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28 Oct 15 14:18
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HORSE RACING IRELAND on Wednesday announced a €65 million development plan for the Curragh, with a new grandstand, weigh-room and parade ring, as well as a museum of Irish racing, part of the proposal.

Subject to planning permission being granted, the new facilities are scheduled to open in summer 2018 with the racecourse expected to remain open throughout the redevelopment that will also see the existing stable yard completely refurbished.

Joe Keeling, chairman of Horse Racing Ireland, said: "This is the most important venture in the modern history of Irish racing.

"The Curragh will be benchmarked against the best racecourses in Europe. It will be profitable, with customers whose loyalty is built around exceptional racing, facilities and customer service. It will be central to the revitalisation of Flat racing which has already begun with the development of Longines Irish Champions Weekend."

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By:
applehunter
When: 28 Oct 15 15:02
Deja vu
By:
Roger De Bris
When: 28 Oct 15 15:10
It won't be benchmarked against anything without sectional timing.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 28 Oct 15 17:01
Used to to the Curragh every meeting but not anymore. Its a very cold spot even in the summer and it will be colder if that new stand is anything to go by. That roof wont give much cover when the wind is blowing. Unless of course one is in one of the boxes behind the glass.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 28 Oct 15 17:01
... used to go to ...
By:
kincsem
When: 28 Oct 15 17:48
That roof will be off with the first strong wind.
Do ordinary racegoers not get stand cover?
By:
dj876
When: 28 Oct 15 19:21
JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it. Great contribution for the industry but should the normal punter greet it with enthusiasm?

A new stand for the punters but I would prefer an improvement in the impartial stewarding of for example fillies pattern races.

The untouchables just become more untouchable (if that's possible)
By:
mincer11
When: 28 Oct 15 20:03
Hopefully masterchefs are retained, a really excellent catering company.
By:
gemini01
When: 28 Oct 15 20:58
Do Masterchefs look after the loos their as well as the catering?
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 28 Oct 15 21:20
Never heard an Irishman use that gentile expression for a toilet.

Hope they have a kennel for that fussy Alsatian.

All now seem to watch the racing on either the giant screens or TVs so don't see the need for these huge elaborate grandstands.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 28 Oct 15 21:38
'Toilet' is a ghastly word and should be avoided.  I believe the Middletons were almost shown the door at The Palace for using the term.  'Loo' is rather Middle Class.  I use the term 'lavatory' and suggest that the forum adopts it as standard.
By:
frank60
When: 28 Oct 15 21:58
Laugh
By:
mincer11
When: 28 Oct 15 22:15
Dan, was forced to sample the grub at a grade 1 track within the last month.
Was very hungry so I had little choice and it truly was an unforgettable experience . Without hesitation I would say it was the worst meal I've had this century, and it was a rob too for the shiite that I got.
Had a glance at the fare in Punchestown  at the last  two day meeting , the sausages were bigger than John Holmes, and he had a serious weapon.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 28 Oct 15 23:59
JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it.

Fawning over a couple of tax exiles who have done precious little for Irish racing. Maybe, if they paid their taxes in this country, like most decent Irishmen, the government would be able to refurbish every racetrack in the country.
By:
dj876
When: 29 Oct 15 00:11

Oct 28, 2015 -- 11:59PM, The Gotchee wrote:


JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it.Fawning over a couple of tax exiles who have done precious little for Irish racing. Maybe, if they paid their taxes in this country, like most decent Irishmen, the government would be able to refurbish every racetrack in the country.


Another illiterate cretin who can't comprehend elementary English.

JP/Coolmore (one entity really)are sponsoring a third of it. Great contribution for the industry but should the normal punter greet it with enthusiasm?

A new stand for the punters but I would prefer an improvement in the impartial stewarding of for example fillies pattern races.

The untouchables just become more untouchable (if that's possible)


How could anyone interpret the above as fawning, surely it's over cynical or indeed even harsh?

Only one Gotcheee that's for sure!Blush

By:
The Gotchee
When: 29 Oct 15 00:12
LandedLaugh
By:
dj876
When: 29 Oct 15 00:16
Landed my eye.

You're the thickest yoke on here without a doubt.

Galileo has never produced a decent miler, FRANKEL

Only one Gotcheeeeeee, a grade one bellend if there ever was one
By:
The Gotchee
When: 29 Oct 15 00:26
Frankel was a freak, no doubt about that but his optimum trip was 1m 2f.
Give me 5 top class milers (not two year olds) Galileo has produced.
I know you have difficulty with dyscalculia but use the 5 fingers on your hand, that might help.
I know you are still hurting over the Doncaster Thread but try and put that behind you.
Laugh
By:
dj876
When: 29 Oct 15 00:37
You're an imbecile and very few on here bother with you in the slightest (presume that you're used to people ignoring you in the real world too)

Here's your post

In fairness, he is a good stallion but has he ever produced a decent sprinter/ miler? Plenty go the national  hunt route and as you can see from the leger entries he will create a record this year for a stallion by supplying the most progeny  in the oldest classic. Nothing to write home about.

