€65 million development plan for the Curragh

Deja vu

It won't be benchmarked against anything without sectional timing.

Used to to the Curragh every meeting but not anymore. Its a very cold spot even in the summer and it will be colder if that new stand is anything to go by. That roof wont give much cover when the wind is blowing. Unless of course one is in one of the boxes behind the glass.

... used to go to ...

That roof will be off with the first strong wind.
Do ordinary racegoers not get stand cover?

JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it. Great contribution for the industry but should the normal punter greet it with enthusiasm?

A new stand for the punters but I would prefer an improvement in the impartial stewarding of for example fillies pattern races.

The untouchables just become more untouchable (if that's possible)

Hopefully masterchefs are retained, a really excellent catering company.

Do Masterchefs look after the loos their as well as the catering?

Never heard an Irishman use that gentile expression for a toilet.

Hope they have a kennel for that fussy Alsatian.

All now seem to watch the racing on either the giant screens or TVs so don't see the need for these huge elaborate grandstands.

'Toilet' is a ghastly word and should be avoided.  I believe the Middletons were almost shown the door at The Palace for using the term.  'Loo' is rather Middle Class.  I use the term 'lavatory' and suggest that the forum adopts it as standard.

Dan, was forced to sample the grub at a grade 1 track within the last month.
Was very hungry so I had little choice and it truly was an unforgettable experience . Without hesitation I would say it was the worst meal I've had this century, and it was a rob too for the shiite that I got.
Had a glance at the fare in Punchestown  at the last  two day meeting , the sausages were bigger than John Holmes, and he had a serious weapon.

JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it.

Fawning over a couple of tax exiles who have done precious little for Irish racing. Maybe, if they paid their taxes in this country, like most decent Irishmen, the government would be able to refurbish every racetrack in the country.

Oct 28, 2015 -- 11:59PM, The Gotchee wrote:

JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it.Fawning over a couple of tax exiles who have done precious little for Irish racing. Maybe, if they paid their taxes in this country, like most decent Irishmen, the government would be able to refurbish every racetrack in the country.

Another illiterate cretin who can't comprehend elementary English.

JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it. Great contribution for the industry but should the normal punter greet it with enthusiasm?

A new stand for the punters but I would prefer an improvement in the impartial stewarding of for example fillies pattern races.

The untouchables just become more untouchable (if that's possible)

How could anyone interpret the above as fawning, surely it's over cynical or indeed even harsh?

Only one Gotcheee that's for sure!

Landed

Landed my eye.

You're the thickest yoke on here without a doubt.

Galileo has never produced a decent miler, FRANKEL

Only one Gotcheeeeeee, a grade one bellend if there ever was one

Frankel was a freak, no doubt about that but his optimum trip was 1m 2f.
Give me 5 top class milers (not two year olds) Galileo has produced.
I know you have difficulty with dyscalculia but use the 5 fingers on your hand, that might help.
I know you are still hurting over the Doncaster Thread but try and put that behind you.

You're an imbecile and very few on here bother with you in the slightest (presume that you're used to people ignoring you in the real world too)

Here's your post

In fairness, he is a good stallion but has he ever produced a decent sprinter/ miler? Plenty go the national  hunt route and as you can see from the leger entries he will create a record this year for a stallion by supplying the most progeny  in the oldest classic. Nothing to write home about.

Now if you don't think FRANKEL was a decent miler then you really are beyond help.

There’s no point going down the rabbit hole with The Gotchee. He came back after making the above post (possibly the most idiotic in the history of the forum) that only pure milers counted. Therefore, a horse like Frankel who won over further doesn’t count. There was a list a mile long of Galileo sired Group One winners posted on the other thread. Apparently they were also discounted for not being single distance freaks.

I also don’t know how anyone could argue 10f was his optimum trip. He ran 14 times with a dozen of those between 7f & 1m. His final two races where over 10f. His best run in any money was the Queen Anne in which he dismissed a top class Excelebration  with incredible ease.

