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National Online Gambling Survey (Ireland). Please read...
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That was the way the survey was painted and did indeed led a person down "the sad loser" road with the questions asked,he was entitled to his reply imo.
Is it a survey for gamblers or addicts? I think it is for gamblers according to the headline,he answered as a gambler as did i. Nothing wrong with his suggesting of trying to turn bad gamblers into better ones,though can't work on moral issues unfortunately,those with an addiction have only one option and that is to stop, the final result of this survey won't be a true picture as once again and am emphasising this for your benefit is the questions are skewed. |
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It written on the cover ffs;
For the vulnerable gambling can be fatal. We are seeing a big increase in numbers of patients coming to our clinics in very serious difficulty with gambling and other online addictions. But we have no data to make sense of the causes and plan treatment response! We need to get as much data as possible so clinicians can develop better treatment responses. We are a community of committed medical researchers in University College Dublin and St John of God Hospital who are building tools and techniques to help save the lives of those suffering from addiction. Doctor Colin O’Gara is leading our team. He is a Consultant Psychiatrist and addiction specialist in St. John of God Hospital in Stillorgan, Co Dublin and Senior Lecturer in University College Dublin. I certainly didn't feel like a sad loser having completed it, what were you hoping for, an ego boost telling you how brilliant a gambler you are ? It a basic, first step, data compilation survey FFS not a cure all suits -all document. How long and complex d you expect it to be? It overly long as it is; people dont bother completing it if t goes beyond a certain length. |
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oxz id say its more aimed at poker and slot people to be honest.i took it and i felt it was in the main not relevant to me....but then if it does any good overall its a good thing..and kinskem makes good and relevant points about it also..
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Nothing wrong with his suggesting of trying to turn bad gamblers into better ones Nothing wrong with it other than it is irrevelant to the core subject at hand here of addiction. Winning helps financally but does not preclude many of the negative affects of addiction, in fact it may just serve to prolong the damage being done.
those with an addiction have only one option and that is to stop It about how best to get people to stop by first building an empirical understanding of the addiction problem, its underlying causes and impacts. Also know as basic research. |
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Why do people expect it to be tailored specifically to them, it a generic catch-all basic piece of research? Several people do play poker on here, I hope no one play slots, but who knows?
If the survey was specifically tailored at 'Sport Betting', then I could understand people's frustrations. It's not! There are several elements of the survey that do directly apply to Sports bettors, however. Fret not about the parts that don't directly apply. |
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So it isn't really a gambling survey but a gambling addicts one?
Said it earlier on the thread that these "arcade games" should be outlawed on the grounds of social conscience as it isn't gambling at all,only hope for that is if Sinn Fein gets in. That in itself would solve a lot in that direction. |
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So it isn't really a gambling survey but a gambling addicts one?
It's a gambling survey whose purpose is to build an empirical base of data to better understanding the addiction problem, its underlying causes and impacts. Hopefully this better understanding can lead to improved treatment of the problem. |
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Tell the "good doctor" the bookmakers are mad trying to hook you onto "arcade games" by every dirty trick in the book,free spins,promotions,excessive advertising and are catching the gullible with them,that's it in a nutshell. You cannot beat a machine.
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A ground breaking insight and revelation, Pa. It may well put you in line for some award.
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No worries Oz,tis empirical like. It is going on unchecked,it's sad and morally wrong to me.
I,ve nothing more to add on this thread. |
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Gosh, now even the word 'empirical' upsets you. You need to sort out those chips on your shoulder, Pa.
Any insight into the issue of addiction in sports gambling, or is that a bit too close to home? |
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Empirical was apt in the circumstances and just a bit of plagiarism.
Not close to home at all,no need to be so presumptive,no meaningful insight into that though as can only speak for myself,i enjoy it(sports betting) though a bad run is no fun,timewise prefer to study rather than watch a lot of the krap that is on the telly,keeps the brain working a bit as ask a lot of questions. Am i addicted? probably,with golf certainly as love a bet in it though with that always within my means. |
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same as that pa..i have a few people id listen to ( on and off here).a few systems i use for laying etc( occurs not very frequently).i also enjoy watching golf and gaa a lot.therefore i bet on those for leisure.i feel im reasonably ahead of the break even line.maybe not by much...gambling is part of my life and always will be.but i havent a "problem".the vast majority of problems are the arcade and machine punters.the "crack cocaine" of gambling.ill be over in liverpool next week and the offices there are dispicable places to have to go into with the fbots(poor folk that are hooked on them ) etc..
