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Came across this recently. The survey is completely confidential and anonymous. Its purpose is to give the researchers information about online gambling in Ireland. The information provided will also help those treating gambling addiction to develop better treatment responses.

Well worth 5 minutes of our time to complete.


http://gamblingsurvey.ie/
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Report kincsem March 28, 2015 4:31 PM GMT
You want us to fill out a survey that paints us as sad losers who need help to conquer an addiction that is ruining our lives?
The second word is off.
Report Ozymandius March 28, 2015 5:27 PM GMT
No problem, Reb, happy to help the treatment of those in the gambling community who happen to need it.
Report pa lapsy March 28, 2015 11:00 PM GMT
Reb to an extent i agree with Kincsem,the questions are slanted that way.
Acknowledge there are problems for some with "sports gambling", down the line there are going to be dwarfed by those that have problems with electronic gambling on slots etc, i'd have a feeling that is growing rapidly and worrying,they should be outlawed in my opinion on the grounds of social conscience.
Report frank60 March 29, 2015 12:47 PM BST
Gambling most likely is the worst of all the  addictions, you only have to take a ramble around Dublin city and you can see the problems with drugs ,its there before your very eyes,  Alcohol is the same,.. With gambling you can hide it , Most  people know someone you have lost the trust of there love ones because of gambling , if we are honest with ourselfs we all need to take stock where gambling is conserned, as Del boy would say You know it makes sense!.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 12:59 PM BST
The responses above are telling.  I would urge every one to take the survey, if the questions irritate you I would say its a strong indication that you have a problem.  Looking in a mirror is not always a comfortable exercise.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 2:11 PM BST
The assumption behind these surveys is that all gamblers are losing, and that they have an addiction.
I never see a survey of share investors  or property investors asking them to explain the effect it has on them and on the lives of those around them.
I am retired.  When I worked in industry as an accountant I was surprised at how people spent/invested money (shareholder money, not their own) with little or no assessment of possible outcomes.
There is a lack of practice in the population at assessing risk.   We need more good gamblers.
Report maxheadroom March 29, 2015 2:19 PM BST
if it helps to put some regulations on bookmakers its a good thing. like we will only take your bets if you lose winners not welcome written across the bet slip.knowing how much you have won/lost over the lifetime of the account another good idea.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 5:06 PM BST
I did the survey a few minutes ago.
It is the typical biased survey produced by someone dealing with problem gamblers.

This question gives you a flavour: "How much time do you spend on typical gambling session?"

I do not gamble in sessions.  I know what event interest me.  I do my research.  I go online and bet, I log out.

I live within a mile of where the person who produced the survey works.  I'm tempted to call in and discuss gambling with him, the real world, not the fantasy world in which he lives.  It would be interesting to learn what he knows about the subject.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 5:25 PM BST
What do you think are the aims or purpose of the survey, Kinscem?

What questions would you have liked to or expected to have seen in there?
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 5:35 PM BST
The fact that this question "How much time do you spend on typical gambling session?" upsets you, worries me.

Cleary this is a broad-based catch-all survey designed to include poker players as well as sports bettors.  This question applies directly to them, if not you.  It is not included to irritate or deliberately exclude you.

Were you expecting a tailor-made survey?
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:00 PM BST
I sent an e-mail to the doctor.  I would like to know what he knows about gambling.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 6:06 PM BST
Righto.  I think his field of expertise is probably addiction, but hey ho.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:15 PM BST
Ozymandius
The question "How much time do you spend on typical gambling session?" displays a childish knowledge of gambling.

Last Sunday I played in the $9 million 9th anniversary PokerStars million. It started at 18:30 and I was knocked out at 23:07, 10,554th of 50,432 players shortly after my KK was cracked by QQ in an all-in pre-flop 43,000 pot.  So 4.5 hours?
Today I bet 4 on a race at The Curragh.  It took me 5 minutes to log-in and out.  0.1 hour?
I've invested €400+ in a poker player in the Irish Open this week.  How long is this session?  My time since I met him, my time to decide to bet, my time going to the bank to lodge the money, or the players time in the tournament?  How long?
I've bet €200+ on the US Masters golf and will be more during the week.  How long is this session?  Since I began betting on it on 11th February, or the sum of all the time spent on bets (about 60 tiny bets), or the four days of the event.  How long?