Answer the question that was posed. No one doubting the ability of Franlel but his optimum distance was 1m 2F. Still you avoid the question that was posed.
Name 5 top class 3 year old plus milers he has produced?
Another easy question which will further embellish the point I am trying to make.
What is the average winning distance of the progeny of Galileo?
Call me all the names you like but at the end of the day, you know you have lost the argument when you start the personal abuse.

Good Night

You are out of your depth TelltheKing. You would be better off going to bed. Unless, you can answer the questions posed?

Has there ever been a stallion to produce 5 individual Group 1 winning milers at 3 yrs and upward? Galileo is there off the top of my head, I can't think of any other, not in the time I'm following Racing anyway. It's a phenomenally high level to attain. Maybe Saddlers Wells did it?

Could see Dubawi doing it maybe. Read somewhere that Coolmore have even started buying a few of his.

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/coolmore-splash-out-for-well-bred-dubawi-filly/1968065/

Ah s hit, think I say somwhere as well that the dam Loveisallyouneed was one that this guy Richard Henry (works in Coolmore advertising) should never have parted with in the first place when he sold her to Newsells. It was this element rather than Dubawi that led them to go all out for the filly foal.

Gotchee you seem confused. No-one really considers Galileo to be a miler sire. He’s a middle distance stallion based on his pedigree and track record. Most of his offspring are bred to be middle distance horses. However, he is such a phenomenal sire that he has thrown umpteen Group One winners over a mile despite how you try and discredit this known fact.

People have taken umbrage with you because, in the haste of making yet another rant about Coolmore, you threw out an instant classic as far as idiotic statements go. Instead of being man enough to admit your error you continued to sail forth, couching your argument via non sensical parameters. Anyone with a brain cell can see you backed yourself into a corner and it’s been almost embarrassing watching you try to squirm your way out via an array of bolshy statements and emoticons. You ain’t fooling anyone though.

Tell the King and dj876 one and the same person?
Both very angry and abusive.
Both out of their depth.

Actually, they are both intelligent and perceptive.  And as you said yourself, just yesterday; 'you know you have lost the argument when you start the personal abuse'

Oh dear the gobshee trying to knock frankel and galileo.  I have heard it all now

You must be very sensitive Gotchee. I would say my two posts were very fair and measured. I also dissected your statement on Galileo rather than attacking you personally. Don't see any abuse in the contents of my posts.

I have seen you repeatedly revert to the same stock response (i.e. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong / All posters that disagree with you are the one person). It's remarkable that someone old enough to hold an online betting account can be so dim.

To answer your query on the G man, the following are five horse who produced top class form over one mile as 3yo's (this is not to say they were pure milers, I hope you can appreciate the difference) 1) Frankel 2) Gleneagles 3) Magician 4) Rip Van Winkle 5) Lush Lashes.

No top class dedicated miler in that list.
Try again.
You conveniently swerved my other question.
Just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't give you the right to turn into a bully.
HGD

There are very very few top class 'dedicated trip' horses Gotchee.

It could only be viewed as a negative if they were that one dimensional. Frankel was a top class miler. He had two runs over further, one beating a rival that was nowhere near his league and in the other his class got him home against CDA. He was certainly more impressive over a mile. On numerous occasions.

Moving the goalposts to 'dedicated' milers is utter boll*x.

As is your usual retort when you have no sensible reply to an argument which put you to the wall....."they must be the same person".

Think I'll get off the train here Gotchee. My shoes are far too nice to get covered in dirt standing beside you digging the hole even deeper.

There is ample evidence on this thread of what kind of brainpower you possess. Takes a certain kind of person to make the argument you've made. I am genuinely flummoxed how can you reconcile making the assertion that horses like the five I listed (all proven Group One horses over a mile) don't count because they were capable of performing to an equal standard over 10f-12f. As Callit says, it should be seen as a positive that they are adaptable.

