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NEW YEARS DAY FANCIES
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The work rider acting the maggot again.I predict it will end up in tears.
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Backed Marito today, as I've always liked the horse and he apparently spat of Oscar Barton in a point.
I heard they were trying to get him qualified for Hunter Chases, what is the procedure for this. he is still a young horse and is it right that the likes oh him are let in? Also, anyone have any news on Mossie Joe? Thanks. |
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Neill D....id say Marito is not qualified for any hunters chase after running today......
Mossey Joe pulled up in Balinaboola lately......I assume one of his well publicised many problems after coming to light.....looks like the only one who wasn't aware of these.....was Barry.....talk about setting fire to 200k.....its a sin really.....people starving and all that..... |
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ATR showed Mossey's Ballinaboola point about a month ago Neill,it was after a bit of a lay-off but i was very underwhelmed,i was very surprised at how quickly he totally emptied.
Maybe there was a reason but personally be very slow to back him after that and has to show better. |
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Neill D Marito wouldn't qualify for the Foxhunters because his win in Tramore least year is within two seasons. Not sure of the exact figures but I think you cannot win a race worth more than 25k in the two seasons previous to the Foxhunters.
Mossey Joe ran a sticker in Ballinaboola recently. He was entered up the North over Christmas but didn't run. I 'd say the best thing for the horse would be to be quietly retired but Barry will probably ride him in a charity race knowing him. |
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Thanks to Paulie and Pa, I hadn't heard that. Frightening amount of money that was given the whole package. 200k to run a horse in Huner Chases is against the spirit of Hunters anyway so some would say it serves them right.
McBratney said on ATR site that Marito could still improve from today and had earlier said in a local paper that a greaded race in Thurles early this year would be his main target. He might be worth a bet in that. He might have blown up a little bit today, I thought. |
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Thanks very much TellTheKing.
Talent wise, Mossie was some horse, but you'd nearly say he did well to do what he has given all the issues. That win at Stratford in 2013 is the best performance that race will ever see I'd say. |
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He's a machine at his best but he's a horse fraught with problems. He's also done the rounds in yards (obviously Bolger excluded) that wouldn't know how to train a right horse which has been most unfortunate.
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You'd wonder if he'd been with a Mullins, Elliot or Martin what might have been alright. I remember Mullins admiring him in an interview after he hacked up in a novice hurdle at Cork, I think. He was worth 200k then!!
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The gunslinger ozyman will hit town
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You'd wonder if he'd been with a Mullins, Elliot or Martin
You'd have Martin alongside Mullins and Elliot? The Jonjo of ireland,Glorified Racecourse schooler. |
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He can train a bit, though. Didn't manage to keep Flemenstar or Bog Warrior fully right, Bogs was on the track, but the more you think of it, keeping them fit is nearly half of it.
I'd say Martin will win Grade 1s regularly at some point in the future, the syndicates are probably on the way back and he seems a popular kind of fella. |
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The only way he'll be training Grade 1 winners is if Giggy continue to give him a slick of their cake,
And even then that's not guaranteed as has already been proven,Give me the likes of Jessie and HDB over Martin every day of the week. |
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I think he is a more talented trainer than either of those, for all Harrington has an astonishing CV. De Bromhead is a good sort of trainer and has a fine CV as well, but I thought they'd be further along the line than they are by now. Don't think the price means that much with a Harrington horse, nothing wrong with that but it isn't something I like to see in a trainer.
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Think Martin could be champion trainer in the right circumstances, I'd never say that about Harrington or DeBromhead. Long-term, I could see him dividing the Giggy horses with Elliot.
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Amazed how you can hold him in such high regard neill,Surely it's not difficult running horses down the field (particularly in ireland) to get them winning handicaps further down the ling with 20 pounds in hand,Jessie is a top class trainer and has proved this both on the flat and over jumps,Henry has shown what he can do when given the ammo.
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Can see where you're coming from, but I just get the sense that the guy can really train. He hasn't won anywhere near what Harrington and DeBromhead have, but he might be about to make the step up in the next couple of years I feel.
Get the sense he always knows exactly what he has, marking time for a real good one and we'll see then I guess. |
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Yeah i get where your coming from neill,No doubt a very shrewd man and knows exactly what he has and places his horses very well,More of a syndicate trainer than a G1 trainer though i feel,if u had to pick one,Martin or Byrnes??
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Think Willie(at this time) is getting the best results for Giggy(true with whoever he trains for i suppose) Neill,not sure how many he has but don't think it is too many.Don Poli and Valseur Lido are two cracking horses,Valerian Bridge possibly,most trainers would love Milsean though could be a lesser light,todays runner As de Ferbet might be an argument for not getting results for them but one of the very few i can think of,think MOL would obviously want him but surely down the road some conflict could arise in regards going for a particular race with another Mullins inmate.
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i dont think MOL would ever entertain Martin messing around with any of his horses,But i could be wrong.
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Chelts, Byrnes by a neck because of where he is doing it from, but I think if one of them is ever going to be 'the guy', it will be Martin.
The Mullins thing is crazy in ways Pa, because it must be conflicts of interest left right and centre, but still as you say, he outperforms the other trainers. he can scare em off at times, but there was nobody ducking Don Poli and he still went and won. I think the other Irish NH trainers, should take it as a bit of an insult to be honest, that owners like the Un De Sceaux crew wouldn't look in one of their directions. Just on Martin again, has he sold the yard yet and is the Curragh move going ahead anyway? |
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Urticaire,Master of Verse,Measureofmydreams and Aniflet would be a few more "underachievers" maybe WPM could only do what he can with them.
Hard to measure up Martin/Byrnes with Mullins,different type as handicappers mostly with the two though their brilliance(Byrnes with that horse that won the Ces(?) and Martin switching a host between both codes with equally stunning results,think they(particulary Martin) would have little bother if their stable had more graded horses. No idea about TM's move. |
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Martin up to his old tricks again today
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