"typical gambling session" does not make sense to me.

The person writing the survey has a fixed idea of someone sitting down at a laptop and gambling continuously at a game of chance until they lose all their money and have regrets.
When I place a bet I have no worries or regrets after.  The worrying is done before the bet.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:16 PM BST
* Today I bet €4 on a race at The Curragh Cool
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:18 PM BST
Just to amuse readers these are the last lines of my e-mail .....................

"The problem is losing, also called bad gambling.
Problem gamblers in my experience do not research, do not specialize.

The market makers take a percentage.  The gamblers compete for 100% minus that percentage.

If someone wants to gamble they need to do a few things
1. bet where the market maker percentage is small
2. bet where there is skill/knowledge not chance
3. have more skill/knowledge than the other gamblers

My guess is you are trying to stop bad gamblers from gambling, and not trying to improve their gambling.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 6:20 PM BST
Its impossible to deliver precise tailored questions in a catch all survey

You would, for example have been able to give a guesstimate to this question, if you were  say, exclusively, a poker player.

Otherwise, its almost impossible to answer, don't fret, simply move onto the next question which may be more applicable.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 6:21 PM BST
What do you think are the aims or purpose of the survey, Kinscem?

What questions would you have liked to or expected to have seen in there?
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 6:30 PM BST
You do realise that successful gamblers can also be classed as addicts?

Helping a losing gambler to win may help him financially but does not deal with his addiction, which can be damaging to  other aspects of his life.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:42 PM BST
Ozymandius
What do you think are the aims or purpose of the survey, Kinscem?
What questions would you have liked to or expected to have seen in there?


Do you specialize in one or more sports or events?
What is your skill/knowledge over the other players in this market?
How much research do you do before each gambling event?
How many years have you spent researching the sport/event?
What resources do you have/use for research? (e.g. books, websites, DVDs, training)
How many factors do you analyse?
Do you analyse all competitors in an event?  Do you research all competitors equally?
Do you research the event after the event is over to see if you can learn from the result?
Is any of your research unique to you / not possessed by others?
Report workrider March 29, 2015 6:42 PM BST
Ozy on a roll , you love asking questions , yet clam up when asked one yourself ..I asked you yesterday if you agreed with the protest against the Norths home match ..Do you agree or like most on here think its a little outdated and time the PROTESTANT RELIGION came to grips with modern day sports people...?
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:43 PM BST
* What is your skill/knowledge advantage over the other players in this market?
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:47 PM BST
I know a poker pro who starts at around 20:00 and ends around 06:00.
If he was a losing player the survey person would say he is a compulsive gambler.
But he is a winner so is of no interest to those who make a living from helping losers.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 6:59 PM BST
Ozymandius
Helping a losing gambler to win may help him financially but does not deal with his addiction, which can be damaging to  other aspects of his life.


I like sports and gambling.  Others might see that as damaging my life as I spend some time at that, and not watching Eastenders, X-factor, sunbathing, Facebook, Twitter, or getting falling-down drunk.
My interests are not confined to betting.  I only bet on major events.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 7:50 PM BST
Your (excellent) questions would be ideal if the premise of the survey  was to disingush between the habits of successful gamblers and unsuccessful gamblers.  It doesn't set out to do that imo.

Its aim is to ask basic questions in order to begin improve the empirical understanding of gambling habits in Ireland, ie what people gamble on, how, and to also to begin to examine basic stimulii, motivations and emotional repsonses to sid gambling.  It's already quite lengthy, no real possibilty to cover more ground or to move on to some of the more advanced topics you would like to see examined.
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 7:58 PM BST
...if you make it too long people give up and don't complete it.
Report workrider March 29, 2015 8:46 PM BST
Well Ozy , you seem to have gone all quiet re that Protestant question , are you one of those who love to preach about the evils of the Catholic Church yet fail to see the failings of other Churches ..Do you agree with the march or not , if no reply then I'll take it as a yes ...
Report Ozymandius March 29, 2015 9:00 PM BST
Sorry Wonks, I give precedence to question that are relevant to the topic at hand.

