Clonmel

It won't be Mic Milano anyway in that race,ran like a drain the other day and the 9/2 on offer is for the foolish, Ice cool looks the solid one ew in the race with the drop in trip,don't think i,ve seen as poor an 80-95 for a long time in Ireland.

What would you know about 80-95's anyway pa

I'm not i know a lot about anything to be honest Snap,what harm, the op put up an opinion about a race tomorrow if it goes ahead,just giving him my thoughts for what they are worth.
Give us the lowdown there with the 80-95's like a good man Snap,thanks.

I,m not sure ^

They wouldn't really be my forte pa, the last race at Southwell tomorrow would be more up my street

7/4 about Fortinbrass is literally Christmas come early

Don't do UK AW really,i see it handles the course and has won on it,still it is a class 6 with 9lb between the 11 runners,what justifies the 7/4?

Get stuck in pa and thank me tomorrow afternoon, and leave the bitterness to one side

dont think hes capable of it snap

Give me a reason,it was beat cl6 the last 5 times of 57-,it did have a high of 81 indeed but on current form i couldn't.

You're wanted down in the southwell special thread "the wasp",off you go.

Listen pa, I don't know if you got the memo or not, but you don't go around questioning these point and shoot jobs on the sand! You take the advice given and get rightly stuck in. Simples!

No, i got no memo,tis a very professional set up with memos and everything.

Ask no questions pa just get stuck in and get your Christmas turkey (No offence wonks)

I won't back him,good luck that do,i've time for Workrider Cr,lot of rain in Cork this evening,no surprise to see Clonmel off again.

@TheIrishField: *Turf Club News* Clonmel hurdle track now heavy (10mm rain since declaration time). Two chases ABANDONED. Chase track waterlogged in places.

I suspect if this latest Snap good thing rattles home then Xmas will be cancelled in the Lapsy household.

JOSHUA  LANE  EW NAP  3RD IN CHAMPION BUMPER  WITH LOADS MULIIPLE WINNERS BEHIND LIKE BLACK HERCULES/KILL VIC  /DEFINLTY RED AND LOADS MORE HAS GOOD EXPERIANCE OVER HURDLES IF HANDBRAKE OFF   WILL   WIN


15O   FORT CARSON EW   SAVER SKENNAA BRIDGE RAN BETTER THAN FORM LOOKS 3DAYS AGO MIGHT NEEDED THE RUN HENCE BACK OUT SO SOON 

220 SIZING ALBERTA NB       KEEP EYE OUT ON    FOR FREDDIE RAN CRACKER IN HEAVY GROUND BUMPER  SHOULD BE SCHOOLED TODAY

250 VARENNE DE VAUSELLE EW

GOOD LUCK PUNTERS

Outofcologne first run since leaving rothwell wins

Another Rothwell special
If you can get one out of his stable you are in business!!!

Cracking write up Norn, hope you stuck something on him.

2.50 silent wish for christmas

YEEHAA...................

D'ozy (@9.06), tis fine, i got 5/1 on it,enjoy your evening.

liz Doyle would surely improve one from Tinahely oj , i wondered would her training suffer with Barry Murphy leaving the fold.
Pa what did u get 5/1 about , the last winner at Clonmel ? if so well done .
Is there any significance that Jan Van Eyck travelled to Wolves today a day after John Feane had a winner , is JF pulling the string in that outfir i muse.
Pj Finn getting lucky with a few ex AP o Brien inmates lately , i always knew taking Aidan on to muck out all those years ago would pay  dividends .

Long queues forming outside SVD offices tomorrow ,Snappy burns them AGAIN.....You're the master Snappy , suck them in then take their cash , the poor Mushrooms will be out with the begging bowls this Xmas thanks to your good yourself....

Yeah CC,(2nd post on thread),got a bit better on the exchange for a few bob as well,last run he was full of runnin til weakened run in,shocking race.
Between the load of bily bigbollix ould guff on the thread,Norn had nice places and a good mention for the 33/1 winner.

good man Pa EX'S for the restive season secured , i reckon Patrick would be good company travelling home

Pa, I'd say they are to busy to reply , clogging up the Samaritans line poor things...

Workrider,they have been "lapsyed" on this thread and it was well coming to them, Thanks CC,got a kick out of this one alright,not going great for a while but sometimes when you get one tis a changer hopefully.

ah lads come on there's plenty of room for losers when you've had two big winners over the weekend (13/2) and (11/1)

Wasn't talking about you at all CR,few others had a few smart comments earlier,no sign of them.

They weren't happy putting it up one thread had to put it on another!
Well done Pa......smashes the Inner Circle to bits........

Well done Pa,never seen that till later , Snappy certainly PLUCKS them , horse that hadn't won since 2013 a point and shoot job , well I never ,shall we contribute a little of your winnings as a goodwill gesture to the poor lads...

