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22 Nov 15 10:32
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I know, but got this feeling that today could be a good day for JP at Navan.Technically not well thought out I know, but do you ever get one of those days that somethings gonna go right. Well today might be one of those days and its not going to cost me much, 300e in total for a days racing seems reasonable. So I'll start with 50 on Coney Island 12.40.Followed by 50 Falcon Crest, 50 Riverside City , 50 Childrens List  just in case Willie has a second winner ,50 Park Ranger and to round off the afternoon 50 on Kalopsia in the bumper, as I said pure folly ....

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By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 22 Nov 15 10:57
Wouldn't put u off many of them with exception of Children's list and bumper house.
Think Woodland opera is a real decent sort and am hoping it finishes second or third today and will then win at Christmas!
By:
Swardean
When: 22 Nov 15 11:29
Rare irish bet for me but just thought that Moylisha Tim could have been slightly overlooked in the Grade 2 hurdle.   Despite the penalty, I have been quite impressed by him and at 10/1, thought he may be the value.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 11:37
Workrider you are onto something but I think you’ve left out the most likely one of all.

It was almost an unfortunate start to Roll It Out’s career that he made a winning debut over hurdles in Down Royal (much to my personal chagrin as I thumped the runner up). This left him having run against far more experienced rivals for quite a while. He was left find his feet in handicaps and put in two good runs last Spring before a poor run in Punchestown. His seasonal debut was eye catching and he has likely been primed for today’s race with everything looking in his favour. He will take all the beating.

The opening race provides us with a look at two lovely big boats of horses in Potters Point and Woodland Opera. I would say both horses will be better again in a years time over fences but should pay their way in staying novice hurdles. I’ll be looking for a good run (first half dozen or so) from Bobo Mac before he turns up for a maiden hurdle in Limerick at Christmas. He’ll make a better jumper than bumper horse.

Over in Uttoxeter, Jac The Legend seeks to defy a rise from his win in Sedgefield. He has a real gallopers profile (along with an old school UK stayers pedigree) and looks like he is really coming to himself. He takes a drop in trip but the long straight will hopefully compensate. He gets a big weight concession from the main rivals and he can take this contest.
By:
norn iron
When: 22 Nov 15 11:43
GOOD LUCK YOU LEFT OUT JPS CERT  ROLL IT OUT Whoops

COMNEY ISLAND

COGRYHILL  EW SAVER HEATHFIELD 

CROWDED ROOM /LILSHANE

EMIRE OF DIRT  SAVER DROMREA   REV4CAST

ROLL IT OUT TODAY CERT Whoops  FINE RIGHTLY IS WEL IN OVER HURDLES  COULD BE GRADE ONE HORSE THIS YEAR

PRIDE OF THE BRRAID /UNDISPUTED EW

GOOD LUCK PUNTERS
By:
norn iron
When: 22 Nov 15 11:48
THINK 4/1 ROLL IT OUT IS CERT EW  THINK GO OFF 2/1 

UTOXXETER

TARA ROYAL/CARRON SIDNEY/LITTLE BOY BORU
By:
Swardean
When: 22 Nov 15 11:55
Gary O'Brien is normally spot on with the Elliot stable.  Interestingly in his column he has put up Prince of Scars rather than Roll It Out
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 12:03
Diversion tactics Swardean! Prince of Scars is a smashing horse. Really caught the eye in the ring in Leopardstown the day he won. He actually found himself in the same scenario as Roll It Out in that he had to run against much more experiences horses for the rest of the year after winning on hurdling debut. He was good in Clonmel but it’ll take a fair performance to win as a 5yo off top weight. Roll It Out looks to have plenty in hand off his mark and has much more valuable handicap experience than Prince of Scars.