This is yet another tiresome effort by you introduce a divisive, irrelevant and incendiary topic to a perfectly civil conversation relevant to sports gambling.

I refer you to my answer to this question at 17.11 on a thread started by Kelly yesterday, Look it up if my views on the topic interest you so.
Report workrider March 29, 2015 9:08 PM BST
Typical of you , all you say is you'd play away ...You are obviously AFRAID to commit , sadly all it tells us is that you are a mouthpiece who hides behind the Protestant Church ...
Report boxingthefox March 29, 2015 10:08 PM BST
Sorry to intrude reb, workrider, hows it going, are you well and winning, I emailed you just after crimbo, have you changed your address?.
Report workrider March 29, 2015 10:12 PM BST
Yes boxingthefox , If you pm me I'll give it to you , was talking to Frank today ,his health is a lot better...The sod took a few bob off me into the bargain...Sad
Report workrider March 29, 2015 10:39 PM BST
Boxingthefox ,pm you there , off to bed a long day , night and God bless...
Report boxingthefox March 29, 2015 10:49 PM BST
Cheers workrider, reply sent.
Report kincsem March 29, 2015 11:31 PM BST
My e-mail to the contact e-mail on the gambling survey failed to deliver (see below)


__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  contact@gamblingsurvey.ie
    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO::
    host smtp1r.cp.blacknight.com [81.17.254.9]: 553 sorry, that address is not in my list of allowed recipients; no valid cert for gatewaying (#5.7.1)

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Was it a survey or was it something else?
Report lapsy pa March 30, 2015 12:30 PM BST
^ Not sure what to make of that Kinscem being technically ignorant,surely it couldn't be anything else as no "real" information was given.It seems odd though you cannot contact them.
Report Ozymandius March 30, 2015 12:50 PM BST
This is the head man, handsome devil he is too;

http://www.drcolinogara.com/

Tel: 01 277 1519

He works at, ahem, St John Of Gods and UCD.

enquiries@sjoghospital.ie
school.medicine@ucd.ie

https://ie.linkedin.com/pub/colin-o-gara/59/348/138


Very easy to track down and contact

#sharpminds
Report kincsem March 31, 2015 1:26 AM BST
Thanks for the link.  My guess is it costs plenty to speak to him.
I finished 46th of 3195 in a $11 PokerStars tourney tonight so I am going to lose it all in other tourneys just to fit the public perception of idiot gamblers.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 10:32 AM BST
Get over yourself. 

Naturally, we are all winnners on here, that's well established, though not all feel diminished,threatened or insulted by a harmless survey.  Some even applaud the efforts of those trying to help those with gambling addiction problems.

If you have an issue with what he is trying to do, even in light of all the points raised above, contact the man.  I doubt he will charge you for sending him a letter or an email but if he does I am sure a high roller like yourself is more than capable of absorbing the cost.
Report pa lapsy March 31, 2015 12:04 PM BST
You are very harsh there Oz,i don't think for a second Kinscem feels a bit insulted or threatened or anything else from that survey,he is just saying it as he found it ie slanted towards very probably "arcade" compulsives which i think it was as well.
Very probably didn't give the good doctor the answers he wanted to hear myself,like form study,i do spend a lot of time with it,no regrets as it is a hobby as such and prefer to take the positives out of that.
Maxheadroom's point he took out of the survey that a profit/loss should be prominently displayed on an account is a great point as there is no chance of anyone fooling themselves.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 12:28 PM BST
i don't think for a second Kinscem feels a bit insulted or threatened or anything else

Really?  In his very first post he tells Reb to f**k off, hardly a balanced reply.  He highlighted one question, which because it wasn't specifically tailored to him he found hugely offensive.  He was unable to answer the basic question as to what were the aims or purpose of the study (this would have been a very useful exercise).  Then when the email didn't work, paranoia set in.

Not to mention the absurd notion he put to the 'good Doctor' suggesting that the cure for Addiction was to turn bad gamblers into better gamblers.  He clearly has little or no understanding of the core issue here; addiction.