I have no idea what the average winning distance of Galileo is. I expect somewhere in the region of 10f-12f. This is a complete non sequitur though in relation to your original statement.

I would say there isn't a stallion in the UK or Ireland that has sired what you would term five dedicated Group One milers with the only one coming close being Dubawi (I wouldn't count that bandit racing in Meydan).

HGD

Galileo (IRE)
Race record
17-y-o (30Mar98 b h)
Sadler´s Wells (USA)  (11.4f) — Urban Sea (USA) (Miswaki (USA)  (8.3f))
Trainer A P O'Brien
Owner Mrs John Magnier & Michael Tabor
Breeder D Tsui And Orpendale

ADD TO MY
HORSE TRACKER
RACE RECORDPEDIGREEMY NOTESSTORIESPHOTOS
Flat placings 1/1111126/
LIFETIME RECORD    STARTS    WINS    2NDS    3RDS    WINNINGS    EARNINGS    BEST TS    BEST RPR    OR†
Flat Turf    7    6    1    0    £1,496,110    £1,621,110    121    132    130
All-weather    1    0    0    0    £0    £0    —    116    —
Stakes    7    5    1    0    £1,487,270    £1,612,270    121    132    130
Rules Races    8    6    1    0    £1,496,110    £1,621,110    —    —    —
FORMWINSMY RATINGSSTATISTICSENTRIESRELATIVESSALESQUOTES
DATE    RACE CONDITIONS    WGT    RACE OUTCOME    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
27Oct01      Blm 10Fs G1 1386K    8-10    6/13 (7¾L Tiznow 9-0) 100/30    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
08Sep01      Leo 10Gd G1 384K    8-11    2/7 (hd Fantastic Light 9-4) 4/11F    Mick Kinane    130    *    *
28Jul01      Asc 12GF C1G1 435K    8-9    1/12 (2L Fantastic Light 9-7) 1/2F    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
01Jul01      Cur 12Y 3yG1 411K    9-0    1/12 (4L Morshdi 9-0) 4/11F    Mick Kinane    126    *    *
09Jun01      Eps 12GF C13yG1 580K    9-0    1/12 (3½L Golan 9-0) 11/4J    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
13May01      Leo 10Gd 3yG3 39K    8-11    1/5 (1½L Exaltation 8-11) 8/15F    Seamie Heffernan    —    *    *
16Apr01      Leo 10Sft 3yL 20K    8-12    1/7 (3½L Milan 8-12) 1/3F    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
28Oct00      Leo 8Hy 2y 8K    9-2    1/16 (14L Taraza 8-11) EvensF    Mick Kinane    —    *    *

http://coolmore.com/stallions/galileo/

just reading now..incredible example of digging oneself deeper into a hole while arguing louder as the head disappears under ground level...though maybe im the wasp and tell the king..?  that makes the gotchee right!!??

We all know who you are kavvie. You are the guy who gave his name and address to a to a forum member who then went and published it on here.

Talk about digging a hole

well he owed me a grand so my adress wasnt gonna dig me into a hole was it?!

I dont know what all the fuss about Galileo, lads address, JP/Coolmore and dirty shoes have to do with the question as to wheather Masterchief are going to be the loo cleansers at the new grandstand, according to mincer there is going to be some rather large sausages to be got rid of..

Is it definitely Masterchefs that currently provide the catering? The current guise of that company is largely Munster based with the original Masterchefs (Dublin based) having entered liquidation several years ago.

Haven't entered the eating area in a racecourse in 2015, the one New Year's Resolution I kept.

I don't agree with The Gotchee about Galileo but he still makes a valid point.

Calling him dim or stupid is just wrong,Coolmore half agree with him as you will notice they have programmed Aidan OBrien to stress the " speed " of all these Galileos.

I love the Curragh but am not so sure of this deal,this course has been run by the Turf Club for centuries now its in the hands of some pretty ruthless people.

