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By:
pa lapsy
When: 28 Sep 16 11:00
It must have been some whack up in fees!
If the split is solely on that you can see both sides though reportly it is Mullins 1st time raising them in 10 years.
Not a bad thing for Irish racing,it was heading for a total Mullins monopoly,nice to see a few others get decent ones though Elliott will (rightly) come out best, a renaissance for Mouse?
By:
cloone river
When: 28 Sep 16 11:23
H De Bromhead.
By:
workrider
When: 28 Sep 16 11:25
looks as if Morris will benefit alright Pa...Gigginstown have always had their own arrangment moneywise with trainers .Great that more horses will be distributed among the more needy imo.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 28 Sep 16 11:31
Apple Jade vs Faughmachine, Vet sauce & Legal fees do add up.
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 28 Sep 16 12:43
This is obviously good news for many reasons, not least of which will be more competitive racing.

This is probably petulance writ large on both sides and it smacks of "know your place Willie" so fond of a vast majority of wealthy owners. The golden boy in Ballydoyle even gets his wings clipped occasionally and the mass-going greatcoats are less in evidence this season now that the "problem" with eldest son has been solved.

The question now is: who gets what?

I'll be amazed if its not now a concerted effort to dislodge Wullie as numero uno using Elliott and possibly Joey. Notions that Eddie will favour giving alms to the masses are fanciful regardless of merit. The timing of Colm Murphy's departure now looks even more strange now as this has almost certainly been simmering for a while and given that he reportedly only recently took charge of that Potts draft-another benefactor who likes to keep the handler in his place.
By:
frank60
When: 28 Sep 16 12:59
Pa and W/R Posts  Pretty Much Says It All,...  I spent the last few days in the town where the  Titanic had its last port of call, i was talking to a local who was not best pleased that Cobh Ramblers got no money when Roy Keane  went to Forest, i thought they got a deal myself, maybe someone out in football land knows the facts.
By:
frank60
When: 28 Sep 16 13:21
PS Sry about going of the subject matter but i didnt want to start a new thread .
By:
mitch leary
When: 28 Sep 16 13:35
Mullins evens for Irish champion with powers. Surely a steal.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 28 Sep 16 14:03
Evens a total steal.
By:
frank60
When: 28 Sep 16 14:30
Gordon Elliot 8/11.. Powers might know where gIGGYS horses are going/
By:
firstimevisor
When: 28 Sep 16 14:45
I know Apples Jade and Don Poli gone to Elliott. The row was genuinely about the training fees- nothing else
By:
neill d
When: 28 Sep 16 15:06
Royal Academy has it down, "they'll want to knock him off his fckin perch."

Fair play, the son of a mechanic I think I've read. If you take his rate of improvement from where he started and it continues, which was nowhere, and his age; Elliot might end up the foremost Irish trainer of his era; he could supplant Mullins. Might be the next guy in at Coolmore even! He has the platform now.
By:
GANT007
When: 28 Sep 16 19:46
Neilld......As long as he dances to Gigginstown's tune.
By:
monarch
When: 28 Sep 16 20:17
Any ideas yet who's getting what?
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 28 Sep 16 23:42
Gordon Elliott will receive around 20 of the 60 Gigginstown horses leaving Closutton. Including Apples Jade, Blow By Blow & Don Poli.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 28 Sep 16 23:43
Valseur Lido will join Henry and Mouse to get eight.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 28 Sep 16 23:47
Betswot - "Gigginstown removing all 60 horses from Mullins? Assume Rothwell has finally completed the extension & can now accommodate them". Tongue Out
By:
ffs
When: 29 Sep 16 00:37
Gigginstown from what I've heard have hit the crossbar with one too many good 6figure Autueil horses also,

With Mullins, you also get Harold Kirk, and it looks great when it comes off (as indeed Apple Jade did, to astonishment), but there may have been a doubt as to whether the best were going to Mullins's more "over-looking" buyers, and what was the whack up ..
By:
ffs
When: 29 Sep 16 00:41
I do know however that Giggy were offered a class horse in training w DK Weld and Eddie turned it down as he wouldn't want to either pay the fees or move the horse,

Even if Mullins was looking for 200p/m extra you know Michael would fight it, and WP wouldn't back down.

de Bromheads' cleanout must have been a factor
By:
Temlett
When: 29 Sep 16 12:03
Harold Kirk would have next to no say about the buying of French horses. He would not have an earthly about most of them.
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 29 Sep 16 12:21
I've said here on numerous occasions how simply stupid it was for an operation of Gigginstown's size to support Mullins when he trains for their "leading owner" rivals. And now we learn he had SIXTY horses in Closutton-SIXTY!!!!

