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20 Jul 15
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This Zoffany filly ran some race in the first race at the Curragh Sunday.
Trained by David Wachman ridden by Fran Berry in the Green and Gold colours this was a classic case of using the racecourse as a training ground.
Trained by David Wachman ridden by Fran Berry in the Green and Gold colours this was a classic case of using the racecourse as a training ground.
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You would see worse examples in those colours on a weekly basis,the untouchables.
Sure isn't he great for the game,look at the amount of employment and sponsorship he gives to the sport.
From a normal punter's perspective his whole racing operation is a disgrace. The opaqueness of the operation means their their shorties have a deserved apparent premium on their prices.
As for the trainer, it's hardly a great endorsement for the integrity of the yard that he employs your buddy Betfair Eddie.
Sure isn't he great for the game,look at the amount of employment and sponsorship he gives to the sport.
From a normal punter's perspective his whole racing operation is a disgrace. The opaqueness of the operation means their their shorties have a deserved apparent premium on their prices.
As for the trainer, it's hardly a great endorsement for the integrity of the yard that he employs your buddy Betfair Eddie.
I accept m in a minority over Ahern,I think he was badly treated.
Even were I to accept he was guilty as was claimed I dislike the vindictiveness that would stop him scratching a living as a workrider and what a workrider he would be.
There is an assistant there who's name i can't recall but he was training in England disappeared to Austrailia leaving a trail but is a genius,they have high hopes he will turn the stable around.
Even were I to accept he was guilty as was claimed I dislike the vindictiveness that would stop him scratching a living as a workrider and what a workrider he would be.
There is an assistant there who's name i can't recall but he was training in England disappeared to Austrailia leaving a trail but is a genius,they have high hopes he will turn the stable around.
Mark Wallace??
The guy that set up the jockey change with 2 of his 2 year olds,
There was originally a claimer on the outsider which was backed off the boards and then subsequently there was a late jockey change with K.Fallon replacing the claimer,duly bolted up.
The guy that set up the jockey change with 2 of his 2 year olds,
There was originally a claimer on the outsider which was backed off the boards and then subsequently there was a late jockey change with K.Fallon replacing the claimer,duly bolted up.
I wouldn't begrudge Ahern a wage but was merely highlighting the standards that David Wachman applies at his yard.
Harshly treated my eye,anyone watching racing with the last 10-15 years knows he was as guilty as sin if they are in anyway independent.
Mark Wallace left Australia owing half the country money so you have probably highlighted another example of Wachman's view on ethics.
Harshly treated my eye,anyone watching racing with the last 10-15 years knows he was as guilty as sin if they are in anyway independent.
Mark Wallace left Australia owing half the country money so you have probably highlighted another example of Wachman's view on ethics.
I don't think ethics is Wachmans problem its an inability to train.
There is turmoil in the South Riding yet the obvious replacement is not being considered,even the father in law accepts he can't be let near Ballydoyle.
There is turmoil in the South Riding yet the obvious replacement is not being considered,even the father in law accepts he can't be let near Ballydoyle.
An enterprising set up to be fair,hard to believe it was 12 years ago. In my memory it had won easier than described below.
Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 07:21 AM
A late jockey switch involving Kieren Fallon and a raw apprentice at Brighton yesterday sparked a controversy and has been referred to Jockey Club headquarters in London for investigation.
Champion jockey Fallon won the seller on the gambled-on Hanton as a last-minute replacement for 7lb claimer Karl Bowman, who had only ridden once in public before.
Bowman was reported to be stuck in traffic and did not arrive in time for the M&M Office Supplies One Year Anniversary Selling Stakes.
Punters who placed their bets early on morning paper favourite Costa Del Sol received a shock when the champion was announced the partner for Hanton, who is trained at Newmarket by Mark Wallace.
Fallon has ridden several winners for Wallace this season, including a double on two juveniles at San Siro in Milan earlier this month.
Bowman, 20, was issued with his licence in March and on his only ride in public finished sixth at Doncaster later that month.
Hanton opened at 5-2 and touched 5-1 on course before being backed down to 7-4 market leader, with bets of £2,750-£1,000, £2,250-£1,000 (twice) and £2,000-£1,000 (three times) among those recorded.
