David Quinn and Euthanasia

Hopefully by the time Generation X reaches our dotage, euthanasia will be freely available.

this is an issue between terminally ill patients and doctors........narcissistic a holes like david quinn who want to poke their noses in everyone elses business drive me nuts.

as far as im aware this isnt a big issue if you  and your family request it..as brain dead jockeys state   a holes like that quinn yoke we could do without

Really?  In Ireland?

jaysus we can't even legally abort yet!  Don't be telling me we can now actively euthanise?

So now we'll all play God .

Have Amnesty International & UN had their say yet on this denial of human rights?

There are worse things than dying but they need to get the legislation spot on, Im not au fait, hopefully there is somewhere we can copy so as we dont have terminally ill patients at the mercy of deranged home carers with a grudge, plain blood lust or both

It was a very reasoned article by one of Ireland's best journalist.

I think you should trust your doctors n this but be aware that the opening posters paraphrasing of the article was totally wrong.

What happens when someone becomes a burden,is it alright to pressurise them to do the right thing.
Someone with disabilities can be told there life isint worth living.
If someone is a financial,burden should hey be euthanised.

Tom Curran was the darling of the media for years but to me he was a self publicist who cost the state millions
He managed to kill his partner whilst neither having married or had children with her.

im for assided dying, ive seen family die in pain because pallaitive care in my country is bad ..in some parts its good, but its not all over, i saw my best friend writher in agony with  cancer, and we had to wait 3 hours for a nurse to refill his morphine, ..if im termanally ill, i belive its my right to choose when and how i go..as long as 2 doctors agree im terminal..what gives anyone else the right to say you carnt choose the time of your death?
we will always have those that will see the bad side..but other countrys in the world seem to be able to sort this without it turning into what god wants or we are forcing the disabled to end their lives..(which i belive is total nonsense)..i hope the law here changes..but im a member of dignetas..if my time comes i will have to leave my country to choose when i want to end my suffering..that cannot be right in this day and age.

"this day and age" is not an argument for anything.

applehunter,
  so the times we live in with all the advances we now have, is not a reason for us to move forward in our thinking ? just this week canada brought in the right to die if you are termanally ill? its a disgrace that those who are against this do so in the name of god? or scare stories that pressure will be put on the sick to go?safe guards are in place to stop any maniplulation..and just to say it "can" happen is not a reason to stop 99% of genuine termanally ill people from deciding their own times to die

I also think that it was an excellent article by David Quinn, he is in a very small minority of people who are courageous enough to go against the consensus arguments of our liberal media and give an alternative viewpoint. I can't understand how some people can take such pleasure from killing people. Ozy is purring @ the idea of aborting innocent lives and assisted suicide.

Given the massive endemic with suicide linked deaths amongst young and old in this country, it is a disgrace this idea is even getting an airing. The same rags and tv stations calling for more money to be put into mental health are now calling for euthanasia for anyone that wants it. In Holland, euthanasia is even available to children and there is very little restriction to it.

We should be doing our utmost to offer proper help to sick and elderly people, not getting rid of them because they are old, feeble or mentally incapacitated.

so if two qualified  specialists both agree a person has a terminal illness and there only one thing going to happen and the person wants to spare their  family and  themselves unnecessary suffering and grief what do you propose?  pump them full of morphine and knock them out till the inevitable happens?  i find this a no brainer really?  or is the god squad the answer?

wellsaid kavie...

Theocrat New Approach is the type of chap who sees a Bl0w J0b as cannabalism.

I think life is precious and should be treated as such. Many people who suffer terminal illnesses are grateful for every last minute they have to spend with their loved one's. Religion is often a source of great comfort for people who know they are going to die, people who were nonpracticing often turn to God when they know the end is near. It isn't something that should be sneered at in this situation, it most certainly can be part of a solution.

Poor Ozy , turns everything into a sex chat , I'd say the only bit of comfort he gets is self abuse...

Fairly typical for the uncouth vulgarian to drag a discussion on euthanasia to his field of expertise,administering an African form of sexual relief.

That's the great thing about getting a BJ from an Ethiopian; you know they'll swallow.

The great liberal has no problem exploiting the poverty in poor countries to get his kicks.

Its interesting though that the childish childless Ozymanidius sole sexual activity can't have an end result,I suppose its something we should be thankful for.

ozy,i know your taking the michael but this is very serious ..
newapproach,
   what you say in some cases is true, but in alot of cases its not..so what happens to those of us who have no religion?and pain relief can no longer work..am i to scream in pain to a god i think does not exist? what about if i have such a disease that will take away all my facalties? and i dont want people to wipe my behind cos i can not do it?..i have contept for those who are against assisted dying because of religion..they have no right to judge me or anyone else.

the point is..those with religion live in a world that others do not?..i respect that, but that should not mean anybody who is dieing should not be able to ask a doctor to help them on there way either because they are in pain or they will not be able to comunicate as the disease gets worse..