What did Ricci and Wylie or even MacManus think of this?

And if, as has been stated, Mullins and Kirk were buying for O'Leary who determined it was a beast unsuitable (or otherwise) for the Brit owners?

A friend of mine has a mare in training with WP (swops between stations with regularity) and I am completely flummoxed as to why you wouldn't a) give it to a p2p guy to secure that all important "win" in a mares' maiden before going proper racing or b) to a much smaller trainer who will give it some attention as Mullins couldn't possible be concerned about this mare. (Our old friend silvergreaser would tell me why in a heartbeat but I'm just an old romantic).
By:
pa lapsy
When: 29 Sep 16 12:45
In your friends "defence" if you had a horse you would want it with WM.

Gut feeling though is he has a glut of mares and will have like so many others in the stable wait his "turn".

I think the "small" man doesn't do too bad with the stable, Eddie O' Connell for one though the horse was exceptional, an E Manning has a potentially very good one in the last at Gowran tomorrow the way she went whoosh at Galway.
Still you would like to see a run if anyway right.

Silvergreaser would be having a field day with AOB's debutantes.
By:
RoyalAcademy
When: 29 Sep 16 15:12
I have to say, I wouldn't pa. I'd far prefer someone with a bit of skin in my game and needs to look out for me-even if the mare is useless.

Racing is a numbers game - numbers, numbers, numbers - get enough of 'em and you should win plenty.

The history of this mare is interesting: half-sister to two brilliant winners from first two foals and nothing more 8 foals since: with all that disappointment you don't want to be just a number....in my book anyway.

We definitely need more racing threads-some of the cognoscenti still around even if they only feed us crumbs-Bigwilly is always worth a read, for example. With the news on Murphy, Gigginstown, Kavanagh swirling around there should be plenty to get us hot and bothered about.

By the way, I suspect silver is posting on Brian O'Connor's Irish Racing blog. As it doesn't get a lot of comment he (or his doppelganger) is used to howling at the moon.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 18 Oct 16 19:33
Trainer Eddie Hales has received a major boost after he was sent 15 horses from Gigginstown House Stud.

http://www.irishracing.com/news?headline=Hales-receives-Gigginstown-boost&prid=178816
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 18 Oct 16 19:38
For those (incl me) that missed this... © from Tony K

http://www.geegeez.co.uk/the-gigginstown-mullins-split-reading-between-the-numbers/
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 04 Nov 16 14:12
Who has Bello Conti ?
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 05 Nov 16 16:19
Hope HENRY De Bromhead has him - after his great day UP IN DOWN ROYAL today with Grade 1 & 2 wins with Valseur Lido and Sub Lieutenant
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 06 Nov 16 01:24
WILLIE MULLINS TOP MONEY EARNERS FOR GIGGINSTOWN HOUSE STUD

Sir Des Champs €583,298
Don Poli €494,430
Valseur Lido €316,713
Outlander €206,582
Apple's Jade €183,283
Devils Bride €147,842
Petite Parisienne €144,441
McKinley €141,117
Un Atout €83,327
Roi Des Francs €80,572
Measureofmydreams €72,909
Blow By Blow €74,145
Gangster €44,370
A Toi Phil €34,170
Arkwrisht €36,536
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 07 Nov 16 19:42
SEE Rich Ricci is on with Matt on ATR atm - must say I didn't recognize him without the hat/sunglasses.
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 07 Nov 16 20:34
American Tom Devil will be all the rage 2moro
By:
cacique
When: 07 Nov 16 22:53
Is the rumour true that all his horses are  sick,.....
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 18 Feb 19 15:31
Gordon Elliott squad shaping up nicely for Cheltenham....
Apple's Jade (Champion Hurdle)
Ucello Conti (Foxhunters')
Tiger Roll (X Country)
Battleoverdoyen (Ballymore)
Delta Work (RSA)
Envoi Allen (Bumper)
Commander Of Fleet (Potato race)
Dallas des Pictons (M Pipe)
By:
Catch Me ifyoucan
When: 16 Nov 19 17:04
WILL the Supreme boyos be next ? Devil
By:
punchestown
When: 16 Nov 19 18:07
Well if there's no mon there'll be no fun.....
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