14 runner handicaps aren’t good each way races Norn. You’d be as well off driving on straight.
By:
Swardean
When: 22 Nov 15 12:06
Best of Luck TellTheKing
By:
newapproach
When: 22 Nov 15 12:10
Loyalty card has it all to do against older horses as a four year old filly but I still can resist backing her as she looked so impressive @ Listowel. She was given a lot of quiest runs during the summeer and was very easy in the betting on a few occasions but I think she has a lot in hand off this mark. She relishes soft ground and seems a strong stayer and will hopefully win again today.
By:
frank60
When: 22 Nov 15 12:16
J.P. sure helps a lot of trainers to keep there heads above water;he has 5 runners alone in Douvan race, Im not sure if Coney Island can beat the top 2 W/R but he should be placed .
By:
Swardean
When: 22 Nov 15 13:16
WD workrider that is one in, mine got pestered up front which didn't help him.
By:
p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y
When: 22 Nov 15 13:18
Had 2 good bets today, Crown Pleasure @ 10s e/w in the 1:40 and Prince Of Scars @ 6s e/w and 7.8 on here
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 13:39
Russian Bill....... (3.10) should appreciate the extra yardage more than most......... always had this fellow down as a horse that would appreciate a trip over hurdles. Wasn`t able to go with them the last day but was finishing best of all and if anyway near them at the business end he could out battle most of these. Roll It Out, seems to hold a bit back when push comes to shove and is one to take on.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 13:55
Good man Easy. A pre-race selection. What’s rare is wonderful as they say. Think he’s handicapped to be competitive but may lack the class to collect. Good luck with him anyway.
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 14:04
He has the class to win a race of this nature for sure his early bumper form against decent animals was solid.... I`m sure connections have been disappointed with him, but I saw enough the last day that he can win or close today. I did him e/way @ 6/1
By:
huddys
When: 22 Nov 15 14:50
Great tipping workrider a couple of nice winners so far for you,
By:
frank60
When: 22 Nov 15 14:54
Riverside City 8/1 nice one W/RHappy DIDN,T BACK IT SadMYSELF
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 15:28
Wow.... how did that happen....... the two horses that had a bit to find...... (i.e Class, Weight) finished in front of Roll It Out......
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 15:35
You are truly magnanimous Easy - that’s always a sign of a fella that does well punting. Never put out by what others have to say. Well done on also calling the winner as the danger horse in the race. I’m sure you were so afraid of him that your bet was without the winner.

In fairness Russian Bill should have won. If he hadn’t hit the front so early the winner wouldn’t have had anything to get a lead from.
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 15:41
No TTK, u put Bill and Scars away too easily .... how u did I will never know......... And how you taught Roll had so much in hand I will never know...
Nothing wrong backing horses in 14 runner handicaps when you can`t see them out of the first three......
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 15:42
eway??
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 15:56
I said he is a good horse but it would be tough for a 5yo to win a graded handicap off top weight. Especially coming quite soon after his Clonmel and only one previous handicap run. You either fancy a horse or you don’t. I note he didn’t feature in your pre-race comments. Given your obvious bullishness about him post race how he didn’t get a mention i will never know. Similar to how you called Leave At Dawn a dog when I said he was gone by in Killarney. No evidence of it of course. Guessing???? Mmmm????

Do a quick tot on the each way over round on that race. 13-15 runner races are almost always unappealing each way races due to the overrounds. That’s not an opinion, just basic maths. Worked out today if you backed those at the front of the market but unsustainable long term.

To borrow a phrase from Barney Curley, you’re a farce Easy.
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 16:08
A farce....... It kills u that you can`t dominant the forum the way u are trying against other guys that don`t do the racing as much as you..... Just needed to put u down a peg or two.....

Eh, I didn`t say every race I bet e/way in 14-runner handicaps.... I get 6/1 and this particular race I thought he should be in the first three barring mishaps..... not all 14-runner races are the same...... So I make a small profit...... look at all the guys who lost if they went WIN..... Every race is different..... Who is talking long term....... in this contest it looked that a couple had a chance...
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 22 Nov 15 16:15
Well done Workrider and Easygold. Roll It Out curled up at the death a nice lay, i'd say he went low IR, and almost wiped out 16 of Snaps 4/6 naps (if they all won!) in one bet with Russian Bill...
TTK you were all about Roll It On, Easygold said he was one to take on. You came up short man, don't see how you can call Easygold a farce after that exchange, plus Russian Bill.
Your excuses previously was Easygold never puts up before the race. It's well known his first responsibilty is to his subscribers.
So he put up before the race and showed his true colours. Then you start talking about, oh it was a bad race to bet on mathematically.
Your excuses are weak TTK.
I'm sure there will be days when you will come out on top as well. But that was impressive from Easygold whatever way you slice it.
By:
snap crackle and pop
When: 22 Nov 15 16:20
Ultra impressive RogerGob, a 6/1 shot placed! Where do I sign up!? Phantom tipster.com?
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 22 Nov 15 16:37
Getting one placed would be like Christmas for you snap. Odds-on shots that can't even get placed? Elltaaf??
I advised it the day before cause it was price rick???LaughLaugh
You think your picks are the only ones that are price ricks the day before??LaughLaugh
Get into bed snap. Can't even make your own picks???
Sitting around by the phone waiting to be told what to back....LaughLaugh
The Derek Thompson of the Irish Forum....
I was out talking to Hugo Palmer today and he says this is a lovely filly.....blah, blah, blah....
By:
Swardean
When: 22 Nov 15 16:42
Don't see the need for the animosity that creeps in on this forum.  It was a decent thread with people putting forward their views pre-race.  They have been a few winners and a few places.  If a selections at a reasonable price gets within a length of the winner, then it's not too bad a pick imo.  They can't all win.   Where did the gamble on Baraque Style come from?
By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 16:46
It`s not all about the selection, but it`s way he put down the other two.......... to say Roll had plenty in hand was WRONG.... way wrong.. (i said he is a nice horse..... Bill not classy enough) Blah, Blah......... TTK..... those are the comments that I hate..... u said Class for a horse not to win a weak handicap...... this horse was able to run close to the classy Tycoon Prince. Just guessing comments I hate.....
By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 22 Nov 15 17:01
Easygold you are a spoofer! Same goes for the majority on here.
By:
Swardean
When: 22 Nov 15 17:08
Fair point, perhaps betfair should add "IMHO" to the end of every post
By:
never give up
When: 22 Nov 15 17:10