Pain relief is available in almost all cases now. Modern medicine is so advanced now, it can keep people alive and relieve pain much more than was previously the case, we can't turn back the clock and uninvent these things. The likes of Tom Curran and the Australian doctor who are pushing Euthanasia all around the world are weirdos who have a fascination with death, people would want to be very careful before getting involved with them.

We have seen here with a variety of different pieces of legislation being introduced that once you initially introduce them, it is very hard to stop the train on the tracks and further advancement being demanded. If you give these liberals an inch, they take a mile. The legislation introduced in Belgium allowing euthanasia for children is disgraceful. They are much too young to make decisions as important and definite as that. New medicinal technology could be invented in the future to save their lives. A doctor takes and oath and is given the responsibility to save lives, not end them.

A friend of mine is having a pain blocker  inserted into her back next week , she can hardly walk atm ,having spoken to her this morning she told me about the horriffic pain shes been in for over 20yrs ,never once did she think that Euthanasia was the answer .Hopefully this new treatment will work .Nobody likes to see another human being suffer , especially over a period of time ,but whos to know what the future might bring ,if you told people 50yrs ago that TB would be cured by taking a tablet they would have had you locked up . Medicine is making remarkable progress ,so to the death on demand brigade I say , leave this in Gods hands...

the point is..newappraoch wr,..thats your opinion..until your in desperate pain with only more to come ..or your quality of life is such that you carnt bare it..then who ever that is they should have the choice to be able to ask for help to end thier lives..
its folly to say medicine can stop this, if that was the case why is assited dying is available all over the world? and people are demanding it be legal in more places..the fact remains you have no right to say people should suffer to suit your view on life?

We have far more right as 2 Irishman to have an opinion on what laws our country brings in than you do as an Englishman. It is ridiculous that you think we are not entitled to express an opinion on the issue but that you can even though you don't live in the country. That is German-style democracy. Just because some people are demanding a particular law be introduced does not give it any more credence, there are lots of stupid laws being demanded by stupid people across the world.

That post is unworthy of you Newapproach.

I agree with you on this subject but can't agree that Tony isn't entitled to give his view.

We see the dangers of subtle coercion.
The modern trend is sending the old people to care homes,this is expensive.
You can see pressure being put on these people to stop bankrupting the family.

the fact remains you have no right to say people should suffer to suit your view on life?

I never said Tony wasn't entitled to give his opinion, I was responding to the above comment in his post. If we are to discuss who has more right to offer an opinion on this issue, it is surely myself and w/r given the fact the debate is about euthanasia in Ireland. Any change in law would require a amendment being made to Bunreacht na hEireann so to say two Irish people aren't entitled to an opinion regardless of personal experience of the issue or lack thereof is nonsensical. Tony is undoubtedly entitled to express his opinion and I welcome his opinion as he always speaks well on issues like this.

I agree with your point about coercion. The liberals will argue that it will be tightly regulated but we have seen with a variety of issues that these regulations will be loosened and loosened until it will be available to any man, woman and child that wants it. If you give the liberals and inch, they will take a mile.

my point is your against the assistded dying because of your relgious beliefs? imvho that should not be a reason for not allowing those who have no relgion or do ..from having the right with doctors supervision from ending their lives after a terminal diagnosis?

Great point Tony.  Thankfully we no longer like in a Theocracy. 

Any non-indoctrinated, rational, person who has lived through a loved ones terminal illness or decline to the point where they have zero quality of life, understands the call for Euthanasia. And yes, there are problematic aspects to it , with the risk of misuse etc, but on balance, with careful legislation and exacting checks and balances, it feels like overwhelmingly the right thing to do.

A low blow to bring your Plastic Paddyship into a reasoned debate btw.  Another year on the Irish Forum and you qualify for citizenship anyway.

Tony for mayor ....

thank you wr..what are the wages and more importantly exspenses

Will give you a ring this evening ,poping out for a refund on that candle...

a lot of anti euthanasia people base their beliefs on religion and all that type of stuff..like.."no one can end a life only god"...why i often ask? does it make for a good soundbite for the god squad?.?!?! 
  it is a fundamental flaw in man that he wants to believe in something which simply does not exist, which is sad for  otherwise seemingly logical and sane people?

I refuse to believe that a loveing God [if there is one]would have me cast in the flames of hell because i didn;t wont to have a long and painful death, i left instructions with  my kids to toss my ashes into the flowerbeds in Stephen green [when the  park keepers are looking the other way]      aches great stuff for the flowers

I never said religion was the only basis on which I opposed euthanasia, there are other issues also like morality, value of life and lack of trust in medical and political classes. It may suits ye're argument to paint out everyone who disagrees with ye as 'holy joe's' but that is not the case. I'm not a devout catholic but I do think the influence of catholicism generally on society is a positive thing. To say people who haven't witnessed cases where euthanasia would be seen as a possible solution is ridiculous, this law change would require a referendum so everyone entitled to an opinion and cast their vote acordingly.

