It wasn't the top half,wasn't the North Riding.

Ryan Moores injury is far more serious than previously realised,he needs a plate in his neck but that would mean not riding anymore so he has to let it heal naturally.

Anne Marie would serve her children far better by not driving a wedge between the family and The Lads. As long as Aidan was in place there would be a place for them at Ballydoyle. However, nepotism has resulted in them being catapulted beyond their stations to a level they don't have the requisite abilities for.

Joseph was at fault for Australia for getting beat. 

The Tabor argument doesn't make sense. Say he was giving out about having the children around the place before, they are all grown up now so its a mute point.

They also don't want the main rider there every morning riding out. Again, a mute point. There are also far better riders than the likes of Sarah and Ana at Ballydoyle. If they left in the morning no-one would notice. Joseph and Donnacha have their place but are also easily replaceable.

I certainly did, typing while watching replays doesn't help with grammar!

Aidan astounded me with his Royal Ascot talk of the family running the Ballydoyle show after Gleneagles victory in SJP. I can only imagine the main man was fuming. I can't imagine the other two honchos get a look in on the vital strategic issues. Smith seems a fella I'd scarcely buy a pint for.

Everything I know about John Magnier would indicate to me he would want an Irishman running the Ballydoyle show.

Aidan and his domineering wife are very unwise and foolish to think they can impose themselves on this situation. It would be an unmitigated disaster and, don't forget, Aidan had to earn his spurs for a few years in Rosegreen before he got the pick of the 2yo crops.

This situation is analogous to the Joseph O'Brien debacle and how the Coolmore boys have allowed it do develop is beyond me.

blinkered thinking praising this "legion of mary" family and getting too tall for their boots.

Wouldn't have DOM as he's a greenhorn albeit the alternatives here in Ireland are not very obvious. Wachman, Oxx.....but maybe they will go to America for Irish roots if it comes to pass.

3 of the Ballydoyle horses that Won @ Royal Ascot were not the same horses that were running in Ireland.They went from downing tools & falling in a hole under pressure to running through Brick walls.Watch the videos back

Mincer
And what in gods name has that got to do with this debate here?

"BWS it's not just them Northern trainers. Same thing is happening in all the big yards across here and the UK. It's at the stage where you aren't competing at the top if the horses are only running on nuts and water!"
numpty

Heisenberg
I don't go racing much now.
Some years back I saw a horse run adequately.  A few weeks later I saw it again and it won a very BIG race.
It didn't look like the same beast.  It had improved amazingly in appearance.

Have got it fairly right that Aidan will be training for Al Shaqab in Piltown next season. Unlikely that relationship with The Lads can be repaired.

I'll believe it when I see it, and I stand over there being no chance of him training JP's jumpers full time, but we could be witnessing the later stages of an unparalleled era of success for all involved.

I'd say aiden was calling cool mores bluff with that statement.cool more need aiden more than aiden needs cool more.it would be a huge risk getting rid of o Brien just because his family are not very good jockies

So if aiden went who is their.....Charles o Brien......d watchman .....j oxx ...d o Meara' who let's face it won't be allowed to bring his special carrots with him for his rapidly improving hcap ers.

Today's article in the Examiner doesn't really shed any new light on the current situation...

PAT KEANE: Dark clouds gather over Ballydoyle
   
Saturday, August 29, 2015 By Pat Keane
So, the rumours that were rife for weeks, regarding Aidan O’Brien’s future at Ballydoyle, finally found their way into the media over the last seven days or so.

It seems matters came to a head somewhat at York’s Ebor meeting, with persistent word that the rather sensational David O’Meara was set to-be-installed as the new Ballydoyle maestro.

That particular rumour, of course, had been doing the rounds here at home for weeks prior to York.

O’Meara has since categorically denied he has ever been approached by anyone from Coolmore about Ballydoyle and that is the end of the matter, one supposes.

In any case whatever about the possibility of O’Meara replacing O’Brien what isn’t in doubt is that there are clearly major tensions between O’Brien and the Coolmore partners.

At the start of the season, Ryan Moore was unveiled as the new Ballydoyle number one rider, with weight problems cited as the reason why Joseph O’Brien had to be replaced.

Joseph, however, following a couple of less than auspicious attempts over flights, soon had his weight under control, but the bird had essentially flown and Moore was, by then, safely sitting in the best seat in the house.

