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The greyhound derby
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Stop trying to hide behind others , rocketfingers . Stand on your own two feet and answer in what way has dog racing changed in last 20 years . 20 years ( nearly , probably) has now stretched to 35 rocketfingers , just proves you cant figure .
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Hennessy himself has been done in the past, hasn't he?
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Yes Dan
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Kelly you are making a total fool of yourself here mate, you have tied yourself in knots over this, you have been found out to be bluffing and not being able to answer the questions you have been asked by the forum. You have not been racing 30 something years, but come on here giving it the large one you can't make it up.
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Rocketfingers.....Greyhound racing is like the League of Ireland, it lost the hearts and minds of the crowds. Dublin clubs used to get 5 figure crowds in the 1980's.
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buying dogs from the sales recently has become a major joke, terrible on the ones who have bought geared up dogs from there
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Dont like the word fool , rocketfingers . But your attempts to belittle valid comments make you look like the fool , not least by your inability to see the difference between 20 , 30 and 35 , all of which most of us learnt at kindergarten .
I never bluff ( except occasionally at poker ) . Anything I post is fact based and most based on personal experience . 15 years plus on here also proves something . |
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Poorpup....And you have others using the sales as an excuse.
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15 years plus on here also proves something
Yeah, that you are a long-winded, boring, name-dropping spoofer constantly harping on about the past. |
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Thought you had gone away , Ozy .
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Good one Ozy......I bet Rocketfingers is seething he posted under the wrong name.
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I got the nod about the lunch by text so poked my nose in to bang a few heads together. Just for old times sake
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And Ozy , history is a great educator . Particularly if it is valid and proven . Suggest you look up those "name drops" in my posts to verify them . Premier Fantasy probably knows them , particularly if the very good doggy book produced some years ago was read ( mind you there was a lot of certain periods left out , mainly re northern based activity ).
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Ger McKenna was a neighbour of ours,a much respected brilliant man.
We waited a long long time for Parkdown Jet. Mick The Miller probably the most famous greyhound of all time won the Derby twice in The White City in front of crowds of upwards of a 100,000. We all accept these times aren't coming back but it would be great to see an upturn in the fortunes of greyhound racing. If you were a gambler in those days the only thing you gambled on were horses and dogs. England unlike Ireland didnt have betting shops til 1962 so if you wanted a bet you went to the races or your local dog track. I went to The White City in the sixties ( walked home on more than one occasion ) and the atmosphere was fantastic,the crowds were dwindling then but still around 40,000. Horse racing has the same problems as greyhound racing,there's no need to go anymore. The lad in the betting shop sees as much as the racegoer and now gets better concessions ( double result ) for small stakes. Even the betting shop is being bypassed by time,all the growth in betting is on line. Going racing is one of life's great pleasures,I recommend it to anyone. Wexford is on Wednesday,it will be a quiet jumping meeting but go along you may be surprised how enjoyable it is.. |
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I would strongly recommend giving Wexford a swerve , basement horses, basement bookies, prison food and a rubbish racecourse , well that's my reading of the kip.
I never forget the Friday evening I went to the dive, and sold out on the first favourite in a maiden hurdle . Now I'm not exaggerating it hadn't rained in a month , and the ground was officially good to firm . My little animal who was suited to fast conditions put in a very laboured effort and was well and truly beaten . Went to the parade ring to see had it bled or maybe picked up an injury but although the horse seemed fine , to my amazement there was spatterings of mud on the jockeys breeches , so on the way to the weighing room I just asked two of the jockeys involved in the race, what was the ground, and both replied soft. That tells you all you need to know about Wexford , and Dan I'm not mistaking the restaurant down there either , I know exactly what one you are taking about . If the inmates in Mountjoy were getting that daily they'd be on the roof in no time |
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Incorrect ground descriptions are a bugbear of mine.
If Wexford gave out ( which I doubt ) a good to firm verdict and it was soft that's pure wrong,the reason I doubt it is tracks normally try to persuade trainers to run their horses by not giving extremities of going. Also and this is not meant in a bad way you must shoulder some of the blame as you should have checked the ground yourself. To me the ground is the most important consideration when having a bet. I know there's a bit of skitting between us on the food and that half Alsation half poodle that travels with you but I ate in that restaurant alongside the parade ring and thought it was excellent,it was a carvery. |
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Sums it up , wildman . TV one of the big culprits in changing the times .
Just for the record , who trained Mick the Miller to his first Derby success ? |
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I know he was whelped in Offaly and owned by a priest but not sure who trained him.
I think he was trained in Ireland for his first Derby success and then sold on and trained in England. |
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How could I have checked the ground Dan?, it hadn't rained in ages, it's a summer track catering for summer horses, it was safe to assume that the ground was going to be quick. Would you feel that any punter should need to walk the track in fairyhouse today ?, of course they wouldn't .
It will be good to firm or maybe even quicker , it won't be soft . The game is difficult enough without idiots altering the ground , they may as well have made the 2m races 3mile ones , as over watering is as big a game changer as any . Now as for the facilities , they are primeval and that's being kind, it's a hurdy gurdy racecourse with third world catering as far as I'm concerned. If I hadn't eaten for a week I wouldn't darken the door of that restaurant . Sorry eating place, it doesn't deserve the term restaurant |
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Wikopedia has the trainer down as "Paddy" Horan , but its Wiko so you dont believe all you read . Some ( English) person presumably assumed that all Irish people were "paddy" . Actual trainer ( as at Shelbourne Park in those early days ) was Mick Horan . Mick moved north ( marriage probably , his wife Rose was local ) trained at Craigavad just beyond Holywood , Co Down . Official slipper for Irish coursing club for some times I think , as also was his son Adrian . Mick trained my fathers dogs , my father was a firm believer in having the best on your side .
Adrian worked at Dunmore as assistant racing manager for years with Sam Young until it closed . Have not seen Adrian for years , since Dunmore closed only a couple of times ( in the bookies in Holywood ) , think Adrian was also involved with Ballyskeagh in its early days . Doggy men ( current) may know . |
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The one thing about Wexford is the ground varies on different parts of the track.
Some of the track has a seashell shaley base,you can actually get good ground going into patches of soft ground. I know this sounds like an excuse but its the only track in Ireland where that happens. If I was in Fairyhouse and younger bloody sure I would walk the track for the very reasons you've given. Nowadays I'd loaf around the track waiting for someone who had walked the track to return and I'd ask him. Its not a bad idea to watch who is walking the track,it can give you some clues. A trainer Mincer used to heap a lot of opprobrium on has a brother who always walks the track. Aidan OBrien nearly always walks the Curragh and brings all his jockeys with him. |
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Due to my poor education Wildman i sometimes have to look up the correct meaning of a word, a case in point is your fine word op·pro·bri·um
1. Disgrace arising from exceedingly shameful conduct; ignominy. 2. Scornful reproach or contempt: a term of opprobrium, i cant help feeling that some posters on here have got the wrong end of stick , some have gone and some remain and some may look in now then. I hope some of them return; but im not holding my breath. |