Don't forget the last racecourse Coolmore got their hands on was The Phoenix Park.

Dan, the gotchee is a grade A bawloxx as well you know. Hes dimmer than dim, and you know that too.
He makes no valid points, not about anything.

I don't agree at all.

I think he overstates his case with regards Galileo but he does latch on to this idea that if you are labelled a stayer you have no stud future,they all want milers.

Galileo is a phenomenon but Coolmore knew from the getgo to keep stating all his progeny have unbelievable speed,they were frightened of the stayer label.

but he does latch on to this idea that if you are labelled a stayer you have no stud future,they all want milers.Galileo is a phenomenon but Coolmore knew from the getgo to keep stating all his progeny have unbelievable speed,they were frightened of the stayer label.


Talk about stating the bleeding obvious,do try to remember you're posting on a racing forum and not pontificating to numpties on a bar stool.

WMFB will always defend the indefensible (he'd argue with his shadow), the Gotchee's original post was that Galileo had never produced one decent miler and typifies the nonsense that he comes out with.

It may be obvious to you but Coolmore evidently didnt think it obvious to the breeders.
Every chance they had they stressed speed,it was like a mantra.

I'm not arguing at all just feel you are being dismissive of a legitimate if esoteric point.

Dan, you'd argue with your toes. DJ 876 is spot on in what he says, the gobbshee's original post is completely different to the nonsense you are on about. His original point is all to do with the racehorse Galileo and fukk all to do with Coolmore.

Do you just ignore what doesn't suit you?

The Gotchee's original post was that Galileo had never produced one decent miler so Frankel wasn't a decent miler

It's a completely different discussion as to Coolmore's PR machine.

I'm responding to you first calling The Gotchee illiterate,then dragging up your résumé of a previous argument sprinkled with insults.

I've already stated I don't agree with The Gotchee about Galileo but that doesn't mean there is no merit in his argument,its never that black and white.

The point about the Coolmore PR machine is relevant in that they sensed the danger,they saw some merit in The Gotchees point.

I never disputed the ability of Frankel, he is a freak and the best I have ever seen.

The point I was trying to make but it seems to have gone over your head is that Galileo has never produced a top class sprinter/miler.

Yes, he has produced plenty that have won over 1 mile as a two year but we all know that 2 year old mile winners inevitably turn out to be stayers  He  has never produced anything in the calibre of Kingman, Goldikova, Wise Dan,Shadeed,Rock of Gibraltar,Miesque etc. I could go on but I would be here all night.
Why do you think Gleneagles is going in the 1m 2f dirt race tonight instead of the 1 mile race.
Gleneagles was their best chance of trying to convince us that Galileo could produce a decent miler. Alas, by his entry in the 1m 2f dirt race, they have conceded that he will be unlikley to produce a top class miler.

P.S. Less of the aggression and abuse.

Get into bed gobshee ya plum

22 losers in a row, good night and god bless

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I sincerely hope you aint talking to me gobber, because thank god i cannot see it.

Go to bed mincer, you are a laughing stock around here.
The best part of you was left on your auld lads pajamas.

Go to bed mincer, you are a laughing stock around here.
The best part of you was left on your auld lads pajamas.

comedy gold from the gobshee tonight and fair play to wildman for stirring the pot nicely too

The sprinter miler does not exist in Europe in a meaningful sense. Sprinters do not count in Europe, you sprint if you don't get a mile. That rubbish race at Ascot may change that, but hasn't yet and hopefully never will. Muharrar might have been interesting at a mile, but spent the season going past horses trained by Dean Ivory, James Fanshawe and Evanna McCutcheon so we won't know. That was a sprinter miler if there was ever going to be one.