Fallon needed all his strength to get the unraced two-year-old home by a neck from Costa Del Sol after the youngster had shown signs of greenness when mounting her challenge at the furlong marker.
The filly attracted plenty of interest at the subsequent auction before being retained by connections for 28,000 guineas, a record for the course and well clear of the previous best of 15,000.
After an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the late jockey change, stewards’ secretary Jeremy Ker said: “The stewards held an inquiry because they felt that the somewhat irregular betting patterns warranted it, in that she was backed down from 10s in the morning to favourite.
“They interviewed the trainer, Bowman – the jockey who didn’t turn up – when he eventually got here, the trainer’s secretary, who was doing the driving for the jockey, and Kieren Fallon, who eventually rode the horse.
“They also heard evidence from the clerk of the scales over the timings of what had gone on in the weighing-room.
“Having done all that they established that, quite correctly, the clerk of the scales had allowed the change of jockeys, because the declared jockey wasn’t here a quarter of an hour before the start of the race, and it was immediately announced that Kieren would take the ride.
“However, because all the aspects of the betting in the morning weren’t available to the stewards, they referred the matter to Portman Square for further investigation.”
Jockey Club rules allow for the replacement of a rider under such circumstances and put no ability restriction on the substitute chosen.
John Maxse, the Jockey Club’s director of public relations, said: “The decision to refer means that the Jockey Club’s security department is now in a position to complete the inquiry armed with the evidence given on the day by the relevant people.
“But obviously our own inquiries can now cross-check their evidence with anything else relevant, from off-course betting information to any other factors.
“In view of the subsequent result and backing for the horse, I can understand the suspicions.
“It is only right that we take the time to thoroughly conclude our investigation, to see if there is any evidence which can back up such suspicions. But it is not sufficient to rely on those suspicions alone.”
Wednesday, July 16, 2003 - 07:21 AM
A late jockey switch involving Kieren Fallon and a raw apprentice at Brighton yesterday sparked a controversy and has been referred to Jockey Club headquarters in London for investigation.
Champion jockey Fallon won the seller on the gambled-on Hanton as a last-minute replacement for 7lb claimer Karl Bowman, who had only ridden once in public before.
Bowman was reported to be stuck in traffic and did not arrive in time for the M&M Office Supplies One Year Anniversary Selling Stakes.
Punters who placed their bets early on morning paper favourite Costa Del Sol received a shock when the champion was announced the partner for Hanton, who is trained at Newmarket by Mark Wallace.
Fallon has ridden several winners for Wallace this season, including a double on two juveniles at San Siro in Milan earlier this month.
Bowman, 20, was issued with his licence in March and on his only ride in public finished sixth at Doncaster later that month.
Hanton opened at 5-2 and touched 5-1 on course before being backed down to 7-4 market leader, with bets of £2,750-£1,000, £2,250-£1,000 (twice) and £2,000-£1,000 (three times) among those recorded.
Fallon needed all his strength to get the unraced two-year-old home by a neck from Costa Del Sol after the youngster had shown signs of greenness when mounting her challenge at the furlong marker.
The filly attracted plenty of interest at the subsequent auction before being retained by connections for 28,000 guineas, a record for the course and well clear of the previous best of 15,000.
After an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the late jockey change, stewards’ secretary Jeremy Ker said: “The stewards held an inquiry because they felt that the somewhat irregular betting patterns warranted it, in that she was backed down from 10s in the morning to favourite.
“They interviewed the trainer, Bowman – the jockey who didn’t turn up – when he eventually got here, the trainer’s secretary, who was doing the driving for the jockey, and Kieren Fallon, who eventually rode the horse.
“They also heard evidence from the clerk of the scales over the timings of what had gone on in the weighing-room.
“Having done all that they established that, quite correctly, the clerk of the scales had allowed the change of jockeys, because the declared jockey wasn’t here a quarter of an hour before the start of the race, and it was immediately announced that Kieren would take the ride.
“However, because all the aspects of the betting in the morning weren’t available to the stewards, they referred the matter to Portman Square for further investigation.”