Very probably didn't give the good doctor the answers he wanted to hear  FFS.  You make out the doctor to be some sort of simpleton.  I am sure he is more than aware that not all Gamblers have addiction problems.

Heaven help us all.
Report pa lapsy March 31, 2015 12:44 PM BST
That was the way the survey was painted and did indeed led a person down "the sad loser" road with the questions asked,he was entitled to his reply imo.
Is it a survey for gamblers or addicts? I think it is for gamblers according to the headline,he answered as a gambler as did i.
Nothing wrong with his suggesting of trying to turn bad gamblers into better ones,though can't work on moral issues unfortunately,those with an addiction have only one option and that is to stop, the final result of this survey won't be a true picture as once again and am emphasising this for your benefit is the questions are skewed.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 12:52 PM BST
It written on the cover ffs;

For the vulnerable gambling can be fatal. We are seeing a big increase in numbers of patients coming to our clinics in very serious difficulty with gambling and other online addictions.
But we have no data to make sense of the causes and plan treatment response!

We need to get as much data as possible so clinicians can develop better treatment responses.

We are a community of committed medical researchers in University College Dublin and St John of God Hospital who are building tools and techniques to help save the lives of those suffering from addiction.

Doctor Colin O’Gara is leading our team. He is a Consultant Psychiatrist and addiction specialist in St. John of God Hospital in Stillorgan, Co Dublin and Senior Lecturer in University College Dublin.


I certainly didn't feel like a sad loser having completed it, what were you hoping for, an ego boost telling you how brilliant a gambler you are ?  It a basic, first step, data compilation survey FFS not a cure all suits -all document.  How long and complex d you expect it to be?  It overly long as it is; people dont bother completing it if t goes beyond a certain length.
Report kavvie March 31, 2015 12:57 PM BST
oxz id say its more aimed at poker and slot people to be honest.i took it and i felt it was in the main not relevant to me....but then if it does any good overall its a good thing..and kinskem makes good and relevant points about it also..
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 12:58 PM BST
Nothing wrong with his suggesting of trying to turn bad gamblers into better ones  Nothing wrong with it other than it is irrevelant to the core subject at hand here of addiction.  Winning helps financally but does not preclude many of the negative affects of addiction, in fact it may just serve to prolong the damage being done.

those with an addiction have only one option and that is to stop It about how best to get people to stop by first building an empirical understanding of the addiction problem, its underlying causes and impacts.

Also know as basic research.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 1:05 PM BST
Why do people expect it to be tailored specifically to them, it a generic catch-all basic piece of research?  Several people do play poker on here, I hope no one play slots, but who knows? 

If the survey was specifically tailored at 'Sport Betting', then I could understand people's frustrations.  It's not!  There are several elements of the survey that do directly apply to Sports bettors, however. Fret not about the parts that don't directly apply.
Report pa lapsy March 31, 2015 1:07 PM BST
So it isn't really a gambling survey but a gambling addicts one?
Said it earlier on the thread that these "arcade games" should be outlawed on the grounds of social conscience as it isn't gambling at all,only hope for that is if Sinn Fein gets in.
That in itself would solve a lot in that direction.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 1:20 PM BST
So it isn't really a gambling survey but a gambling addicts one?

It's a gambling survey whose purpose is to build an empirical base of data to better understanding the addiction problem, its underlying causes and impacts.  Hopefully this better understanding can lead to improved treatment of the problem.
Report pa lapsy March 31, 2015 1:28 PM BST
Tell the "good doctor" the bookmakers are mad trying to hook you onto "arcade games" by every dirty trick in the book,free spins,promotions,excessive advertising and are catching the gullible with them,that's it in a nutshell. You cannot beat a machine.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 1:36 PM BST
A ground breaking insight and revelation, Pa.  It may well put you in line for some award. Plain
Report pa lapsy March 31, 2015 1:44 PM BST
No worries Oz,tis empirical like. It is going on unchecked,it's sad and morally wrong to me.
I,ve nothing more to add on this thread.
Report Ozymandius March 31, 2015 1:51 PM BST
Gosh, now even the word 'empirical' upsets you. You need to sort out those chips on your shoulder, Pa.

