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.....Be Honest would AP get as many rides .....
.....Be Honest would AP get as many rides .....
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slick hes the greatest dedicated jockey ever lived.but he has got caught out a lot of times in big races inches mean a lot..binocular. my tent or yours.jezki to name but 3 i could go on..
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Big test next Sunday...Gladiator King, Gilgamboa, Golden Ticket, Jezki, Flaming Dawn.
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No bet in it but that was one powerful ride by AP at Doncaster to mug Ruby on the line.
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CRACKING RIDE FROM BOTH JOCKS JEEZ AP SEEMED PLEASED MUG RUBY ON LINE
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TOP JOCK w.r...
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Townend to fox the top two here
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Another top flop from AP today , shocking ride on Jezki ,pulling double with 3 to run , 2 to run still pulling double , Hurricane in trouble behind , kick on tony , kick on ffs ..Holds on to him still turning in , instead of kicking on and gaining 3 lenghts ..He should have put Hurricane to the sword between the last 2 ..JP will be changing his mind about him soon imo...
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McCoy will decide himself when he finishes, cannot see under any circumstances McManus dictating to him.
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Neill he was Shocking today , and I have no axe to grind with the man , why JP takes Walsh off his good runners is beyond a joke ,I backed him in the first and he went from cantering at the last to been all out to get a d/heat ... His habit of letting his mounts jump across hos opponents at the last nearly caused him to lose that race . I for one would not have been surprised if he had been thrown out..Gilgamboa is another he didn't suit ,shortening him up at a lot of his fences instead of letting him go at them ..For me anyway , the difference in his riding here compered to the Uk is massive ...
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it ain't McManus's for I don't think workrider.
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McManus' form*
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Thought the exact same as yourself W/R about him not kicking on with Jezki initially,looking at it a few times after was surprised at how little he had left when challenged,kind of give him the benefit of doubt for that, really should have won the 1st race comfortably enough.
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Neill of course it ain't his form but he will be scratching his head wondering how he lost that today ,Gilgamboa also got a harder race the it should from the champ ,Pa if he had kicked earlier there is no way they would have caught him , remember he was head to head at the last before that terrible blunder , fact is he stays , having won at Fairyhouse over 2.4fur I think it was ...By letting Hurricane get a sighter on him when he should have had a 3 to 4 lenghts lead turning in ..That was the deciding factor ,once it turned into a fight there was always only going to be one winner...
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I would be astonished if JP were to ever sack McCoy Workrider. The man transcends Jump Racing in the UK and will choose his own time to step aside. I'd imagine 99% of the forum would agre.
The question of whether AP is the best man for the job ie(could McManus get a better jockey) is another one. I'd say he probably could but given the incumbents age and standing it is nearly immaterial. |
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Pa pm you there...
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He may not be a good as his Rhinestone cowboy days W/R but still very good,I would like to think that he will know when when to hang up his whip before J.P.and others go elsewhere.
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That would be sad Frank ,as I've said already ,no axe to grind with AP ,just the cracks are showing and have been for a while now...
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Sry w/r wrong song
 make that Wichita Lineman, worth another look on you tube |
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Yes a fantastic ride Frank , yesterdays man now though ,I think they just might compromise and part on the best of terms ...
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Maybe I'm misreading your earlier post work rider but are you saying that if McCoy had kicked on on Jezki that he would have won?
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I think that McCoy sensed Fly was in trouble and actually lit up Jezki too early.
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Yes Tolmi , by hanging on to him he gave Ruby the chance to get back into it ,if you stopped the video before the 2nd last AP was sitting pretty , Ruby rowing along , yes Hurricane always has a tough patch in his races , without a shadow AP should have kicked...
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I couldn't agree with that.He was holding on to nothing in my opinion.What I thought was very disappointing was that when he was joined and McCoy pressed the button he couldn't even stay with a horse who had been off the bridle for 3 furlongs.I think if he kicked earler off that gallop he would have fallen in a hole altogether.