Chimp, have a look at the Southwell thread theres a good lad , says you're going to LUMP the weekends WINNINGS ON

1 -         For Freddie     7     11-4     -     Mr E. P. O'Brien (7)
Edmond Kent, Ireland
    440 / -     321.93 / 34 (824%)     10.71

PA   WAS TOILING AS SOON AS RAIN STOPPED SO UNFORTUNATLY MISSED FOR FREDDIE SOME SP 321/1

HOPE SUMONE MAYBE HAD FEW £ ON ?

STRANGE HOW FAV  WAS UNSEATED AS THE OTHER HORSE DIDNT CARRY IT OUT ?


ID LOVE SEE HOW MUCH WAS BET ON FOR FREEDDIE AT THEM PRICES

Fortinbrass was a non trier when he did win in 2013 , Miss Amy Weaver now working as as a croupier trained him for one run , he was to be sent to the US to run under the North Star Racing banner of which a rotund irish on course bookmaker was a shareholder ... they just forgot to apply the handbrake fools just like anybody backing him today

Tyto alba.

A most extraordinary race for the qualified riders maiden hurdle.

NORN IRON used his trusty formula to unearth a 33/1 winner.

Never saw two horses **** their jaw independently of each other.
The start is very close to the stables and Sizing Alberta was first to **** his jaw this was followed by A Toi Phil copying him and taking out the entirely innocent Paper Lantern who lost the guts of a furlong.

Paper Lantern and Sizing Alberta continued in hopeless pursuit,they both caught up with the field but Sizing Alberta quickly capitulated,Paper Lantern kept going and ran an extraordinary race,he eventually finished third behind For Freddie.

For Freddie is out of that lovely race mare Generosa owned by Timmy Hyde,I think Edmond Kent trains in his old stable.

Generosa won a famous long distance handicap hurdle in Cheltenham at big odds,it was famous for nearly killing Freddie Williams.
JP had a horse In it Shannon Gale,trained by Christy Roche and ridden by a young Fran Berry,Freddie bet him a hundred grand each way at 7 or 8/1,I think Freddie took a bit of a turn during the race.
Shannon Gale finished fourth yielding a loss of either 75 or a 100 grand to Freddie despite getting him beat.

Wonky your too easily upset and take the bait way too easily chill out man
At least pa and the wildman know there racing and don't just try sound clever

SEETHING....

I must say that it was an unusual chain of events, that Sizing Alberta is one of the biggest yokes in training. A long as it  has a hole in arse, he will never win any kind of a maiden hurdle or chase, in fact id be surprised if he ever won anything.
Paper Lantern  is a yak and he was murdered in that melee initially, now ok he set off about 10 or 12 lengths in front of Sizing but he finished up about 40 ahead of him.
Maybe im pocket talking but i thought it was a particularly poor effort in the saaddle from Mullins, i couldnt see the same thing happening Ruby Walsh.

Agree with ye there mincer, he could have set off after them but couldn't bother his arse, he thinks he's above that sort of thing, ye could see him looking then just say to himself "fcuk that" the fact he got unseated in the first place was hilarious in itself.

Is Paper Lantern a yak ?
I know when horses look unlucky they generally get beaten next timeout.

I accept the odds on shot unseated his rider but the form of some of the others wasn't that bad.
Presentingoscar had won his bumper,Lets High Five It had a sprinkling of form,On De Ball and Paper Lantern had both won their point to point.

I can't remember a horse losing that amount of ground and running so well.

I think Paper Lantern will have no problem winning a maiden hurdle.

Presentingoscar hit evens ir, don't ask me how,
Wildman your opinion on the King George please and who will win it

listen to the seether^^^^

SMAD PLACE  MUST GO CLOSE AT KEMPTON IMO

I didnt like Vautours come back run,don't accept he was lacking in fitness.
Never a fan of Don Cossack

Best form is the Hennessey form so I would give a tentative vote for Smad Place 9/1 each way

Agree norn some round of jumping he put in in the Hennessy, it was a joy to watch, has he got the class of the don and vautour though?
I think there a class apart myself, Cue Card couldn't win this in his prime hardly gonna be good enough now,Silviniaco was very disappointing lto I think he's had enough, the rest don't count, I think Vautour will have too much class for them, don't really understand why road to riches is 25/1 he won't be good enough to win but 25s is an insult.
1.Vautour
2.Don Cossack
3.Smad Place

Cossack is too short imho. When you look at his list of victims who hes beaten into 2nd, they include Texas Jack, Rocky Creek, Roi du Mee, Boston Bob, Loosen my Load and Wonderful Charm. They would triple figures in any King George.

I dont see any obvious excuse for his Ryanair defeat and I'm wary of taking Punchestown festival form at face .

Agree rq, just too short for me, the value is most definitely road to riches, is he an intended runner?