Any insight into the issue of addiction in sports gambling, or is that a bit too close to home?
Report pa lapsy March 31, 2015 2:04 PM BST
Empirical was apt in the circumstances and just a bit of plagiarism.
Not close to home at all,no need to be so presumptive,no meaningful insight into that though as can only speak for myself,i enjoy it(sports betting) though a bad run is no fun,timewise prefer to study rather than watch a lot of the krap that is on the telly,keeps the brain working a bit as ask a lot of questions. Am i addicted? probably,with golf certainly as love a bet in it though with that always within my means.
Report kavvie March 31, 2015 3:33 PM BST
same as that pa..i have a few people id listen to ( on and off here).a few systems i use for laying etc( occurs not very frequently).i also enjoy watching golf and gaa a lot.therefore i bet on those for leisure.i feel im reasonably ahead of the break even line.maybe not by much...gambling is part of my life and always will be.but i havent a "problem".the vast majority of problems are the arcade and machine punters.the "crack cocaine" of gambling.ill be over in liverpool next week and the offices there are dispicable places to have to go into with the fbots(poor folk that are hooked on them ) etc..
Report reb April 2, 2015 3:08 PM BST
Just bringing this back to the top. It may not be completely to everyone's liking but I believe it is a step in the right direction to help provide information on the online gambling habits of all of us.

Well done to everyone who has taken the 5 minutes or so to take the survey so far.
Report reb April 12, 2015 12:40 PM BST
kincsem, did you manage to make contact with Dr. O' Gara regarding your queries on the gambling survey ?
Report reb May 11, 2015 11:24 AM BST
Just bringing this thread back to the top. Well done and thanks to everyone who has completed the survey so far :


The survey is completely confidential and anonymous. Its purpose is to give the researchers information about online gambling in Ireland. The information provided will also help those treating gambling addiction to develop better treatment responses.

Well worth 5 minutes of our time to complete.


http://gamblingsurvey.ie/
Report Ozymandius May 11, 2015 11:37 AM BST
Did anyone get a hold of (great irish phrase!) da bold Doctor?

He relly should read this thread.
Report reb May 16, 2015 6:43 PM BST
From today's Irish Times :


As betting moves out of the bookies’ and on to the mobile phone, a new kind of gambling addict is emerging. Who are the losers and winners in Ireland’s fast-changing gambling world?

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/gambling-24-7-the-addiction-...
Report kincsem May 18, 2015 8:42 PM BST
People like these sad loser lost it all gambling stories, and the media supply them.
Log on to the Hendon Mob or Pocket5s to find the names of big poker winners in Ireland.
Big wins are disappointing.  Crippling losses are more comforting.
I didn't get in contact with the doctor running the survey.  My e-mail was bounced as undeliverable.
Good luck to him with his niche business making money out of bad gamblers.
Report kincsem May 18, 2015 8:48 PM BST
Storm The Stars is interesting for the Epsom Derby at 80s, although he might not run.
He is entered in the Cocked hat Stakes at Goodwood on Friday 22nd May.  Troy won that race before winning the Derby.
I have place laid Golden Horn in the Derby as I guess he won't get the distance.
I might need to contact the doctor afterwards.  Does he do free consultations?  20/1 against.
Report Ozymandius May 18, 2015 8:51 PM BST
enquiries@sjoghospital.ie
school.medicine@ucd.ie

Both working fine.

I find your attitude (and misplaced anger) very strange, Kinscem, its akin to Borneo suggesting that Mental Illness doesn't exist.
Report workrider May 18, 2015 9:37 PM BST
Norma , you confirm that it DOES indeed exist..
Report neill d May 18, 2015 11:49 PM BST
Compulsion is a different thing and very sad.
Report kincsem May 19, 2015 2:22 AM BST
I have misplaced anger?
The survey starts with this statement ............ Gambling is a serious addiction and can end in suicide

He is saying if you gamble you are an addict and a potential suicide.
Medical Council: The objective of the Medical Council is to protect the public by promoting and better ensuring high standards of professional conduct and professional education,
The Medical Council could ask this person to explain his comments.
Report Ozymandius May 19, 2015 8:40 AM BST
He is saying if you gamble you are an addict and a potential suicide.