Ye seem to be treating the issue in a very black and white way which is misguided in my opinion. Ye can see no other scenario other than a person in pain with a terminal illness and all the family in favour where euthanasia will be seen as a possible solution. This is too simplistic. What about a situation where a person suffering depression asks for euthanasia, or as wildman suggested earlier where family try to pressurise a person into euthanasia. This law would be far, far too difficult to regulate. I appreciate Tony and others have witnessed situations where people with terminal illness are in huge pain but the old saying is true, hard cases make bad law. You can't make laws on one particular scenario without looking @ the overall picture.

Ye seem to be treating the issue in a very black and white way which is misguided in my opinion. Ye can see no other scenario other than a person in pain with a terminal illness and all the family in favour where euthanasia will be seen as a possible solution 

where did i say that?  obviously the person and the family and the doctors would have to jointly agree to it.and also  people with depression or  suicidal thought couldnt avail of it.. its like the time the divorce referendum came in.. the   antis had posters  hello divorce bye bye daddy...has to be one of the most nonsensical slogans ever thought up?  daddys didnt abscond on droves..things didnt change only the people who wanted divorce could get it in their own country..
if euthanasia did come in i think a sensible approach would be used and only terminal cases would be allowed..  and can you tell me one situation where   the influence of catholicism generally on society is a positive thing?

I never said you said that Kavie but it is the stock question asked of anyone who dares disagree with euthanasia. As you acknowledge, there are many possible scenarios where euthanasia will be put forward as the answer to a problem. I believe it will be too difficult to regulate and restrict and I also believe from past experience that liberals will attempt to keep demanding less and less restriction until it is available on demand to everyone who wants its.

Catholic teaching has a very positive effect on society. If everyone lived their lives in accordance with the ten commandments, the world would be a much better place.

Tony, how does one sign up for this Dignitas milarkey?

And once your a member, once you make it to the Garden of Eden, AKA Switzerland, are you good to go, so to speak, as log as you have the Doctors Cert?

you pay 250 to become a member, if and when the time comes if you are teminal..or have a incurable disease that you cannot take anymore, your seen by a doctor, and physco, then given 24h to think about it..if its a go then you go to a flat or house were volunters will bring you a bottle given to them by doctor ..you have to take it yourself..goodnight.

newapproach
with respect i find your views on the teaching of the church condecsending! thats your opinion..as ive said people with faith thats great i respect it..but that should not mean i or others cannot decide what i want to do....

Sounds jolly civillsed Tony.  Will have a think about signing up.

A friend of mine took himself off the Swiss clinic recently.

He wasn't very impressed on the morning. They gave him 'Cheerio's' for breakfast.

7k on the day ozy not cheap to top yourself..no nhs..

some of the comments on this thread about tom curran and people who are in diabolical suffering are simply disgusting..........lack of empathy is a shocking personality trait........your day will come my friends.

n1 ozy

the problem with me and catholicism is that the administrators of it are among the biggest breakers of the 10 commandments?.. and some of its rules are totally nonsensical as im sure even you would admit?

Cheerios for breakfast ...

ozy your a gas fcuker!!   7k isnt cheap tho..?  wtf is the 7k for?

MILK 

the 7k is all the adminstration and funeral arraingements..your remains are cremated etc...doctors fees etc..

kerry fella when asked about Euthanasia replied ,sure their the same as youth everywhere ...

I like Frank60 and am disappointed that he wants his kids scattering his ashes.

Have a grave Frank,a place where your wife and those kids can say a prayer over the man that started it all for them.
Who knows you might need those prayers.

I love STEPHANS GREEN and Flowers Wildman, nothing would give me more pleasure then the thought of my children and my grand children comeing even once a year to play and laugh in the green, The green has great history if any foremites like to check it out, i dont want to comment on your well know alternative as it might hurt peoples feelings.

I love STEPHANS GREEN and Flowers Wildman, nothing would give me more pleasure then the thought of my children and my grand children comeing even once a year to play and laugh in the green, The green has great history if any foremites like to check it out, i dont want to comment on your well know alternative as it might hurt peoples feelings.

It's a fantastic place when the sun is shining, have lunch in there a fair bit during the summer (when nice out) although gets a wee bit packed

P.S . I even have the flowerbed picked out Wildman,

Frank, Stephens green was my playground as a child ,was there most days in summer , Born down the road , used to have the wardens heart broke with climbing trees etc.

A little bit of history about the green 100years ago.


During the Easter Rising of 1916, a group of insurgents made up mainly of members of the Irish Citizen Army, under the command of Commandant Michael Mallin and his second-in-command Constance Markievicz, established a position in St Stephen's Green. They numbered between 200 and 250. They confiscated motor vehicles to establish road blocks on the streets that surround the park, and dug defensive positions in the park itself. This approach differed from that of taking up positions in buildings, adopted elsewhere in the city. It proved to have been unwise when elements of the British Army took up positions in the Shelbourne Hotel, at the northeastern corner of St Stephen's Green, overlooking the park, from which they could shoot down into the entrenchments.[4] Finding themselves in a weak position, the Volunteers withdrew to the Royal College of Surgeons on the west side of the Green. During the Rising, fire was temporarily halted to allow the park's groundsman to feed the local ducks.

The park is now operated by the Office of Public Works on behalf of the Irish state