Now if you don't think FRANKEL was a decent miler then you really are beyond help.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Oct 15 00:45
There’s no point going down the rabbit hole with The Gotchee. He came back after making the above post (possibly the most idiotic in the history of the forum) that only pure milers counted. Therefore, a horse like Frankel who won over further doesn’t count. There was a list a mile long of Galileo sired Group One winners posted on the other thread. Apparently they were also discounted for not being single distance freaks.

I also don’t know how anyone could argue 10f was his optimum trip. He ran 14 times with a dozen of those between 7f & 1m. His final two races where over 10f. His best run in any money was the Queen Anne in which he dismissed a top class Excelebration  with incredible ease.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 29 Oct 15 00:52
Answer the question that was posed. No one doubting the ability of Franlel but his optimum distance was 1m 2F. Still you avoid the question that was posed.
Name 5 top class 3 year old plus milers he has produced?
Another easy question which will further embellish the point I am trying to make.
What is the average winning distance of the progeny of Galileo?
Call me all the names you like but at the end of the day, you know you have lost the argument when you start the personal abuse.

Good NightCool
By:
The Gotchee
When: 29 Oct 15 00:55
You are out of your depth TelltheKing. You would be better off going to bed. Unless, you can answer the questions posed?
By:
neill d
When: 29 Oct 15 01:23
Has there ever been a stallion to produce 5 individual Group 1 winning milers at 3 yrs and upward? Galileo is there off the top of my head, I can't think of any other, not in the time I'm following Racing anyway. It's a phenomenally high level to attain. Maybe Saddlers Wells did it?
By:
neill d
When: 29 Oct 15 01:25
Could see Dubawi doing it maybe. Read somewhere that Coolmore have even started buying a few of his.

http://bloodstock.racingpost.com/news/bloodstock/coolmore-splash-out-for-well-bred-dubawi-filly/1968065/
By:
neill d
When: 29 Oct 15 01:30
Ah s hit, think I say somwhere as well that the dam Loveisallyouneed was one that this guy Richard Henry (works in Coolmore advertising) should never have parted with in the first place when he sold her to Newsells. It was this element rather than Dubawi that led them to go all out for the filly foal.
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Oct 15 01:36
Gotchee you seem confused. No-one really considers Galileo to be a miler sire. He’s a middle distance stallion based on his pedigree and track record. Most of his offspring are bred to be middle distance horses. However, he is such a phenomenal sire that he has thrown umpteen Group One winners over a mile despite how you try and discredit this known fact.

People have taken umbrage with you because, in the haste of making yet another rant about Coolmore, you threw out an instant classic as far as idiotic statements go. Instead of being man enough to admit your error you continued to sail forth, couching your argument via non sensical parameters. Anyone with a brain cell can see you backed yourself into a corner and it’s been almost embarrassing watching you try to squirm your way out via an array of bolshy statements and emoticons. You ain’t fooling anyone though.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 29 Oct 15 11:05
Tell the King and dj876 one and the same person?
Both very angry and abusive.
Both out of their depth.
By:
Ozymandius
When: 29 Oct 15 11:15
Actually, they are both intelligent and perceptive.  And as you said yourself, just yesterday; 'you know you have lost the argument when you start the personal abuse'
By:
TheWasp
When: 29 Oct 15 11:16
Oh dear the gobshee trying to knock frankel and galileo.  I have heard it all now
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Oct 15 11:28
You must be very sensitive Gotchee. I would say my two posts were very fair and measured. I also dissected your statement on Galileo rather than attacking you personally. Don't see any abuse in the contents of my posts.

I have seen you repeatedly revert to the same stock response (i.e. Anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong / All posters that disagree with you are the one person). It's remarkable that someone old enough to hold an online betting account can be so dim.

To answer your query on the G man, the following are five horse who produced top class form over one mile as 3yo's (this is not to say they were pure milers, I hope you can appreciate the difference) 1) Frankel 2) Gleneagles 3) Magician 4) Rip Van Winkle 5) Lush Lashes.
By:
The Gotchee
When: 29 Oct 15 14:23
No top class dedicated miler in that list.
Try again.
You conveniently swerved my other question.
Just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't give you the right to turn into a bully.
HGD
By:
callitasucit
When: 29 Oct 15 14:40
There are very very few top class 'dedicated trip' horses Gotchee.

It could only be viewed as a negative if they were that one dimensional. Frankel was a top class miler. He had two runs over further, one beating a rival that was nowhere near his league and in the other his class got him home against CDA. He was certainly more impressive over a mile. On numerous occasions.