Nov 22, 2015 -- 4:37PM, Roger De Bris wrote:


Getting one placed would be like Christmas for you snap. Odds-on shots that can't even get placed? Elltaaf?? I advised it the day before cause it was price rick???You think your picks are the only ones that are price ricks the day before??Get into bed snap. Can't even make your own picks???Sitting around by the phone waiting to be told what to back....The Derek Thompson of the Irish Forum....I was out talking to Hugo Palmer today and he says this is a lovely filly.....blah, blah, blah....


LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh

By:
easygold
When: 22 Nov 15 17:15

Nov 22, 2015 -- 5:01PM, Bigwillystyle wrote:


Easygold you are a spoofer! Same goes for the majority on here.


Fair enough... good luck to you all......... Merry Xmas

By:
workrider
When: 22 Nov 15 17:44
A very good crowd attened today, nice atmosphere and well behaved into the bargain, some nice horses on show,hope fully someone picked out the QUIET ride today, nearly missed it myself it was that sutble . Pity the thread turned into a battle of the egos .
By:
snap crackle and pop
When: 22 Nov 15 17:51
Well done workrider, 2 nice priced winners
By:
TellTheKing
When: 22 Nov 15 17:59
Roger I think you’ll find that I commended Easy for putting forward the selection pre-race, gave my view on Russian Bill and then commiserated post race after he had been rather unlucky with the way the race unfolded. He then proceeded to go off and tangentially aftertime the winner and slaughter my selection. I believed Roll It Out was quite well treated, the best handicapped horse in the race. Unfortunately I was incorrect. I spent two hours around Dublin last night drip punting him at 6’s. If I continue to thump 6/1 shots that return 7/2 I’ll be doing just fine. I also won’t be giving up on Roll It Out. I have a nice 2m5f race with Kennedy / Dempsey aboard in Limerick at Christmas in mind for him. Hopefully Frank thinks likewise.

Easy you have an amazing ability to be consistently inconsistent. You were giving it large about not using bumper form to assess jumps races yesterday. Then you throw it out that RB ran close behind Tycoon Prince, conveniently omitting that he just made the running in a four runner crawl where they finished in a heap. Also, you say there’s nothing wrong with punting horses e/w in 14 runner races if you think it will be placed. When the mathematical flaw in this strategy was pointed out you switched to saying no-one was talking about the long term. This is clearly not what you were saying originally. I have seen you regularly pontificate about betting all being about the long term ("Your P/L will be fine” etc. etc.). It’s certainly easier to make money backing 1/2 shots that are available at 5/6 than going each way in 14 runner handicaps. Racing and punting are all about the long run as everyone knows. I certainly won’t be losing any sleep after having a losing day.

Noted a few quiet rides today WR. Didn’t think the Monksfield was great race beforehand but Falcon’s Crest did it well. He’s not one for real deep ground but has plenty of races in him.

Swardean I’m not sure was it much of a punt on Baroque Style. I’d largely contribute it to a consequence of there being no real confidence in anything else. Wouldn’t have backed him myself but he was at least an in form horse from a hot stable at Elliot’s local track.
By:
pa lapsy
When: 22 Nov 15 18:08
Goodday for yourself Workrider fair play,Loyalty Card was out fora Gallop IMHO
By:
workrider
When: 22 Nov 15 18:19
Thanks for the kind words lads.Noted 3 trainers outside the weighroom cosing up to a prominent bookmaker . It could only happen here.
By:
Bigwillystyle
When: 22 Nov 15 18:21
Pa I have said before that all horses need a sin in a handicap first time. Loyalty Card no different. Agreed wasn't off a yard. Ruby yanking at reins while pretending to give it a slap on d neck! Had 3 schools over hurdles before they decided to win d maiden
By:
pa lapsy
When: 22 Nov 15 18:26
No flies on him though, he went and reported that LC "hung right" (post race normal) twas all mockyna but looked terrible to me anyway.
W£asn't it you BWS that kept flagging Riverside City?.
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