Jockey Club rules allow for the replacement of a rider under such circumstances and put no ability restriction on the substitute chosen.
John Maxse, the Jockey Club’s director of public relations, said: “The decision to refer means that the Jockey Club’s security department is now in a position to complete the inquiry armed with the evidence given on the day by the relevant people.
“But obviously our own inquiries can now cross-check their evidence with anything else relevant, from off-course betting information to any other factors.
“In view of the subsequent result and backing for the horse, I can understand the suspicions.
“It is only right that we take the time to thoroughly conclude our investigation, to see if there is any evidence which can back up such suspicions. But it is not sufficient to rely on those suspicions alone.”
HORSE trainer Mark Wallace came to Australia from England to try his hand at the racing scene here.
With 50 horses under his guidance at Newmarket, he was considered a rising star.
His decision to head Down Under was a big gamble - one that didn't pay off.
Yesterday, a Sydney court heard he is believed to have left Australia and to have returned to either Ireland or England - no one knows where - allegedly leaving behind a string of debts.
Lawyers for the Australian Turf Club this week successfully asked the Supreme Court to freeze assets connected with two horses he co-owns, Callmewhatyalike and Rasanka, in a bid to recoup $127,574.
The debt is for his use of the Australian Turf Club's facilities at Warwick Farm Racecourse over the past year.
Callmewhatyalike is owned with Irish resident Conor Murphy and Rasanka as part of a syndicate managed by Julian Blaxland.
The ATC is also attempting to trace Mr Murphy's address, which is held by Racing Information Services Australia.
Callmewhatyalike cost $42,500 as a yearling and has had seven starts for no wins or placings, earning just $1050 in prizemoney. The horse hasn't raced since October 2010.
Rasanka cost $50,000 as a yearling and has had five starts, earning no prizemoney. Rasanka last raced in August.
Supreme Court Judge Monika Schmidt said yesterday the ATC's belief that Wallace "may no longer be in Australia" was reasonable: "Neither he nor the other owners of the racehorses have been located."
The court also heard that Wallace's Coogee flat is empty and Warwick Farm staff had not seen him for a month.
Justice Schmidt also gave the ATC permission to request Wallace's immigration records, which will reveal if he has left the country.
In a separate case, UK bloodstock agent Doncaster Bloodstock Sales applied to bankrupt Wallace over a 2007 $31,000 debt relating to two yearlings he bought at that year's UK St Leger sales.
He bought a chestnut colt by Lucky Story out of Majborah for 12,000 guineas and a bay colt, by Invinceable Spirit from Aravonian, for 24,000 guineas.
That case returns to court on February 29.
Wallace is best known for training sprinter Benbaun - the horse that propelled him to international stardom and which ran second to the Australian champion Takeover Target at Royal Ascot in 2006 in a photo.
With 50 horses under his guidance at Newmarket, he was considered a rising star.
His decision to head Down Under was a big gamble - one that didn't pay off.
Yesterday, a Sydney court heard he is believed to have left Australia and to have returned to either Ireland or England - no one knows where - allegedly leaving behind a string of debts.
Lawyers for the Australian Turf Club this week successfully asked the Supreme Court to freeze assets connected with two horses he co-owns, Callmewhatyalike and Rasanka, in a bid to recoup $127,574.
The debt is for his use of the Australian Turf Club's facilities at Warwick Farm Racecourse over the past year.
Callmewhatyalike is owned with Irish resident Conor Murphy and Rasanka as part of a syndicate managed by Julian Blaxland.
The ATC is also attempting to trace Mr Murphy's address, which is held by Racing Information Services Australia.
Callmewhatyalike cost $42,500 as a yearling and has had seven starts for no wins or placings, earning just $1050 in prizemoney. The horse hasn't raced since October 2010.
Rasanka cost $50,000 as a yearling and has had five starts, earning no prizemoney. Rasanka last raced in August.
Supreme Court Judge Monika Schmidt said yesterday the ATC's belief that Wallace "may no longer be in Australia" was reasonable: "Neither he nor the other owners of the racehorses have been located."
