....Prime Time .....

A lot of the politicians now screaming for a yes vote are the same shifty crew that promised Ireland a Utopia for passing Lisbon 2,dante's inferno followed that,a near decade of misery and hardship for many.

Some like to be on the winning side alright.

Still your classic fluffy line will live on " if two people love each other " it will probably be dusted down when the Gay Lobby press on with more demands.

Who is going to fund the demands for these married gays to acquire children
What poverty stricken girl will be lined up for use of her womb.

Is there a hidden agenda though , the removel of the word Natural from the Constition is setting alarm bells ringing for many people , why would you want THAT word removed ?...

^^^ is there some child after hacking wonkys account ^^^^, for his sake i hope so.

I don't know what would be the going rate there,i'd imagine there would be plenty of "poverty stricken girls" in this climate. Would they have a case for counselling in later years due to that they had stronger maternal feelings than they allowed for? I think that would be a fairly high percentage.Your idyllic avatar scenario Oz will be at some cost.

not like male and female couples who can't have kids have never uses surrogate mothers now is it??

Yeah but that is the way it has been since mankind began Premier,the natural balance of a father and mother, a child's right imo.

So this poverty stricken girl rubbish has nothing to do with same sex couples as it can happen too when a male / female couple cannot conceive

It does Premier,do you think the demand could be quite high as obviously conception is out of the question.

You're just making presumptions, what may happen, then again who expected homophobic bigots to come up with anything less

As it is I ideally do think a child should have a mother and a father but it does not guarantee a better or more stable upbringing

Bit harsh with the name calling Premier,i think it is a valid presumption nevertheless and potentially a can of worms,i don't dispute that a child may well be better off with a gay couple in a lot of cases but believe the child is fundamentally better with a father and a mother.

Obvious from here Ireland has its own "tae and hang sandwiches party" what I would regard as lacking in humanity.....immigrants, trans-gender, any totem pole you want to climb

Republicans lost the Supreme Court in the US many years ago, still haven't gotten over it and come back fighting against the majority will all the time. Same in Ireland................

From EEC membership to treaty after treaty referenda, contraception, divorce the decline of religious fundamentalism; people want the "dark ages" and isolationism and the priest in the corner in his pomp.

Its my misfortune to hail from this generation and Ireland will be a better place when we have gone.

Perhaps you feel it is but you must surely see that a lot of you do come across like that, I really don't know why it grates all you so much? Who cares if gay people want to marry, what difference is it going to make to your life as I presume a hetrosexual male?

Personally I could not care myself and would not bother having arguments on the matter if those on the "no" side actually put up a decent reason for the way they're going to vote

Don't think anyone wants to return to them days(the iron fist of the Catholic Church) as such RA though the main loss seems to be morals generally have declined. Sorry to see you added Ireland will be a better place when you(we) are gone,doubt it as you seem to have high standards.
I did pose the question at 10.50 Premier,it is something i am unsure about.

There's not a family I know that are not affected by the "trauma" of a gay son or daughter. Living in (relatively) rural Ireland the stigma attaching to this is still enormous and the parents and grandparents are usually bereft. People have coping mechanisms but there always seems to be the sadness in the eye whenever such loved children are mentioned. Its usually beyond comprehension and family seek solace in blame. (Off hand I can think of a farmer neighbours son and the stellar academic daughter of a good friend who both took years to accept their "fate").


I think many will vote "yes" who may have qualms about the so-called "promotion" of the LGBT lifestyle but anyone reading the personal histories of those outed as teenagers or forced to flee abroad to find an accepting home must vote for change because the dreaded gay person is probably living closer to you think you think.

For all the fine arguments of the no side I will be utterly ashamed if this country fails to vote YES.

Bravo!  RA, Bravo!

f he was abandoned at birth Oz maybe the authorities had a duty to place him with a mother and a father?

Thankfully the enlightened Swedish authorities, backed by Swedish law since 2003, feel differently.

What exactly are Jonas and Lars lacking?  Breast milk is the only thing I can think of, and Erik was past that stage by the time they got him.

