Kelly , having been at Punchestown for most of the week ,and  listening around the course ,very few punters hold that outfit in the same high esteem as you seem too . I heard them say, that outfit are non punter friendly .Anyone who deems them otherwise are fooling themselves imo. They care little or nothing about us , we are cannon fodder for them ,the friendiness has all but gone from punters .

I could have sworn you said before that you dont bet on horses anymore kelly just 3 or 4 bets a year I thought, yet low and behold 3 bets 3 winners this week alone.

It's as simple as this lads, Kelly has the game by the absolute bawlox!

Snap , crackle , pop , I work at it . And I win .  And I am not greedy . Its out there if you know where to look ,( and where its a waste of time ) , but increasingly its getting harder to find value .  Outside of the big meetings the bookies are running a very tight ship , with the inbuilt benefit of big over rounds on races they know attract attention because of media hype .

Anyone can do it , most cant be bothered for various reasons , I have plenty of time and interest , its just the way the cookie crumbles .

I was out and about each morning around 9.a.m  , having walked the dog etc at 7.a.m , ( sometimes earlier depending on wake up time ).  generally I did not get home until after 3 p.m , racing to start at 3.40 generally ( Punchestown , although there were a few other transactions pre Punchestown  start at other meetings .

Think that entitles me to earn a few bob .  Not every week is like that though , depends on whats available .

So the 3 winners are now 3 trades you couldnt make it up

the 3 green and gold winners you bravely aftertimed were in fact 3 succesful trades ?

The term after timed is designed to indicate certain traits , the wasp , as far as I know my only reference to the 3 JP horses was in this thread . And it was in response to others who said that JP's horse activity was not punter friendly .  It was to me , I left out any others he had this week ( and he had a lot , 9 in one race apparently ) .

People who find it obligatory to try and solve every race no doubt finish up in the poor house , and statistically they will back a lot of JP horses in the course of their travels . I dont . Maybe thats why I am pretty sanguine about his horses activity , they dont cost me money generally .

I am going to have to ignore your posts , the wasp , if you have anything constructive to say you are free to fire away .  Otherwise stop trying to score points .

Seldom bet on soccer , it bores me generally . Look up my post re Leicester .

I still bet a lot on racing , the wasp , just not for big amounts cause I cant get on . Nowhere did I say I dont bet much on racing , another invention by you . You have to read and interpret the posts ,I cant help it if you dont cop on .

I reckon your ass is out on this one Kelly. Youre a good one if you can get out of this. I reckon even the racing appeal board couldnt save you now.

telling us at what time he walks his frickin dog

Arkle , your post follows on the wasps unbelievably naive interpretation of a factual post , taking part of a line and taking it as evidence that I only indulge in 3 or 4 bets a season . I bet most days , mainly trading , often in running . One objective I have though is to finish up minus on my Betfair account lest the dreaded premium charge ever pops up .Backing winners with the bookies and laying off on here is an integral part of  that  , gives an added edge to winner seeking .

Do you have a dog Ozy ?  If not I recommend it as it gives you time to think things through when communing with nature , and the dog , and other dog walkers who generally are decent people ( and non snipers) .

Tolmi , when ( or if) I ever start to lose I will accept advice from anyone . Until then I will continue as I have done for 15 years plus on here. When I started on here I was still working full time , and it took me a year to figure out  systems which worked positively .  There was no betting in running then on a lot of events as I recall , particularly on place markets on horse racing which I pushed for with Betfair .They started them , stopped them , and started them again eventually.

Re betting in running I confine my activities to specific sports where there are "natural breaks".  eg  cricket  between overs , golf  , soccer ( discounting the 10 seconds at goal kicks for instance ).  In horse racing 5 furlong sprints are useless , but 3 mile chases or hurdles afford opportunities sometimes . You cant beat the tracksiders ( I never bet in running for instance on tennis unless I suspect someone is injured ), but there are a lot of strange figures which pop up occasionally in running. People  make mistakes.   

I have posted before re avoiding premium charge , for a long number of years I would have been in the firing line , but I took a conscious decision to attempt to go negative and it worked . And you can turn a positive on here into a negative by reversing the figures using another exchange provided you time it right . Does not work all the time , but often enough to make it worth while . Golf is the easiest  , particularly towards the end of a tournament where the markets on here often go over the 100% mark and there is liquidity .  I seldom if ever  bet on womens golf  , no liquidity.

Any activity I indulge in takes time and effort , long hours and study occasionally , most shy away from that effort I suspect .  Nobody is going to put in long hours unless they have something to show at the end of it , and lots of people have jobs to do which occupies them most of the day .

Re trading on horse racing nearly every horse fluctuates by about 20% or more in the course of market movements . If you have a nose for those market movements you can most times winkle out guaranteed profit( small percentage wise) , but you need patience and time  .  Guess its akin to currency trading at which JP makes his money ( or his guys do for him ) .

As I say if I ever fall into a losing habit I will cut and run pronto . I have never been one to chase losses either , learnt that early in life ( well pre exchanges) .  There's always another race / event .

The only thing that worries me is the FPP / Official result scene , have been caught out in that situation  , but it happens seldom and I guess its swings and roundabouts which evens out in the long term .  Seldom a big worry these days as the sums involved are generally nowhere near what they used to be .

Pretty typical response Kelly.Lenghty and verbose with plenty of self praise even managing to work in a JP comparison!!

However as usual you totally failed to address the points raised.Why trade to lose money?Anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can see that you would be better off not trading at all than losing money by trading?

I repeat my earlier assertion.You have absolutely zero chance of being liable for premium charge with the betting style you have.You would be some man if you could consistently beat the odds with the bookies and also trade back on here to have potential premium charge.

But then again you are some man.

As I suspected you don't really understand what you are doing and how Betfair and it's premium charge work.

I'll give you a clue.It has nothing to do with the bet you have placed with the bookies.

You still haven't answered my question.If you trade in the anticipation of losing why trade at all?

kelly and his usual waffle, trading one minute win bets the next then back to trading cash betting for 15 years at the best prices no problem either
some man is right

Don't understand why people bother with Kelly.

Most had him pegged ages ago on here. Still spouting his same drivel.

god Ozy, you're one petty little creep.