The court also heard that Wallace's Coogee flat is empty and Warwick Farm staff had not seen him for a month.
Justice Schmidt also gave the ATC permission to request Wallace's immigration records, which will reveal if he has left the country.
In a separate case, UK bloodstock agent Doncaster Bloodstock Sales applied to bankrupt Wallace over a 2007 $31,000 debt relating to two yearlings he bought at that year's UK St Leger sales.
He bought a chestnut colt by Lucky Story out of Majborah for 12,000 guineas and a bay colt, by Invinceable Spirit from Aravonian, for 24,000 guineas.
That case returns to court on February 29.
Wallace is best known for training sprinter Benbaun - the horse that propelled him to international stardom and which ran second to the Australian champion Takeover Target at Royal Ascot in 2006 in a photo.
In a slightly ironic twist, Wallace got a judgement against owners in relation to outstanding training fees when he was in England. He obviously took a different viewpoint when it came to his own liabilities.
On the subject of the green and gold eyecatchers, they get away with even more on the Flat than they do over jumps. There's been any number of similar performances (e.g. Boherbuoy on the first day of the season).
On the subject of the green and gold eyecatchers, they get away with even more on the Flat than they do over jumps. There's been any number of similar performances (e.g. Boherbuoy on the first day of the season).
Jul 20, 2015 -- 12:35PM, wildmanfromborneo wrote:
I don't think ethics is Wachmans problem its an inability to train.There is turmoil in the South Riding yet the obvious replacement is not being considered,even the father in law accepts he can't be let near Ballydoyle.
Wachman is a poor trainer but I wasn't contending that his view on ethics was the issue but it's relevant to the initial topic,Eddie Ahern and Mark Wallace.
It will be all held together still. I presume Magnier/Tabor will soothe the situation by allowing Joeseph to ride Gleneagles in the Sussex stakes. It would be embarrassing if they attempt to say he can't do 8-13 for one ride and try to use the weight issues as a cover story again.
My instinctive first thought was Fook,JOB will be riding Gleneagles in the Sussex stakes when I heard about Ryan Moore's neck injury.
as I think he'a moral with the 8lbs WFA against Solow and had intended to get stuck in (assumption of fast ground) but the impending jockey change has not altered the prices at all.
I've been as far out as a lighthouse on Gleneagles so the good news for you is I think Solow will beat him.
I don't know whether its stubbornness as I think the three year olds are good this year but I can't take to Gleneagles at all.
Will Joseph feel the pressure should he ride Glneagles ?
I don't know whether its stubbornness as I think the three year olds are good this year but I can't take to Gleneagles at all.
Will Joseph feel the pressure should he ride Glneagles ?
the ride joseph gave words the other day was...well beyond words!!
I don't rate the Queen Anne form with a very limited 5yo mare a length second and cougar mountain a further neck behind in third.
In contrast the Newmarket 2000 guineas form looks rock solid with Territories,Home of the Brave and Dutch connection all after franking the form.
Gleneagles dam is a sister to Giants Causeway and in some ways he resembles GC in that he only does enough but he has way more speed than GC
On fast ground (which is a must) he will eat Solow alive for speed.
Joeseph (lack of confidence) has tempered my enthusiasm because you were getting the same price with Ryan Moore up,although Maxime Guyon isn't world class either.
In contrast the Newmarket 2000 guineas form looks rock solid with Territories,Home of the Brave and Dutch connection all after franking the form.
Gleneagles dam is a sister to Giants Causeway and in some ways he resembles GC in that he only does enough but he has way more speed than GC
On fast ground (which is a must) he will eat Solow alive for speed.
Joeseph (lack of confidence) has tempered my enthusiasm because you were getting the same price with Ryan Moore up,although Maxime Guyon isn't world class either.
Wachman told me years ago that Wallace was a friend of his so no surprise he should end up there in the circumstances
I wouldn't be a fan of the Queen Anne form either. The main dangers didn't run their race, and Cougar Mountain was far too close for comfort. Solow may turn out to be really top class, but it will surely be over 10fur if that is to prove the case.