They are in the process of adopting a second child, I can happily report, an African Girl.  I will be sure to post a photo, once I have it!

R.A. your reference to the Priest in the corner would hold up in most religions ,I .E Islam , Mormon , Prod etc , etc, all have their problems with staff , it begs the question , are these people really Paedophiles , or are they Homosexuals ..The reason I ask is , most Priests seem to have a preference for young BOYS from what we read in the press , young Girls don't seem to get the same attenion from these Priests .  So do you think the reason is that they were REALLY homosexuals and were simply attracted to Boys .  ?..

One thing about the Yes group here is they are nearly all without issue.

Jonas and Lars will be purchasing this unfortunate African girl.
The word orphan had to change its meaning to facilitate the amount of celebrities getting their trophy  child in Africa.

Royal Academy definition of Trauma is a lot different than mine.

What is the difference between Civil Union and Gay marriage.
We were told that Civil Union was a great thing this guaranteed them inheritance rights and acknowledged them as next of kin.
RTE had a couple of newsreaders on chat shows and a some other couples telling us how great these civil unions are but as usual these lobbies never go away.
When they get this Yes vote through they will celebrate for awhile but then a new campaign will start,more than likely a request for polygamy.

Its not anti gay to think a child is entitled to know his mother and father.
The two prominent advocates of a No vote on The Late Late Show debate were gay,they get the No sides point.

I pose this question genuinely what is so wrong with the Civil Union rules brought in with great fanfare,why the need to change the definition of marriage.

What is the difference between Civil Union and Gay marriage.


Fair enough then, if that's how you fell you'll be voting "yes" then, sure what's the difference?

Premier is so angry that after his bout of name calling he fails to realise that I was posing a question to the Yes side.

I am not angry at all, I know what the result will be come May 22nd and I think it will be somebody else who will be angry, the person who starts threads daily and now is basically begging people to vote the way he is as he knows he is clearly in the minority and the rest of the country is not as backward as him

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/generation-emigration/i-needed-to-leave-ireland-to-come-out-as-a-gay-man-1.2200482

A heart warming story abut a Tullamore lad and his romantic coming of age moment in Guatemala, a romp in Buenos Aires and his experiences on Grindr in NY.

He concludes....

I love my country. I wear my nationality as a badge of pride whenever I go anywhere. Around the globe people are happy to meet me - they smile when they hear where I’m from, because Ireland is known as the land of a thousand welcomes. I hope that after the referendum, I’ll feel welcome there too.

Premier can't help himself,a bit of triumphalism followed by labelling any alternative opinion as backward.

Some fluffy story from Ozymandius that's not relevant to the debate.

Still no answer to my question so I will ask it again.

What do the Yes side see as the difference between Civil Union and Gay Marriage ?

fluffy? 

You are up in arms on a daily basis about young talent emigrating... but when a brght young lad emigrates because of backward national attidudes towards his sexuality...you dismiss it as fluffy?

I suppose you think the country is better off without his 'kind'.

He is getting angry now, I have visions of him banging the keyboard

Why does he need the definition of marriage to change for him to feel welcome.

Any chance you will try and answer the question posed

Heaven help us if he is ever on the winning side of a referendum.....always defaults to the losing No side...or as RA put it....he wants us rooted in the Dark Ages

I was on the winning side once,the victory didnt last long though,they made us vote again til we got it right.

Have no doubt if the miracle happened and the Nos won,we would be doing it again inside two years.

There will be no miracle, Darling.

That post is very well put by Royal Academy, haven't been following this as closely as some as I feel it isn't my fight as such but RA's is by far the best and most authentic sounding account of the human aspect I have read.

I understand there are negatives to it, but I will be voting yes on the basis that I don't like the idea of telling two consenting adults what they can't do, you'd also hope that it would make them feel that bit more included in Irish society if they don't feel that already.

I think most of us can foresee issues and maybe a bit of heartache is inevitable down the line with single-sex families for some when the kids are old enough to understand their providence shall we say. But they'll have to bear that and hopefully remember the good reasons their parents decided to have children.