When Moore enjoyed an amazing Royal Ascot it simply confirmed that getting him on board full time was an inspired decision.

But then Moore suffered a neck injury and there is no indication will be returning to action any time soon.

And, it seems, that has meant much tension has again arisen between O’Brien and “the lads”.

Let’s cut to the chase here. My understanding is that one of the partners does not want Joseph riding the Ballydoyle horses, at least not in the top races.

I gather the situation may have reared its head before the Sussex Stakes at Goodwood. That contest had been mapped out for the star three-year-old, the dual 2000 Guineas winner, Gleneagles.

The son of Galileo, of course, wasn’t actually declared because of the likelihood of soft ground, although the surface rode good on the day.

Then at York, O’Brien was anxious to run Gleneagles in the Juddmonte International, with Joseph in the plate.

Joseph was certainly going to ride the horse, although it seems at least one of the partners was less than happy with the arrangement.


As it transpired Gleneagles was again forced to miss out. O’Brien wisely decided against running him, on rain-softened ground and over a trip that was much further, two and a half furlongs, than he had travelled previously.

Had Gleneagles run it is more than interesting that Joseph would have done 8-12, a weight he hasn’t ridden at all season.

It is also interesting to note he was not on Found, when the hot-pot landed a Group 3 at the Curragh last Sunday. Like Gleneagles, she was also on 8-12, with Seamie Heffernan assigned to do the driving.

It is not, obviously, the first time controversy has raged during O’Brien’s tenure at Ballydoyle.

Why, for instance, did the greatest flat jockey this country has ever produced, Michael Kinane, leave Ballydoyle when at the peak of his powers?

Why did the second best flat jockey Ireland has ever seen, Johnny Murtagh, also leave Ballydoyle rather earlier than might have been anticipated?

Then there was Jamie Spencer, who was barely settled into the job when he was on his way. None of those cases has ever really been adequately explained and probably never will!

What’s next? Well, we have to be forgiven for thinking that for Aidan O’Brien to continue to train at Ballydoyle someone has to blink first.

If O’Brien was to decide to move his family from Ballydoyle at any time in the near future, or was requested to do so, then there is a ready-made facility waiting for him at Piltown in Co Kilkenny.

But would it actually make any sense to break up a team that has proved so wildly successful and must have even surprised, at least mildly, the overall supremo at Ballydoyle-Coolmore, John Magnier?

Aidan O’Brien has proved to be one of the greatest success stories in Irish sporting history and there will be no winners should he ever depart Ballydoyle before his time.

Magnier will be well aware that he may find another Galileo, Danehill Dancer, Kinane, Murtagh or Moore, but is unlikely to ever find another O’Brien.

Ballydoyle-Coolmore has a well-known policy of never commenting on speculation, and who can argue with that. It has clearly served them quite nicely over the years.

Basically everyone - the media and the general racing public alike - will be left to do just that, speculate, until Coolmore decides, if needs be, to issue a statement. That statement may never be deemed necessary.

We can be virtually certain nothing will happen before the end of this current campaign and it will, at least on the surface, be business as usual. But next season…!

according to c4 yesterday pat keanes statement is over the top?

yes very true chelts..just passing on what was said on the ML..and later in the day although how much you can take notice is open to debate?

Off topic but it relates to Coolmore. Wesley Ward runs one in the first in Saratoga this evening ridden by who else but Kieran Fallon.

Latest news on this topic, everything sorted out. Aidan staying put, Joseph packing  in riding at the end of the year and going training in Piltown. Ryan Moore if recovered will be stable no 1 and if not it will be someone else.

Tensions have come to the surface because Aido wants a piece of the action that thelads enjoy.tbf he has earned it.

Joseph was an interesting jockey booking for m Johnston and sheik Mohammed bin maktoum horse at haydock yesterday.

It might have been welcome to the real world for him though as he was called in to explain the performance of the horse who was tailed of last of 16 I think.
He wouldn't be called in over an aiden/coolmore horse though.

Has there ever been a jockey in the history of the sport that finished tailed off on fancied horses more than him though.

Either completely takes the p1ss knowing he's untouchable or a lot of horses become unbalanced and simply don't respond to his riding style.

Has AP's blessing too

http://www.theirishfield.ie/a-p-mccoy-backs-joseph-obrien-training-career-move-189314/#.Ve9T3Rp9U3s.twitter

Great comeback by Aiden.