Gleneagles has answered every call so far, and always with the perception that there is plenty under the bonnet. I doubt he will need to get to the bottom of it next Wed.
Gleneagles has answered every call so far, and always with the perception that there is plenty under the bonnet. I doubt he will need to get to the bottom of it next Wed.
I wonder if the turmoil in the South Riding will have implications at the end of this year?
In the past both sides knew what was in their best interests and the relationship remained in tact. This time around could be different, blood being thicker than the % cut on stallion fees. APOB went to Tipp on Sunday to see his daughter ride a winner trained on the Hill rather than witness his main employers pick up the feature race (Group 2) on the card at HQ.
In the past both sides knew what was in their best interests and the relationship remained in tact. This time around could be different, blood being thicker than the % cut on stallion fees. APOB went to Tipp on Sunday to see his daughter ride a winner trained on the Hill rather than witness his main employers pick up the feature race (Group 2) on the card at HQ.
There is no turmoil in South Riding, that's the biggest load of bolloxxx of all time . Typical pub talk from Dan.
the biggest load of bolloxxx of all time
The biggest of all time? That's a fair call Mincer. Wouldn't be quite so sure. So far there's no sign of a decent 2-y-o in the yard. AP has broken most records already. If there is a parting of the ways it would be interesting to know the T&Cs on any settlement. I doubt if "the lads" would want to be in opposition against him in the future.
The biggest of all time? That's a fair call Mincer. Wouldn't be quite so sure. So far there's no sign of a decent 2-y-o in the yard. AP has broken most records already. If there is a parting of the ways it would be interesting to know the T&Cs on any settlement. I doubt if "the lads" would want to be in opposition against him in the future.
Aidan OBrien is a family man,he's not happy with the way his children were treated,Tabor did call the place a Kindergarten.
We know Aidan OBrien is a genius,we also know there is huge animosity between Coolmore and Godolphin.
If Godolphin had any brains they would approach Aidan OBrien and offer him some choicely bred yearlings were he to return to the now vacant Piltdown.
There is also huge pressure on Aidan OBrien in Ballydoyle.
We know Aidan OBrien is a genius,we also know there is huge animosity between Coolmore and Godolphin.
If Godolphin had any brains they would approach Aidan OBrien and offer him some choicely bred yearlings were he to return to the now vacant Piltdown.
There is also huge pressure on Aidan OBrien in Ballydoyle.
I wonder if the turmoil in the South Riding will have implications at the end of this year?
In the past both sides knew what was in their best interests and the relationship remained in tact. This time around could be different, blood being thicker than the % cut on stallion fees.
Aidan does not get a % cut in stallion fees if that is what you are referring to?
In the past both sides knew what was in their best interests and the relationship remained in tact. This time around could be different, blood being thicker than the % cut on stallion fees.
Aidan does not get a % cut in stallion fees if that is what you are referring to?
It would be the greatest thing ever for Irish Racing if Godolphin were to set up in Ireland with Aidan O'Brien as their exclusive trainer, not in Piltown though, somewhere on the Curragh. They have some very good sons of Galileo now, still have the slow mares but ya can't have it all I guess. It would be positively epic as Godolphin have produced some promising looking horses at times, its just the guys training them can't really cut it.
On another note, why the fck haven't Juddmonte retained Pat Smullen as their no.1 rider? He'd still ride all of Weld's on the Thursday nights and Sundays. Weld's next star will likely be from there anyway. Nothing wrong with James Doyle but it baffles me at the time that they would retain him then, but not Smullen now. I wonder is Weld holding him back. This isn't like the Coolmore situation where he would have lost him completely. He proved again on Sunday that there ain't anyone better.
On another note, why the fck haven't Juddmonte retained Pat Smullen as their no.1 rider? He'd still ride all of Weld's on the Thursday nights and Sundays. Weld's next star will likely be from there anyway. Nothing wrong with James Doyle but it baffles me at the time that they would retain him then, but not Smullen now. I wonder is Weld holding him back. This isn't like the Coolmore situation where he would have lost him completely. He proved again on Sunday that there ain't anyone better.