In short, I think on the balance they (Gay,Lesbian,TG) deserve their crack at this.

Neil d is young so not surprised he's voting Yes.

Can he answer the question I posed.
Can he explain why some Gays are against it.

Giving reproduction rights to people who can't reproduce is not a good idea.

I disagree with neil about the merits of royal academy's so called heartfelt posts, I found it both nauseating and insulting in equal measure. To paint out rural Irland as some sort of backward and neanderthal like wild west is only an attempt to rally the troops in the more affluent and liberal south dublin. There are plenty of gay people able to prosper in high profile positions throughout rual ireland i.e donal og cusack from cloyne, we even had a gay rose of tralee this year. Believe it or not RA, we actually have internet access and satelite television down here now so we're not as backward and ignorant as you'd like to make out.

It is disingenuous to paint the issue out as an issue of equality. Gay people have been fully welcomed and integrated into society. Just because someone wants to protect the sanctity of marriage and the family and believes that a child is better served by having both a mother and father does not mean they are necessarily raving homophobes.

No one is stopping that fella fro tullamore from riding every man he meets from here to buenios aries but that doesn't mean we need to completely change the constitution and meaning of parenthood and marriage just to accommodate him. That story had no connection whatsoever to do with the upcoming referendum.

Brilliant post New Approach.

The idea that gay/lesbians suffer in this country is an utter insult. If anything they benefit massively from positive discrimination. The post from RA is emotive guff. Its a totally normal human reaction for parents to be down upon hearing a offspring is gay....the effects (No Grandchildren etc...) are totally understandable on the parents part. This doenst mean they are some backward "Hang and Tae sangwichers" or bigots.

That guff about the clown from tullamore yesterday in the Irish Times was nauseating. Time he grew up and joined the real world.
Pure professional victim...There wasn't a single example in his article of where he was mistreated in his home country.


The elephant in the room is the complete lack of appearence of the leader of this country.....a  civil rights issue as the YESers put it and the taoiseach seemingly unwilling to debate it in public

If his representitive on the panel last night is anything to go by , he his right to keep his head down , She was clueless and more confused than knowledgeable..

I suspect Enda will in the privacy of the polling booth vote No.

When the referndum was first mooted by Gilmore, he proclaimed it the civil rights issue of our generation and what was Endas reaction......

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/enda-and-gilmore-fall-out-over-samesex-marriage-29872790.html

Can see Labour been cast down in next election , them and the Greens will have as many seats ..They failed the working man...

Well they didn't fail you wonks, that is considering you have been on the scratcher all your life.

Thats a classic coming from you , the Mayfield knacker , you have so many signing on names they think you're a whole family ......The Finglas Cowboy makes a appearence , the piebald rider was reading the Mirror this morning and was hoping to inform Ozy of a story NOT about a certain journo ,of course he failed as his obsession won't allow him though , btw saw your hero at the Curragh on Mon ..Thats the place past Ballymun then you head out the Naas road , one day hopefully your pony will take you...

You'd know the curragh well wonks, I think you cleaned out stables for a few years when you were younger down there. That is before you saw the light and "retired ". You must have drawn millions off the state since then, certainly if you include the whole mob.

There are plenty of gay people able to prosper in high profile positions throughout rual ireland i.e donal og cusack from cloyne, we even had a gay rose of tralee this year.

Geez...what a couple of examples...Donal Og was 25 and an established star before he came out and yer wan the Beauty Queen didn't come forward with her sexuality till the day after she won.  So an amateur sportsmsn and a Beauty Queen , both of whom chose to hide their sexuality (ask urself why) are your best examples of gays prospering in Rural Ireland.

FFS...says it all really.

Its a totally normal human reaction for parents to be down upon hearing a offspring is gay.  A perfect example of the mentality that needs to change.

The idea that gay/lesbians suffer in this country is an utter insult.

I am flabergasted that anyone would believe this.  Homophobia is rife in almost all sections of society.  Read the stories and experiences of Gay people.

