Kelly , he DIDN'T play on the European tour this year , therefore disqualifing himself from been selected..

Well aware of the Casey situation , workrider . but as an analogy , Messi was probably the best player in the world , but did not play in Argentina , can you imagine the reaction if they did not pick him for the national team ?

Casey not the best player in the world , although he was deservedly No 3 at one stage and has been playing near that level for last couple of months , which was certainly in advance of the golf being played recently by a number of those pulling on the European jersey last weekend .

Quibble is with selection procedure , Yanks left their last pick until 5 days before the event , maybe we need to copy that . And ignore or change  arbitrary rules set out by the suits whose job it is to promote the European Tour . Captains pick should be left entirely to captain in my book  , no strings attached . Albeit Pieters was the last pick , leaving him out would have resulted in the worst drubbing we have got for years and years .

On another note , got e mails re tickets for Irish open next year 2017 in Portstewart . When it was in Portrush  and Newcastle ( better venues than Portstewart ) in the not too distant past a season ticket was approx £45 ( concession ) . It has now jumped to £85 , a 90% increase approx . Looks like the bean counters have moved jobs from the bookies to the European Tour .

Casey has been poor for years Kelly , only started to fire recently , your analogy has its flaws , lets understand that rules are a nessersary , ie colts dont quailify for the Oaks , yet Fillies do for the Derby .

Casey had a bad injury , golf wise anyway , and some off course problems too , workrider . Stenson was crap for many a year , now is one of our most consistent performers . Luke Donald was world NO 1 and led the two tours earnings wise not so long ago , debated quitting golf in recent times .

The point is that form comes and goes , even over a season , Fitzpatrick is a prime example of that this year , great when qualification started , not last week . On recent form Casey would have been in our "top 4" had he been picked . And the team would have been stronger for his inclusion .

Fillies in the Derby always seemed an anomaly to me , an arbitrary decision no doubt to suit someone historically .