I very much doubt that Weld would tolerate a situation where his retained or main rider could get on board a rival colt or filly in a Group race that he is also contesting. It would go against anything that I have ever heard or know about Weld and the fact that Smullen would be so familiar with his horse and therefore could plot a method of beating it, would not sit well with Weld at all.
Similarly if there was a big race in Ireland on the same day that a Juddmonte horse for another yard was competing in the UK or abroad and Smullen was required overseas, I cannot see Weld allowing that situation to occur continually.
Can you imagine Smullen being at Goodwood for a few days next week, riding in some of the main races over there rather than winning handicaps with 90+ horses running off marks in the 50s and 60s on the week that Weld has his annual coronation?
Similarly if there was a big race in Ireland on the same day that a Juddmonte horse for another yard was competing in the UK or abroad and Smullen was required overseas, I cannot see Weld allowing that situation to occur continually.
Can you imagine Smullen being at Goodwood for a few days next week, riding in some of the main races over there rather than winning handicaps with 90+ horses running off marks in the 50s and 60s on the week that Weld has his annual coronation?
So he is holding him back then
Amazing to think he probably turned down the Coolmore job. Weld must be the most authoritative/persuasive person person in racing relative to his actual relevance.
Amazing to think he probably turned down the Coolmore job. Weld must be the most authoritative/persuasive person person in racing relative to his actual relevance.
Distant View 22 Jul 15 09:5
Aidan does not get a % cut in stallion fees if that is what you are referring to?
DV, it is not be quite as simple as I stated in the post above; however I don't think you're that naive that you wouldn't acknowledge financial incentives to APOB to produce stallions, whether that be through nominations etc. Why else would he be talking up the "greatest ever", "natural speed", "incredible constitution"...annually...?
Aidan does not get a % cut in stallion fees if that is what you are referring to?
DV, it is not be quite as simple as I stated in the post above; however I don't think you're that naive that you wouldn't acknowledge financial incentives to APOB to produce stallions, whether that be through nominations etc. Why else would he be talking up the "greatest ever", "natural speed", "incredible constitution"...annually...?
From what I know he used to get a royalty which equated to 1% of the stallion income or he believed he would get it.
That all changed when this was claimed for the Mozart fees and he was treated in the same way as Ferguson.
I very much doubt that he has been successful in getting this re-instated.
He might get a few nominations or something like that, but I would say it is not overly generous.
I would assume the sh1t talk is part of a very generous salary and he has to do it, but he would not have much of a vested interest in how the stallions do or what their covering fees are.
That all changed when this was claimed for the Mozart fees and he was treated in the same way as Ferguson.
I very much doubt that he has been successful in getting this re-instated.
He might get a few nominations or something like that, but I would say it is not overly generous.
I would assume the sh1t talk is part of a very generous salary and he has to do it, but he would not have much of a vested interest in how the stallions do or what their covering fees are.
AOB gets a good number of nominations to the lower level stallions and probably favourable terms on the more expensive ones. Frequenting Fastnet Rock when other breeders were wary has proved a good move.
Has anyone else heard the rumour that JP is now the significant shareholder in the operation? Allegedly had to bail out "The Boys" property investments at a time when renegotiating with lenders was very difficult. Don't really buy it myself but got it from a sound source all the same.
Has anyone else heard the rumour that JP is now the significant shareholder in the operation? Allegedly had to bail out "The Boys" property investments at a time when renegotiating with lenders was very difficult. Don't really buy it myself but got it from a sound source all the same.
Distant View, you talk quite a bit of nonsense.
There is no way you are privy to what Aidan O Brien gets or doesnt get from stallion fees.
And as for Weld tolerating Smullen riding in Goodwood for Abdullah, he would be down on his hands and knees praying he'd ride for him at all. Smullen is a world class rider who could ride for absolutely anyone he wants, Weld is poxxed to have him and he realises it too.
There is no way you are privy to what Aidan O Brien gets or doesnt get from stallion fees.
And as for Weld tolerating Smullen riding in Goodwood for Abdullah, he would be down on his hands and knees praying he'd ride for him at all. Smullen is a world class rider who could ride for absolutely anyone he wants, Weld is poxxed to have him and he realises it too.
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