When you think of all the wide ranging insults that have been fired at poor Wonks over the years, from his pov the greatest slur of all was that one of his sons was gay.

That's terrifying.  I mean its not a slur or insult at all.  But his thinking is par for the course.

speaking of gays prospering in Rural Ireland even Mincer in Chief H

speaking of gays prospering in Rural Ireland, even Hotelier Francis Brennan has yet to publicly come out of the closet. Dear oh dear.

Donal Og on the subject:

He was 6,000 miles away from home in South Africa when his sister Treasa rang him at his hotel to inform him that rumours were swirling around at home that he was gay.

He flew home to tell his family personally knowing that his father in particular would take the news very hard.

“Now my father is a man who would fight for his family but he's 63 years of age. He's a crane driver. Building sites can be cruel, hard places, he didn't need this,” he said.

When he did come out and tell them “the other, secret story of this son they had reared in this house,” his father started asking questions, he recalled.

“There was confusion in every line of his face.

“He said he was a man of the world, and that he had lived and worked in London for 10 years but he thought, well, if he had a son like this, he would dress differently and behave differently, “ he said.

“‘They all have square jaws,’” he said at one point. ‘But you don't. You're into hurling,’” he quoted his father as saying.

“Then he said: ‘Right, you know the way we need to deal with this? You need to get fixed.’”

Later, once the shock had subsided, Donal revealed how his father warned him he faced a hard road ahead.

“He shook his head slowly and said: ‘Like f*** it, Donal Og, the abuse you're going to get about this.”

Maybe Donal og (the television personality, retired from hurling) didn't realise he was gay until he was 25, like pat carey didn't realise he was gay until he was in his sixties. There are plenty gay people in positions of authority who wouldn't be well known. Your ignorance suggests out that everywhere outside the pale is full of backwoodsman who are still living in caves and hunting wild animals for food. It's a similar sort of superior, arrogant attitude which saw Aodhan O Riordan say that Monaghan was full of homophobes.

My ignorance??????  You are the one who asserts that;

Gay people have been fully welcomed and integrated into society

That statement is completely at odds with the experiences of the LGBT community.  read their experiences, walk a mile in their Manolo Blahniks (a make of shoes).

Its a totally normal human reaction for parents to be down upon hearing a offspring is gay.  A perfect example of the mentality that needs to change.

Why, its a completely normal human reaction. Nothing wrong with it. Completely understandable. Much like when an offsping doesnt marry. The same dissapointment would be there, it isn't homphobia



I am flabergasted that anyone would believe this.  Homophobia is rife in almost all sections of society.  Read the stories and experiences of Gay people.

Give us some examples of this homophobia

Take the guy from Tullamore......He claims he had to leave the country to come out. He comes back announces hes gay and what happens? NOTHING, not a single example of homophobia and bigotry....

Problem is he has pre-empted the reaction that gays and lesbians are infatuated about....that negative reaction they imagine but never happens.

The disappointment that they aren't the centre of the universe means they start whinging and labeling people....typical liberals

Paranoia is terrible....everyones a homophobe

Agree with Newsapproach and racingqueen there.
TV3 debate on this just starting.

Give us some examples of this homophobia

http://reallyopen.com/understanding

Take some data from Canada for examplel

In comparison to heterosexuals, homosexuals are 2.5 times more likely and bisexuals 4 times more likely to be victims of violent crime. 1

In 2010, 16% of hate crimes reported in Canada were motivated by sexual orientation.2 In 2009, this rate was 13 %.3

In the workplace, one quarter of people who are LGBT conceal their sexual orientation from all or most of their colleagues. Less than one quarter are open about their orientation. In 40% of cases, people conceal their orientation when there are indications it will not be accepted, and in 33% of cases, they do so because a colleague is homophobic.

In secondary schools, 38.6% of students are victims of homophobia, through insults, teasing, exclusion, etc. Absenteeism among these students is twice that of other students. Children who are victims of homophobia have a weaker sense of belonging, and their academic goals are less well defined.

