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wildmanfromborneo
09 Aug 16 08:08
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Mark Costello does a Bob Woodward impression in his article on the Byrnes Roscommon gamble in The Irish Field.
He gives quotes from betting company representatives,one of the quotes was startling
     
      " people close to the Byrnes yard were actually laying the last winner at 5/4 in the belief that it simply was the
         wrong price "

This is a huge breach of confidentiality rules apart from being simplistic and the opposite of our Deep Throats interpretation.
If someone close to the stable was laying the last leg at 5/4 it was most likely as a form of hedging.
Should a bookmaking representative effectively name an individual layer ?
Many opposed the bookmaker takeover of the exchanges on the basis of their getting access to confidential information.
They are now doing what we predicted monitoring accounts,using confidential information to price races and doing some front running.

A certain drink popular where the Olympics are won't be too happy.
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Report Kelly August 9, 2016 10:37 AM BST
Have not read article , but if someone was waiting on Mr Smith for the last leg of a trixie or treble at attractive odds , they would be mad not to lay some back at 5/4 on a pretty average animal in a non flat race ( beaten on Sunday in a similar standard race subsequent to its Roscommon run ) .

What evidence would an exchange have that someone is close to a training establishment ? Other than betting / laying patterns ?

I suspect that a lot of people who punt on here put in a lay at appropriate odds "just in case" .
Report RoyalAcademy August 9, 2016 12:13 PM BST
I'd say "Deep Throat" is laying on the hyperbole a little Wildman and is hardly comparable with the best movie ever made and I don't mean LL. Lots of similar coverage on this matter all across the media and social media from professional and amateur sources alike. The Irish Field has little or no interest in betting despite betting being the main way most race-goers were initially attracted to this game. Little or no betting firms support it so if the IF come looking for a quote I'd say they wouldn't be too impressed. No comment on the matter from the Ed as he's far too busy on the Irish participation in the Olympics - how many people do you know called "Jonty"? Better Betting, as I've often said, is hopeless allowing professional tipsters free coverage for a few harmless insights and they often hold views on racing events contrary to what they write publicly. It even now contains a section on racecourses for gawd's sake.

I have a certain regard for CB as he operates within a system that allows for, yes, meticulous planning. I happened to become involved in a similar plan recently - very much as a minor interested party - whereby a horse has/is been/being trained in the most extraordinary fashion (I'm only aware of this because a friend of mine is close to the head lad) - and my guess is that an autumn campaign is planned despite the horse currently running every other week. Inevitably, when the handbrake is off there will be only 17 or 18 opponents to beat in a low-grade handicap and, if it works, it will be a measure of the man in charge of the operation.
Report wildmanfromborneo August 9, 2016 1:29 PM BST
The thread title was to get the interest of those people who would disagree with you on the merits of All The Presidents Men but would value the artistic content of a certain 1972 film.
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