Don't be daft, man.  People are addicted to gambling, that's a fact, it is an addiction.  Which is quite different from saying all gamblers are addicts.  And there have been plenty of related suicides.

No idea why you have your bee in your bonnet.  Gambling addiction is a serious problem, such people need help, this guy is a qualified addiction expert trying to learn more abut gambling habits.

And you have him down as some ant-christ.  I really don't get it.
Report pa lapsy May 19, 2015 10:30 AM BST
The UK's "Gamcare" site answers a lot of the questions the good doctor wanted to know,accept it is the UK.
Repeating myself from earlier in the thread but was also a point Kinscem made is that the survey was very skewed,the answers are what the doctor wants imo though while accept that a percentage have genuine problems, another percentage will fall into the addiction category when in again my opinion they would be sensible enough in their gambling.
Meanwhile (and particulary on this site) being constantly bombarded with "carrots" to "play" arcade games like slots etc,that is a timebomb,fook gay marriage, the goverment have a social obligation to do something about this.
Report kincsem May 19, 2015 2:21 PM BST
Ozymandius
You changed the statement on the survey which is  Gambling is a serious addiction and can end in suicide
I do not need your interpretation of what he is saying.  I use his words, and those words are wrong.  Gambling is not a serious addiction.

You spend your time attacking me saying I am "daft", have "misplaced anger", have a "bee in your bonnet", " have him down as some ant-christ"
while you do nothing to counter the bias and erroneous statements in the survey.

The gambling survey linked in the opening post assumes people who bet have a gambling problem, and the survey displays a lack of knowledge.

You spend your time on the forum attacking posters, but you do not discuss the content of their posts.

I prefer the more open-minded approach of the psychologist mentioned in page 125 of Nick Mordin's Betting For A Living.

"Dr Howard Sartin is an American behavioural psychologist who years ago was set the task of counselling a group of problem gamblers.
The normal routine would be for the psychologist to get the poor souls to admit that they were addicted to gambling and that it was not
only ruining their lives but those of their loved ones too.  Therapy would then proceed to the point where the sufferers could stride out
into the clean fresh air, free from the shackles of their gambling compulsion.
As I say, that would be the normal routine.  But Dr Sartin is not a normal behavioural psychologist.  He is refreshingly open to new ideas -
and he certainly came up with a very new idea after a few group therapy sessions with his problem gamblers.
He had the insight to perceive what you or I could have told him from the start, but what few psychologists would have dared to think:
He saw that his patients' problem was not gambling but losing.
Dr Sartin then went on to develop what he called "Win Therapy".
A vital component of "Win Therapy" is that patients must bet two horses per race.
This overcame the emotional problems with long losing streaks by increasing the win percentage dramatically"
Report reb May 19, 2015 4:16 PM BST
I would agree with kincsem regarding his comments concerning the statement on the opening page of the survey ie. "Gambling is a serious addiction and can end in suicide". It should read something like "Gambling can be a serious addiction and can end in suicide". This does not, however, take away from the overall merit of the survey in providing information to researchers that will help them  in treating gambling addiction in Ireland.

There is much to be done to educate people about the realities of present-day gambling. There is also a need for betting organisations across the board to provide their customers with readily available information that will help those customers exercise sufficient control over their gambling.
Report Ozymandius May 19, 2015 7:13 PM BST
It should read something like "Gambling can be a serious addiction and can end in suicide".

It should, agreed, but this is pure semantics...we all know what he means.

And for this Kinscem wants to reprt him to the Medical Council?  Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees.  There is a big issue at play here.
Report Ozymandius May 19, 2015 7:19 PM BST
The UK's "Gamcare" site answers a lot of the questions the good doctor wanted to know,accept it is the UK

It's not about answering questions, it's about gathering data.  It's a survey

And as I pointed out several times, it's an initial broad brushed attempt at doing so.  Don't expect advanced, targeted questions in an opening survey.  This is backed up by what the Doctor says in his interview above.