Here are some Irish example of same

http://www.thejournal.ie/homophobia-1329801-Feb2014/

Give the ould google a rest will ya.

“He shook his head slowly and said: ‘Like f*** it, Donal Og, the abuse you're going to get about this.”

And how much abuse did he get.......F**k all...

He got massive support for coming out in this country

From the above article;

Keith in Ireland;

I never experienced it physically. Although when young and insecure, I was painfully aware of how name calling and physical abuse would be used on others who had behaviours based on stereotypes. When closeted, my family and friends spoke negatively of and made fun of homosexuals. This really hurt and delayed my coming out. When I did come out, I was informed by many that I couldn’t be gay because I didn’t act like ‘them’!

I grew up in a working class area and somehow a relationship developed with my best mate and later love of my life. He was a very talented footballer and very masculine, like myself. We both worked as apprentices in the building trade. He couldn’t handle the negative stereotypes and society judging him and looking down upon him for being gay. Eventually, he had enough of all that and hung himself. His 12-year-old brother found his body.

Pat O’Donnell

As a gay man in his 40s, this is the homophobia I have faced in my life. In no particular order:

Name calling and physical attack in a Catholic-run school while the principal ignored my complaints and told me to act more like a man;
Having a friend punched in the face and his nose broken when set upon by thugs shouting ‘****g ****’ outside a local chipper;
Having my nephew being told in school by a priest that homosexuality was wrong and he should pray for me;
Having my sexuality as a topic of discussion in the workplace;
Having people assume I like shipping and fashion as I am gay;
Being dropped from my local GAA team when I came out;
Being told gay people are not suitable for sport;
Being told I do not appear ‘very gay’;
Not being allowed to see a sick partner after an accident in a Catholic-run hospital as I was not next of kin (the family had to approve first);
Being told that my career prospects would be damaged by being out as gay;
People linking homosexuality with paedophilia in my presence;
Having media articles discussing how to make me a lesser citizen of Ireland;
Being told I am lucky to live in a society that allows homosexuality;
Being put at the ‘gay’ table at weddings;
Being asked how I know for certain I am gay if I have not been with a woman;
Not being able to donate blood despite having full health checks;
Being asked to stop coaching kids in GAA after I came out;
Having females say, ‘I want a gay best friend’ or ‘I feel safe with you’;
Being stopped going into a normal bar by bouncers saying, ‘You guys should go to your own places’;
Being asked always if I really booked a double room;
Being asked if I thought about getting a cure.

link doesnt work

that negative reaction they imagine but never happens.

http://www.thejournal.ie/gay-teachers-homophobia-1319137-Feb2014/

* I have been turned down for a promotion I was due and most qualified for in terms of experience and qualifications as my lifestyle is not appropriate;

* The school priest and principal have asked me not to be so public with my partner as it might “upset” the children and their parents (to be clear we live a boringly ordinary country life far from city lights or LGBT activities);

*The Board of Management has advised me verbally “in a nice way” – as they put it – that my lifestyle is not in keeping with the “ethos” of the school and that they could technically fire me as Equality Law does not apply to religious organisations;

* My car has been graffitied in the local village with the word “****”;

I have been jeered at by locals as I walked past the village pub;

Our windows have been egged by local hooligans.

While this is my home town and I – and my partner – seek nothing more than to live a quiet peaceful rural
life, this is not possible. Ninety-nine per cent percent of local people are decent, normal, good people but, of course, if you ever dare to bring up the homophobia issue either they do not believe it is so bad or else they just do not want to get involved. My own GP has told me that by living “openly” with my partner, I court this attention.

Being dropped from my local GAA team when I came out; 

Having females say, ‘I want a gay best friend’ or ‘I feel safe with you’;


Not being able to donate blood despite having full health checks; Homophobia? There has always been certain sectors not allowed to donate blood. If you lived in England at certain periods, you are banned....i suppose thats racism?


They are utterly pathetic examples....im surprised he didnt have his hair pulled ffs

The examples range from the frivolous to the hugely significant.