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Think certain jockeys get the best out of certain horses and at this level it can make a huge difference, as a punter always like having AP on my side but it's clear to anybody that Barry G gets the best out of the horse, JP is too loyal to make a change but Jessica and Frank Berry should be having a word
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McCoy just doesn't seem to tune into Jezki at all. Maybe the horse just isn't good enough but i would like to see either Mark Walsh or Barry Geraghty on board and see would it make a difference. I think it would.
The big plus with Gilgamboa over fences so far has been his accurate jumping. McCoy up today- jumping goes to pieces. My take on McCoy is he is at his best on a horse that needs to be bullied. He doesn't do subtlety. He likes to be the master. |
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Tolmi , its a game of opinions thank God , and mine was AP should have kicked , look back over it again and you'll see that Jezki was coming back at the winner at the last ,not saying he would have won btw .. Hardly a sign of a horse that had nothing left ...
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Arctic fire beat him 4l, I wouldn't say there was much there and connections will be disappointed. Ran too free in the middle part of the race for me. Contrast with how Geraghty got him to use himself properly in the Champion and McCoy couldn't get MTOY to settle. Top 2mile hurdlers are nearly Flat horses and want to get on with it. all about managing their energy and McCoy is poor at this. Better with lazy horses.
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Don't believe Jezki was coming back to Hurricane Fly,quite the opposite. I think Hurricane would have won by about 2 lengths if Jezki had jumped the last.
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Santry , have a look again and come back to me ,he was a half length down 50 yds before the last , a neck down Jumping the last , were he made a shuddering mistake and nearly got rid of AP ..If he had kick between the last 2 he would have won ,no doubt...
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WR. We wont agree on this one. I feel Hurricane Fly had his measure and was asserting. Indeed ,if you look at the race at Christmas its almost a carbon copy and Jezki got the better jump and still was reeled in.
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I take it you mean no doubt in your mind work rider.I would be amazed if more than one in 10 agree with you and I also don't agree that he was coming back at him at the last.
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Just had another look Tolmi ,and am more convinced now that he was coming back at him , to say he won have won is another matter ,if you go to the attheraces site and look at the picture they show , i .e. the freeze frame at the last ,they are both nearly landing together over it...
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I looked at it twice earlier but I'll look at it again.Take off and landing positions are always deceptive as they very much depend on the stride pattern of the horse going into the jump.
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Jezki was dissapointing today and has been all season..... It didn't matter what McCoy did with him today....he had the race in the bag but wasn't able to seal it.....he was headed going to the last and was not coming back either..... The only person who thought he got a bad ride and that he was rallying .....was the umpa lunpa from Tallaght......and what a grade A idiot he is....
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Pikey , keep your mouth taped ,the only thing that emits from it is shyte ,Youghal knacker , when Dodgy retires you'll be pennyless ...
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Shut up ya scrounging gombeen....
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Now now Pikey ,calm down ,we dont want you back in the big house talking to your alter ego ,Robo...
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Gilgamboa did not jump as well yesterday, but the obvious excuse for that is he was being asked to race at a pace far faster than in either of his previous chases. As Ruby said, he was shocked something was so close to him for so long yesterday. Shows that he didn't expect even them good horses to go that gallop, and Gilgamboa's jumping suffered as a result.
He will surely learn plenty from it, and it could be the winning of the JLT for him. Though that is shaping up to be the race of the festival, and I am still a huge Vautour fan. The memory of what he done to a good field in last years Supreme is hard to shift. Gilgamboa will certainly benefit from the step up in trip, and even though it will be quicker ground than yesterday, they will be going a stride slower. As for the ride on Jezki, whatever AP does on him he seems to get slated. My view is no matter what they do on him, he ain't going to beat HF around Leop. He was beaten when he made the mistake. He has one run which suggests he is a real top notcher, and that run can be picked apart quite easily. Every other run suggests he is a shade shy of a real top grader. |
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Nice post CALLIT.
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Lots of ruby fans on here,I reckon McCoy is better on the average horses,ruby has messed a right few up also imo
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