Calling him the 'good'' Doctor is just indicative of the well-worn chip on Lapysy's shoulder regarding anyone educated or belonging to the professional classes.
Report Ozymandius May 19, 2015 7:24 PM BST
I drink, but I don't get offended by anyone attempting to help those with drink problems.

I don't get up on my high horse and ...say...ooooh....he doesn't understand drinking,  he doesn't realise that all drinkers don't have problems...he is trying to group all drinkers together...he is trying t profit from alcoholism etc etc etc.

Instead, I welcome the attempt to help people with problems.  To be offended is by such is most peculiar.
Report pa lapsy May 19, 2015 7:33 PM BST
Aren't ya very presumptive Oz,what chip? Say a thing often enough even if there is no basis in it whatsoever is your trademark. You handily omit that i said that i thought the survey was skewed and wasn't a fair reflection on a lot who answered it,i ask myself now was it deliberately done so,i don't know but sorry i took it. and that wasn't for the answers i gave.
Report Ozymandius May 19, 2015 7:55 PM BST
Deliberately done..there's that paranoia again!
Report reb May 20, 2015 12:36 PM BST
Mention of drinking reminds me of a chat I was having with a friend of mine recently. Bear with me on this; I know it's completely impractical and unworkable!

I don't drink anything like I used to in my younger days (and it's always pints) but I was surmising how interesting, and potentially empowering, it would be if every time we had ordered a pint, we would also be given a pint of water and we would pour that pint of water into our own personal bucket at our feet. At the end of the evening we would be able to look at the bucket(s) and see how much we had drunk(hic!). We could then bring our bucket home with us (crash,bang!) and empty it into our specially reserved "Drink Tank"(not the toilet!) with its own measure. Then, as the days and years passed, we could readily see how many pints we had consumed over the period(yikes!).

Something similar could be done with smoking and cigarette butts ! Like I said, completely impractical and unworkable. But empowering.

So, what of our betting/gambling online ? Completely impractical and unworkable ? On the contrary, this information is held by all online bookmakers but, currently, used solely for their own purpose of customer discrimination and restriction. It could easily be displayed on-screen, at the point of log in, for the benefit of all customers. It would significantly help to promote "Gambling Awareness" and "Responsible Gambling" (hmmm, where have I heard those phrases before).



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Report Ozymandius May 20, 2015 2:57 PM BST
I think its an excellent idea, Reb, and you should try to get it in front of relevant people.
Report reb May 20, 2015 3:34 PM BST
Thanks Ozy.
Report getinthere10 May 20, 2015 4:29 PM BST
I think horseracing should be banned.
its as bad as drug dealing to me.
has anyone ever tried to get it banned?
If someone did id vote for them
Report neill d May 20, 2015 4:41 PM BST
Reb, you'll probably find what you wrote there plagiarised in some Sunday column the weekend before next Patrick's Day.

Great Post.
Report reb May 20, 2015 5:27 PM BST
I've got no idea what you're talking about, Neill!



https://webmail.eircom.net/service/home/~/08032015.pdf?auth=co&loc=en_GB&id=179720&part=2
Report frank60 May 20, 2015 5:28 PM BST
Ditto
Report frank60 May 20, 2015 5:28 PM BST
Ditto
Report reb May 20, 2015 5:37 PM BST
Thanks Frank.
Report kincsem May 20, 2015 8:33 PM BST
Quoting from a biography

Blue Book of National Income and Expenditure 1973: Comsumer Expenditure UK 1972:
Alcoholic drink £2948m; Tobacco £1808m; Running costs Motor Vehicles £2147m; Betting/Gaming £397m.

For every £1 spent on gambling in 1967, £1.40 books, papers, magazines, £5.60 tobacco, £5.90 alcoholic drink, £0.70 hairdressing ,manicure, beauticare.

Gambling spend was 22.5p a week for every employed adult, or 9p a week per head of population.
Report reb June 5, 2015 11:39 AM BST
Tackling Online Gambling Addiction


Interview with Dr Colin O' Gara from the Ray Darcy show on Wednesday including discussion of the survey :


http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=9%3A20790977%3A0%3A%3A
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