As a whole the picture they present is damning.

the picture they paint is akin to blondes calling for new laws to be introduced cos they are the butt of jokes

Tom Finnegan is an articulate and intelligent young man,Norris is coming across as per usual odious and the wrong man altotegther on this debate.

Ah yeah, it's just a joke when your employer tells you your job is in danger..just a joke!

What a tool you are.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-young-women-savagely-beaten-in-homophobic-attack-31011386.html

The young women were walking in the direction of a food outlet at approximately 2am when two men began "firing homophobic slurs" at the couple.
"We had literally left our apartment only minutes before when these two grown men started shouting abuse at us about being lesbians," Tipperary-born Roisin said.
"Initially we shouted back as we are used to this kind of abuse - but then they walked back towards us and started shoving us roughly."
The young women have described the men as being aged in their early to mid-20s and said they were "well-dressed, as if coming back from a night out".
The verbal abuse quickly escalated to physical violence, according to Ms Murphy, who is originally from Newcastle West.
"Suddenly, the men pushed us to the ground. They were stepping on our chests, they kneed and kicked us," the student said.
The men appeared to leave after approximately ten minutes - after taking the girls' hats - but one returned "which was the worst part" of the assault, according to Ms Prendergast.
"We thought it was over. Then one guy came back, threw Ciara against a shop window and ripped up her hat in front of her," she said.
When the unprovoked vicious attack was finally over, Ms Murphy lay unconscious on the street following a knock to her head, while Ms Prendergast had been beaten and was in shock beside her.
Two passers-by came upon the young women some time later and immediately alerted the emergency services and the gardai, who responded to the scene.
Gardai have launched an investigation into the incident - but they say that the CCTV footage on the street of the incident is of too poor quality to be used for identification purposes.
The two women said they are overwhelmed with the support they have received on social media following the attack.
"So far we have no information as to who the two men are. But we have been inundated with messages of support," said Ms Prendergast.
Sunday Independent

Roisin Prendergast (20) and her girlfriend 17-year-old Ciara Murphy were left bleeding and unconscious following an unprovoked attack on Cruises Street in Limerick last Sunday week.

^^^^^^^^

in the interest of balance, to show that it isn't confined to rural areas.

Oh dear ozy you seem very angry. Poor pats being called names?? Maybe he should grow a back bone and go to his local children's hospital or cancer ward to see people really deserving sympathy. Being dropped off his gaa team? Maybe he just didn't cut the mustard anymore and someone was better than him.....typical liberal always blame others

As for the Limerick story above, hardly the first attack to happen in that city. sounds like drunken behaviour. Would it be in the papers if they were called fat or redheads instead of lesbians? I doubt it. Just another pr article for the liberals. Plenty of assaults every weekend in this country don't get mentioned

It's great so far though we have 2 examples of homophobia in Ireland

" having my nephew told by a priest that homosexuality is wrong "

This is put up by Ozymandius as an example of the terrible things endured by Gays.
It will shortly be a crime here but this is just the Catholic position,homosexual acts are a sin.

The religion of peace so beloved by Ozymandius don't teach that they are a bit more severe,rather than wrong they say punishable by death.

That might be relevant if we were living in Saudi Arabia.  We're not.  Nor is Shari Law imminent in Ireland as you maintain.  It's frankly pathetic how you shoehorn your Islamaphoba into every discusssion.

You repeatedy claim that I love Islam...I don't give a t0ss about Islam...my stance on their religion is perfectly clear and straightforward...it is essential to distinguish between Fundamentalist Muslims and ordinary everyday Muslims.  They are a breed apart no matter how often you claim otherwise.

Your like the Labour Party you have a soft spot for them.

You were grief stricken when some Irish Jihadists were killed in Syria.
You were bleating about a Muslim family jailed for rioting in Egypt.

You hate your own and love the strange.

I am Tory through and through, I have no time for the Labour party whatsoever.  Am praying for a good show from Dave today, I think he has done an excellent job to date.

I recall nothing about the next two claims.

