Teelin Star is some yoke , mother of Jesus , what a slow coach he is. It's hard to see him winning any kind of a race , as it's hard to believe he will ever find a weaker event . I'm ashamed to say I backed it myself, had a bad day also Dan but when your punting portfolio includes Pat Hughes Colm Murphy Mouse Morris and Sean Byrne, then you are really asking for trouble. What in the love of Jesus ever happened Colm Murphy, it's not long ago he was winning champion hurdles and champion chases, now you wouldn't back his with confidence in a 7 yo and upwards maiden in Kinsale

It hardly went unnoticed.
Pa Lapsy and Kavvie were publicly bathing their feet and lord knows who else was feeding.

I can't agree the holy grail for a gambler is guaranteed profit,that is the holy grail of the risk averse.
Where is the pleasure in risk free gambling.

If I had my way the risk averse merchants would pay higher commission,leaving the risk takers commission free.

I said virtually unnoticed. The amount matched could have been matched by a relatively small number of people drip feeding bets into the system.
It must have gone virtually unnoticed on the forum as the normal inane postings when someone puts up a winner is absent.Maybe those who took advantage of the error are not posters  of the booooooooooooom type.
I think wildman you misunderstand what happened.What you refer to as risk free gambling is not actually risk free at all.In the vast majority of instances the trader can only green up when the market moves in the direction he thinks it will.If it moves the wrong way he is left in a loss\loss position.The ability to read the market correctly is a hugely valuable and underrated skill and enables a punter to optimise his profit.
This instance could best be described as a bookmaker betting over broke.Guaranteeing a profit was one way of taking advantage of it but equally a person could keep backing his fancy and end up with 11\4 about a 6\4 shot.

a few items,

glad some of you took advantage of real free money.....Wildman, I have no problem bleeding a bot, they are the jackals of this exchange and deserve the odd fleecing.

few items on Thurles

teelin star...his two pointing wins were freakish, I recall seeing the banned vet trying to get as much on as possible the first day at Kilworth. I know for a fact weld had put together an owners syndicate to buy him for 400k as a gold cup horse, even worked him on the old vic gallops with his rider atop. at the very last minute with the money in place, weld got cold feet. hard to say if teelin will ever win another race.

I did have a good punt on mall dini.....listening to chapman on atr he was prattling on about Haymount as a sure thing...why I just don't know.....he was a drifter at Tipp when winning a poor bumper and he placed second to an ordinary stablemate last time. those two runs were at 2 miles, and now all of a sudden he jumps to practically 3 miles against a proper stayer in mall dini. at 2 miles there may have been some justification for Haymount as a 1/2 shot, at 3 miles he represented a huge risk. once mincers pal was prepared to have a go on mall dini then he was a 6/4 shot in my book, the 6/1 on here was a premium price.

alas I did return some in the bumper. I had been told by the workrider that the Harrington runner rode like a slow yak in a schooling race a few weeks ago, as Wildman says "bubbly" confirmed this and those that I know in the stable were expecting little..i place laid it for  3 and 4 places and the rest is history. the runner up will improve a deal for the run and will be a  fair horse on nicer ground. I would remain sceptical on the winner and will be seeking to lay him at a future date to retrieve losses.

finally more free money tonight......first race at Lingfield tomorrow, the tissue fav is out...again the reconstructed market is offering value prices on the three that count...

.my idea of the sps are sherwoods 6/4, whos mickey brown 9/4, and western w 10/3....the latter may drift as newlands horses are sick......you can freely punt danvinnie(sherwoods) at 3.2 and Whos Mickey at 3/1......the santa bot is offering more goodies, naturally if you check the volume, you may note I have taken my fill....if you missed out last night, do take advantage this time.

....and a happy Christmas to one and all.

My turnover at Thurles for last 5 years on Betfair
Horse Racing
Country    Horse Racing Track    Vol (GBP)    Comm (GBP)    Net P&L (GBP)
IRE    Thurl                    £27,896.62    £117.83            £1,282.32

By the way there obviously not very bright down at Jessie's what was the name of the other bumper horse who hacked up on debut unbacked too, something with an Oscar in the name since been stuffed in a winners bumper

That's the one wildman, he's by Oscar though that's where the Oscar reference came from, well that's even worse so as he's clearly a very decent horse and they didn't know what they had, I doubt new to this town will be in the same league, that bumper didn't look up to much, I'd be a layer next time depending on price, but Jesse does ok with bumper debutants, she'd one of the first I'd look out for after the obvious Mullins and Elliot,
Meade not in the same league anymore.