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Just bringing this back to the top. It may not be completely to everyone's liking but I believe it is a step in the right direction to help provide information on the online gambling habits of all of us.
Well done to everyone who has taken the 5 minutes or so to take the survey so far. |
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kincsem, did you manage to make contact with Dr. O' Gara regarding your queries on the gambling survey ?
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Just bringing this thread back to the top. Well done and thanks to everyone who has completed the survey so far :
The survey is completely confidential and anonymous. Its purpose is to give the researchers information about online gambling in Ireland. The information provided will also help those treating gambling addiction to develop better treatment responses. Well worth 5 minutes of our time to complete. http://gamblingsurvey.ie/ |
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Did anyone get a hold of (great irish phrase!) da bold Doctor?
He relly should read this thread. |
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From today's Irish Times :
As betting moves out of the bookies’ and on to the mobile phone, a new kind of gambling addict is emerging. Who are the losers and winners in Ireland’s fast-changing gambling world? http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/gambling-24-7-the-addiction-ireland-doesn-t-know-enough-about-1.2214278 |
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People like these sad loser lost it all gambling stories, and the media supply them.
Log on to the Hendon Mob or Pocket5s to find the names of big poker winners in Ireland. Big wins are disappointing. Crippling losses are more comforting. I didn't get in contact with the doctor running the survey. My e-mail was bounced as undeliverable. Good luck to him with his niche business making money out of bad gamblers. |
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Storm The Stars is interesting for the Epsom Derby at 80s, although he might not run.
He is entered in the Cocked hat Stakes at Goodwood on Friday 22nd May. Troy won that race before winning the Derby. I have place laid Golden Horn in the Derby as I guess he won't get the distance. I might need to contact the doctor afterwards. Does he do free consultations? 20/1 against. |
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enquiries@sjoghospital.ie
school.medicine@ucd.ie Both working fine. I find your attitude (and misplaced anger) very strange, Kinscem, its akin to Borneo suggesting that Mental Illness doesn't exist. |
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Norma , you confirm that it DOES indeed exist..
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Compulsion is a different thing and very sad.
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I have misplaced anger?
The survey starts with this statement ............ Gambling is a serious addiction and can end in suicide He is saying if you gamble you are an addict and a potential suicide. Medical Council: The objective of the Medical Council is to protect the public by promoting and better ensuring high standards of professional conduct and professional education, The Medical Council could ask this person to explain his comments. |
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He is saying if you gamble you are an addict and a potential suicide.
Don't be daft, man. People are addicted to gambling, that's a fact, it is an addiction. Which is quite different from saying all gamblers are addicts. And there have been plenty of related suicides. No idea why you have your bee in your bonnet. Gambling addiction is a serious problem, such people need help, this guy is a qualified addiction expert trying to learn more abut gambling habits. And you have him down as some ant-christ. I really don't get it. |
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The UK's "Gamcare" site answers a lot of the questions the good doctor wanted to know,accept it is the UK.
Repeating myself from earlier in the thread but was also a point Kinscem made is that the survey was very skewed,the answers are what the doctor wants imo though while accept that a percentage have genuine problems, another percentage will fall into the addiction category when in again my opinion they would be sensible enough in their gambling. Meanwhile (and particulary on this site) being constantly bombarded with "carrots" to "play" arcade games like slots etc,that is a timebomb,fook gay marriage, the goverment have a social obligation to do something about this. |
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Ozymandius
You changed the statement on the survey which is Gambling is a serious addiction and can end in suicide I do not need your interpretation of what he is saying. I use his words, and those words are wrong. Gambling is not a serious addiction. You spend your time attacking me saying I am "daft", have "misplaced anger", have a "bee in your bonnet", " have him down as some ant-christ" while you do nothing to counter the bias and erroneous statements in the survey. The gambling survey linked in the opening post assumes people who bet have a gambling problem, and the survey displays a lack of knowledge. You spend your time on the forum attacking posters, but you do not discuss the content of their posts. I prefer the more open-minded approach of the psychologist mentioned in page 125 of Nick Mordin's Betting For A Living. "Dr Howard Sartin is an American behavioural psychologist who years ago was set the task of counselling a group of problem gamblers. The normal routine would be for the psychologist to get the poor souls to admit that they were addicted to gambling and that it was not only ruining their lives but those of their loved ones too. Therapy would then proceed to the point where the sufferers could stride out into the clean fresh air, free from the shackles of their gambling compulsion. As I say, that would be the normal routine. But Dr Sartin is not a normal behavioural psychologist. He is refreshingly open to new ideas - and he certainly came up with a very new idea after a few group therapy sessions with his problem gamblers. He had the insight to perceive what you or I could have told him from the start, but what few psychologists would have dared to think: He saw that his patients' problem was not gambling but losing. Dr Sartin then went on to develop what he called "Win Therapy". A vital component of "Win Therapy" is that patients must bet two horses per race. This overcame the emotional problems with long losing streaks by increasing the win percentage dramatically" |
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I would agree with kincsem regarding his comments concerning the statement on the opening page of the survey ie. "Gambling is a serious addiction and can end in suicide". It should read something like "Gambling can be a serious addiction and can end in suicide". This does not, however, take away from the overall merit of the survey in providing information to researchers that will help them in treating gambling addiction in Ireland.