I look at the person first, not the passport.  Without wishing to sound pompous, being younger, more broad minded and more widely travelled than you, what might appear strange and foreign to you, is ordinary and every day to me.

I'm actually off to New Zealand next month for three weeks,my eldest granddaughter is working in Christchurch.

I'm more widely travelled than you think.

Enjoy, nice city, closest country you will find to Ireland.

Where are you stopping en route?

Enjoy, nice city, closest country you will find to Ireland.

Where are you stopping en route?

Ozy going to pm you ..

I'm not sure,that's the bit I don't like.

I think its Dubai,Singapore and Sydney,its 25 hours spent in the air.

Cheers Wonks, I could do with a winner!

Keep a low profile in Dubai anyway Wildman,have a good trip in NZ.

are you stopping off for a mooch around any of those spots.

between the Quuuuaaars in Sydney and the Muslims in Dubai, you might feel safest in Singapore.  The humidity will get you there though...if it ain't one thing its another!

You are putting me off my trip.

I will take me chances with those lads in Sydney,they don't want to put me in an orange boiler suit.

If you are passing through Dubai on a Friday (a holy day and holiday) stop off for the legendary free flow champagne brunches in many of the Hotels.  Highlght of the week.

Lads Ozy post of 22/6...22.20 has made me angry ,me and himself agreed to no mentioning of family on here.  As you can see he has broken the rules ,so over the next while I am going to make the weirdos life hell ,please except my apoligiges lads but it has to be done...Ozy be prepared...

Quick, someone phone the asylum, breakdown imminent.

Norma , was your Mother so disappointed with you that She couldn't stand the thought of her SON been gay , that she had to drink herself to death ..Drink driving while her mind was in tatters at the faith handed out to her ...Just wondering mate...

When you think of all the wide ranging insults that have been fired at poor Wonks over the years, from his pov the greatest slur of all was that one of his sons was gay.

That's terrifying.  I mean its not a slur or insult at all.  But his thinking is par for the course.

As I have explained to you by PM, it was a once off remark to illustrate a pertinent example of Homophobia in Irish Society.  I never claimed that they slurs were true....I don't know if they are or aren't.....either way  it shouldnt really bother you..

Your OTT reacions, and threats to 'drive me from the forum' are laughable.  Go ahead ..make a fool of yourself..you might as well tattoo Homophobe on your forhead!

my Darling Mother wouldn't have given two hoots if I was gay

You probably would have thrown your poor lad out of the house or told him to go and get cured

Parenting, eh?

Dont mind being gay,Wonks would definitely throw him out if he didnt get half his dole off him.

Never been to New Zeland myself Wildman, im told  fair minded people; also the 1st country to give women the the vote.

also the 1st country to give women the the vote.

ffs frank don't turn him off the place, he might not go then

The poor Woman thought her luck was right out ,not only was her son gay , but would need a wheelchair into the bargain , and what did poor PAPPA think ?

Go and sleep it off wonky, you are making an idiot of yourself.

Pie , it has nothing to do with you , keep out of it , the pig is going to get what he deserves ...

I'd advise you to go and seek help, but it looks like you are a lost cause. Seriously though wonks,and im sure i speak for even your pals on here, pack it in as you are shaming yourself.

Funny how you always defend your bum friend , is there something you want to tell us ?

Morning, Wonks.

How are we feeling today?

Just on Limerick Racingqueen. No it is not great, but in my experience the big country garrison towns are a lot worse. I've been for pints in Tipp Town and Clonmel having played soccer there and both places are dog ****g rough. Pal of mine got his face reconfigured in Waherford, 3 years in college in Limerick and never had a problem.

Bottom line, it happens everywhere; but I think you're less likely to get the **** kicked out of ya on a night out in Limerick (if ya stick to the established places) than many other towns, maybe if only for the fact that there are more Gards and doormen.

Notice a lot of lairy Northern lads getting pissed off at the hipsters in Galway. They'd be right, too.

Another staple out there is the old lad giving out **** to the brash yank smoking a cigar whilsht taking a piss.