Moving the goalposts to 'dedicated' milers is utter boll*x.

As is your usual retort when you have no sensible reply to an argument which put you to the wall....."they must be the same person".
By:
TellTheKing
When: 29 Oct 15 15:03
Think I'll get off the train here Gotchee. My shoes are far too nice to get covered in dirt standing beside you digging the hole even deeper.

There is ample evidence on this thread of what kind of brainpower you possess. Takes a certain kind of person to make the argument you've made. I am genuinely flummoxed how can you reconcile making the assertion that horses like the five I listed (all proven Group One horses over a mile) don't count because they were capable of performing to an equal standard over 10f-12f. As Callit says, it should be seen as a positive that they are adaptable.

I have no idea what the average winning distance of Galileo is. I expect somewhere in the region of 10f-12f. This is a complete non sequitur though in relation to your original statement.

I would say there isn't a stallion in the UK or Ireland that has sired what you would term five dedicated Group One milers with the only one coming close being Dubawi (I wouldn't count that bandit racing in Meydan).

HGD
By:
frank60
When: 29 Oct 15 16:13
Galileo (IRE)
Race record
17-y-o (30Mar98 b h)
Sadler´s Wells (USA)  (11.4f) — Urban Sea (USA) (Miswaki (USA)  (8.3f))
Trainer A P O'Brien
Owner Mrs John Magnier & Michael Tabor
Breeder D Tsui And Orpendale

ADD TO MY
HORSE TRACKER
RACE RECORDPEDIGREEMY NOTESSTORIESPHOTOS
Flat placings 1/1111126/
LIFETIME RECORD    STARTS    WINS    2NDS    3RDS    WINNINGS    EARNINGS    BEST TS    BEST RPR    OR†
Flat Turf    7    6    1    0    £1,496,110    £1,621,110    121    132    130
All-weather    1    0    0    0    £0    £0    —    116    —
Stakes    7    5    1    0    £1,487,270    £1,612,270    121    132    130
Rules Races    8    6    1    0    £1,496,110    £1,621,110    —    —    —
FORMWINSMY RATINGSSTATISTICSENTRIESRELATIVESSALESQUOTES
DATE    RACE CONDITIONS    WGT    RACE OUTCOME    JOCKEY    OR    TS    RPR
27Oct01      Blm 10Fs G1 1386K    8-10    6/13 (7¾L Tiznow 9-0) 100/30    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
08Sep01      Leo 10Gd G1 384K    8-11    2/7 (hd Fantastic Light 9-4) 4/11F    Mick Kinane    130    *    *
28Jul01      Asc 12GF C1G1 435K    8-9    1/12 (2L Fantastic Light 9-7) 1/2F    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
01Jul01      Cur 12Y 3yG1 411K    9-0    1/12 (4L Morshdi 9-0) 4/11F    Mick Kinane    126    *    *
09Jun01      Eps 12GF C13yG1 580K    9-0    1/12 (3½L Golan 9-0) 11/4J    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
13May01      Leo 10Gd 3yG3 39K    8-11    1/5 (1½L Exaltation 8-11) 8/15F    Seamie Heffernan    —    *    *
16Apr01      Leo 10Sft 3yL 20K    8-12    1/7 (3½L Milan 8-12) 1/3F    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
28Oct00      Leo 8Hy 2y 8K    9-2    1/16 (14L Taraza 8-11) EvensF    Mick Kinane    —    *    *
By:
frank60
When: 29 Oct 15 16:24
http://coolmore.com/stallions/galileo/
By:
kavvie
When: 30 Oct 15 00:00
just reading now..incredible example of digging oneself deeper into a hole while arguing louder as the head disappears under ground level...though maybe im the wasp and tell the king..?  that makes the gotchee right!!??
By:
The Gotchee
When: 30 Oct 15 00:52
We all know who you are kavvie. You are the guy who gave his name and address to a to a forum member who then went and published it on here.

Talk about digging a holeLaugh
By:
kavvie
When: 30 Oct 15 01:02
well he owed me a grand so my adress wasnt gonna dig me into a hole was it?!
By:
gemini01
When: 30 Oct 15 13:07
I dont know what all the fuss about Galileo, lads address, JP/Coolmore and dirty shoes have to do with the question as to wheather Masterchief are going to be the loo cleansers at the new grandstand, according to mincer there is going to be some rather large sausages to be got rid of..
By:
TellTheKing
When: 30 Oct 15 13:35
Is it definitely Masterchefs that currently provide the catering? The current guise of that company is largely Munster based with the original Masterchefs (Dublin based) having entered liquidation several years ago.

Haven't entered the eating area in a racecourse in 2015, the one New Year's Resolution I kept.
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