There is much to be done to educate people about the realities of present-day gambling. There is also a need for betting organisations across the board to provide their customers with readily available information that will help those customers exercise sufficient control over their gambling. |
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It should read something like "Gambling can be a serious addiction and can end in suicide".
It should, agreed, but this is pure semantics...we all know what he means. And for this Kinscem wants to reprt him to the Medical Council? Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees. There is a big issue at play here. |
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The UK's "Gamcare" site answers a lot of the questions the good doctor wanted to know,accept it is the UK
It's not about answering questions, it's about gathering data. It's a survey And as I pointed out several times, it's an initial broad brushed attempt at doing so. Don't expect advanced, targeted questions in an opening survey. This is backed up by what the Doctor says in his interview above. Calling him the 'good'' Doctor is just indicative of the well-worn chip on Lapysy's shoulder regarding anyone educated or belonging to the professional classes. |
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I drink, but I don't get offended by anyone attempting to help those with drink problems.
I don't get up on my high horse and ...say...ooooh....he doesn't understand drinking, he doesn't realise that all drinkers don't have problems...he is trying to group all drinkers together...he is trying t profit from alcoholism etc etc etc. Instead, I welcome the attempt to help people with problems. To be offended is by such is most peculiar. |
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Aren't ya very presumptive Oz,what chip? Say a thing often enough even if there is no basis in it whatsoever is your trademark. You handily omit that i said that i thought the survey was skewed and wasn't a fair reflection on a lot who answered it,i ask myself now was it deliberately done so,i don't know but sorry i took it. and that wasn't for the answers i gave.
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Deliberately done..there's that paranoia again!
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Mention of drinking reminds me of a chat I was having with a friend of mine recently. Bear with me on this; I know it's completely impractical and unworkable!
I don't drink anything like I used to in my younger days (and it's always pints) but I was surmising how interesting, and potentially empowering, it would be if every time we had ordered a pint, we would also be given a pint of water and we would pour that pint of water into our own personal bucket at our feet. At the end of the evening we would be able to look at the bucket(s) and see how much we had drunk(hic!). We could then bring our bucket home with us (crash,bang!) and empty it into our specially reserved "Drink Tank"(not the toilet!) with its own measure. Then, as the days and years passed, we could readily see how many pints we had consumed over the period(yikes!). Something similar could be done with smoking and cigarette butts ! Like I said, completely impractical and unworkable. But empowering. So, what of our betting/gambling online ? Completely impractical and unworkable ? On the contrary, this information is held by all online bookmakers but, currently, used solely for their own purpose of customer discrimination and restriction. It could easily be displayed on-screen, at the point of log in, for the benefit of all customers. It would significantly help to promote "Gambling Awareness" and "Responsible Gambling" (hmmm, where have I heard those phrases before). Account Balance : Number of Bets placed : Total Stakes : Total Winnings : |
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I think its an excellent idea, Reb, and you should try to get it in front of relevant people.
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Thanks Ozy.
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I think horseracing should be banned.
its as bad as drug dealing to me. has anyone ever tried to get it banned? If someone did id vote for them |
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Reb, you'll probably find what you wrote there plagiarised in some Sunday column the weekend before next Patrick's Day.
Great Post. |
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I've got no idea what you're talking about, Neill!
https://webmail.eircom.net/service/home/~/08032015.pdf?auth=co&loc=en_GB&id=179720&part=2 |
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Ditto
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