Ozy asks the wildman did he see wonky at the meeting. The wildman ignores the question and rambles on. Now we all know the wonk hangs on his cyber friends every word, and made a considerable journey to Thurles in the, more than hopeful, opportunity of meeting his hero.
What does the wildman do? He totally snubs poor wonky yet AGAIN. Shameful behaviour.
And after "napping" the 2-5 shot Haymount, he then tells us he went off him!!! Great after timing.
Then wonky leaves before the bumper after harping on about Merry Night! Would you leave a football match with 10 minutes to go wonks?
Honestly, it's just as well these 2 sharp minds didn't meet........

The first in Lingfield provided an interesting insight into the merits of greening up or not.Having no opinion on the race I merely followed KL's views.I backed the 2 he was leaning towards for the majority of what I could get on and had a saver on Westren Warrior.I logged on 10 minutes before the race and both my main bets were trading marginally above the odds I had backed them at.However I had backed Westren Warrior  at 4.5 and was able to lay it off at 2.48.I ended up with no profit/loss on the winner and the rest of the field with a decent profit if either of the 2 main fancies won.No damage done.
The day before I had greened up all round with a decent profit.

Some would have made plenty on Mystic Sky but lost today.

However the moral of the story is if you get opportunities like the last 2 days you simply have to play.Its your attitude towards risk that should determine how you play.It was Keen Leader's eye on the ball which highlighted it.

Thick ,did ya read that in the mirror ... Chimp getting mixed up with Walshs getting weight in a h/cap ,telling us the bumper winner would not be 8s for long , how right the lad was there, its was nearly 20/1 on here , then blames his informer ffs , Laurl and Hardy the pair of them.....

Good man wonks chelt puts up monster winner and you have a pop with this being your analysis
My last visit to a race course before Leopardstown, a relaxing journey at this time of year.
We'll start with the 1.40. Here I like Myztique , she ran in a very good Navan listed race with the winner been very highly thought of, never looked to get in a blow but ran on well towards finish not been hard push into the bargain ,I think they knew what they were taking on there , Monbeg Rose looked like one to take on after her last run, ungainly head carraige and looked for all the world as if it was all a bit much for her ,even with improvement from that yard  I'd be happy to go against her...
Daliyan is my choice in the 2.10, I like this ones attitude and its last run was full of promise with Barry aboard looks worth a punt. Just Cause is a promising young who will be better over fences , but again he is one whos attitude I like and having run here before , always a good thing, I'll give him the nod . Finally to round things off its Merry Night in the bumper , not only is it a topical tip but I feel punters will be stepping Merrily into the Thurles night after this result...

There is no doubt you are not the fizziest can in the fridge wonks but having a go off someone who has been banging in winners left right and centre, while you have put up loser after loser takes some doing.

"poor card,you'd have to be a problem gambler to have a bet there tomorrow" were cheltenhambores first words on the thread...is it safe to assume he didnt back the horse he had "word" for or maybe he considers himself a problem gambler

Top stuff Chelt, 2 monster priced winners over the weekend

Mincer 16.43,"it would be lovely if it was allowed"
Good idea why you said that however the daq actually took a bit to a tick less/same night befores mightn't always be the case but it was in fairnes for Fakenham. Given that over 70% of all bets through this exchange are bot it is a staggering number and has deviated from peer to peer in no uncertain terms in recent times.
The daq has been the "daddy" in bot terms probably since its inception,it is possible to play them(both exch) off each other though the daq takes a dim view of a little bit of the ould manipulation however.
Most likely it was an extremely greedy betfair bot that didn't get it right,why should the customer be winning when they are holding the funds.

Cheers snap, I'm just happy I made you lads a few quid too, always good to return a favour

Mall dini gets a mark of 129.Will be hard to win a handicap off that mark.Sunday must have been the day.