Good Norn,thought you might have.
Policy before with Giggy was to keep RTR and Don apart,i don't know myself regarding plans but maybe RTR will defend the Lexus,i say hold off til tis confirmed as i would be surprised if it isn't Leopardstown, probably worth keeping an eye on Storm Eva with the Irish runners as well,don't know when they are supposed to travel over but it could be bumpy.
Hard race,doubt i'll have a bet on it,was impressed with Cue card last time but a likely different Vautour and hard to knock Don(accept the 2nds above),i couldn't have a strong opinion.

RTR Lexus and don will have to be on top form to beat him

Ah Don certainly has an excuse for the Ryanair RQ.

He wasn't great at 6 out, then nodded on landing which caused him to lose track position just as AP was turning the screw in front. He was in the ideal spot before that. As the pace had just lifted it took time and considerable energy to get right back into contention two out. He was alongside John Spirit going into that, but was squeezed out and basically landed on top of the fence. By the time Cooper reorganised him, he was now 5 lengths behind JS. Given his momentum into that fence, it is fair to say he would now have been at least a length up on Johns Spirit by this stage. That's not only 6 lengths, but also the stuffing knocked out of him with the error.

All in all, he was certainly the best horse in the race, and defeat can be easily excused. And how people can use that run to say he doesn't act at Chelt is quite comical.

All that said, he is short enough at the moment for the KG. Coneygree coming out wont have helped his cause, though it will have decreased his price. Coney would have ensured a proper gallop, though I imagine Smad Place will now take up that role. Don jumps better off faster fractions, and certainly wouldn't want it to be a speed test.

If Ruby was desperate to lead, Vautour is obviously a faster horse, and could lead, but that would be folly as would stretch Vautours stamina. Smad Place jumping in the Hennessy was a joy to behold, so sitting behind him rather that eye ball him will be the plan.

Rubys interview after Ascot told a lot I thought. He may have expected better that day, but when the KG was mentioned the eyes lit up again. I know he really believes in this horse, and I still think he is the one to beat.

Yes, maybe it will be proved on Saturday that he is better left handed, but I don't think a relatively goodish ground 3 mile around Kempton will prove too far. There is nothing in this field that has the explosivity to do what he has done at the last two festivals.

Cue Card has long been one of my favourites. Having got word for him on debut, I had a small few quid on him in the Champion Bumper. His win in the Ryanair was an absolute sight, and his two wins this year suggest he may be better than ever. He looked to have Sil Conti cold in the KG two years ago, until something happened. It wasn't stamina, as he ran on again from the back of the last. His problems seem ironed out, and he now seems amenable to settling.

An absolute belter of a race. I still think the value lies with Vautour. The KG is still a speed test for stayers, and he could just be what Ruby thinks.....the next Kauto.

Bring it on!!

He shouldn't fall off this one so. The race is too prestigious.

callitasucit
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Cue Card has long been one of my favourites. Having got word for him on debut, I had a small few quid on him in the Champion Bumper. His win in the Ryanair was an absolute sight, and his two wins this year suggest he may be better than ever. He looked to have Sil Conti cold in the KG two years ago, until something happened. It wasn't stamina, as he ran on again from the back of the last. His problems seem ironed out, and he now seems amenable to settling.


Aftertiming really is an art form on the Irish forum

^^^^^^I also lost money overall on said Champion Bumper.

can none of us ever mention previous bets without being accused of aftertiming?..callit was analyising a race and mentioned having a small bet on cue card when he won chelt bumper as he backed him on his debut??(he obviously like the horse)  sad on here at times...  if you mention past losing bets is that also aftertiming?

Well said kavvie, places id riddled with begrudgers and bitterness.

*is

Nonsense kavvie (probably as you have a history of aftertiming too), whether he backed the horse or not on debut or in the Champion bumper should have zero bearing on his analysis of the King George about 6 or so years later, he said Cue Card has long been one of my favourites, could have left it there without putting in the winning bets.

And I am no bugrudger, what you win or lose has no bearing at all on my life, what I win or lose does. All I did was pointing out aftertiming winning bets I would say about 6 years on for what reason as there was no need. Callitasucit has since said he lost on the race not that it really matters as no idea why he posted about the bets in the first palce.

If it has no bearing on your life why comment on it then?

so tell me this..in an ideal forum world none of us can ever recall or mention past winning bets?  whats the logic there please?..

Should say I read and thought his analysis of the race was good bar that

So everything you reply to on here has a bearing on your life Cheltenham Roar

i agree the value is with vautour at the prices.  i may or may not have backed him before!!

kavvie
Vautour will hack up and will be 3/1 fav for the gold cup

Lads lets be honest here.  Cue Card hasnt got a prayer in the KG and is a great lay.  He has had many chances in this race and failed every time.  What's changed this year other than he has a total mouthpiece on his back. 
Personally cant see Vatour beaten.  Complete garbage being spouted by all about jumping right.  Loved his run in Ascot and there is no doubt about his stamina juding by the Ascot run.  Would love Ruby to smash out and make all.

Eh jumping left.......

Come on easy let's have your prediction before the race

any vatour backers its 100/30 with will hill r4 may apply