The only sprint race worth two bob in Europe is the July Cup, but Coolmore wouldn't run a 3yo miler in it due to scheduling as it is around the time of the mid-season break when they are prepping horses for the Sussex. There has never been a proper Group 1 winning miler in Europe that wouldn't have pissed up in a July Cup. Paco boy finished like a train in it, the same Paco Boy that Rip Van Winkle swamped for speed in the Sussex and who couldn't get past Goldikova. The same Goldikova who Richard Hughes toyed with on Canford Cliffs. Canford Cliffs being the horse that the Hannons acknowledge would have pushed Paco's  s hit back in. Paco Boy was Hannon Sr's favouite horse as well.

To surmise again, the sprinter miler does not exist in Europe to my mind. It is a pat phrase for speed rather than a question that is ever put to a serious horse. Kodi Bear could be a sprinter miler of sorts at a certain level next season, I could also see Gordon Lord Byron tried over further as a last ditch, but then, neither are serious horses.

Actually to correct the first line, you sprint if you are not good enough to win or compete at a mile.

Alan Sweetman addressed the opening post in a relatively contentious manner (for the trade rag) a couple of days ago.

He continuously and justly referred to the situation as a takeover which is impossible to confute given the proposed board.

Reading between the lines,there was as much cynicism implied as you're likely to read anywhere involving these connections.

Punters and racegoers are the organ that keeps this industry flowing at all levels (despite what connections will convey)but are passive acquiescents who are continuously treated with utter contempt by the main benefactors.

" I love The Curragh but am not so sure about this deal,this course has been run by the Turf Club for centuries now its in the hands of some pretty ruthless people.

Don't forget the last racecourse Coolmore got their hands on was the Phoenix Park "

I think I beat him to it when I posted this on this thread on 31/10/15.

I was going to reference that some of the points may have been regurgitated from on here but decided to give him the benefit of the doubt as it was hardly a unique viewpoint given the context.

I thought theclear negative connotations in relation to connection's strategy were pragmatic in contrast to the general sycophantic reporting but the punter's reaction is apathetic.

Slightly off topic, Alan Sweetman said Thats Nice was past the post in his analysis today in the rp, i thought the horse was as slow as a boat mainly on the Tipp run, i dopedly didn't lay as found it hard to make a case for the rivals  beside the point but what were feelings on course Wildman?
Did see the new plans for the course and must say i was impressed by the look anyway.

Dan , if you were in Thurles today then I hope you offered your sincerest condolences to little Michael Hourigan after the very sad demise of his horse today. Poor Michael must have been inconsolable after that horrible incident. He would definitely have to be treated for shock as there's no way he could have predicted what happened.

I would be deeply suspicious of the betting on that race.

There was little or no activity in the betting ring just the now common phenomenon of a horse shortening from 5/1 into 11/4 without a brass farthing being punted on it.

This was an exchange led gamble,it wasn't a market adjustment someone knew there was something amiss with That's Nice,they acted accordingly.
It shouldn't be that hard to find out who.

A friend of mine knows Michael and he says that he really is a lovely guy . A real nice man, and the suggestion that the horse was already crocked before he ran would be so unfair . There is simply no way an upstanding character like Michael would even dream of such a thing . The drift may well have been a market correction as it possibly should never have been 1/7 in the first place . It was penalised and it looked a race full of dangerous opponents . My thoughts are with Michael  and his family tonight, I'd imagine this will hit him hard and hopefully he will recover at some stage.

The one thing it wasn't was a race full of dangerous opponents,would be surprised if South Circle ever won another race would be astounded if any of the other three were ever placed again.

Paul Flynn had two in it and Eddie Harty had one , not to mention the winner who had won a 9yo and upwards mare maiden somewhere . Make no mistake it was a very good race.

Toomebridge,one of those top class point to points.

I should have backed that winner,didnt put enough work into it,mind you I'd say I was one of the few punters to leave Thurles losing.

All joking aside I doubt if there was any intention to break the horse down but someone knew he wasn't working well.

Yes it's highly likely the horse wasn't working brilliantly .