No hatred or spite on this thread from any poster, just reasoned argument and debate on both sides. There's no call for language like that. Just because someone has a different view doesn't mean they are hateful or spiteful.

nobody is denying yre human rights here except for wildman.but dont tell me u can answer honestly to a child that u want to bring up.

btw i would like to congratulate the participants in this debate that the auld card of "**** phobic" was not thrown in.very commendable ladies and gentlemen.keep it country.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.....Voltaire      i dont know who the liberal tyranny is Wildman[ if any] Sorry to see your posts deleted

They will most likely take the whip of you soon.

wildmanfromboreo & workrider are both very sad individuals both need to get a life

Thought it was a good thread in the main,most people were prepared to listen to others views while maybe not agreeing.
dlarssonf, i can,t get my head around how one man can "love" another man,honestly it is so alien to me,i,m sure others struggle,maybe Wildman and Workrider don,t either and i,m in no way speaking for them. It goes on,it is a persons choice and i'm not judgemental on those but i struggle badly "getting it". As said earlier i think they should get the piece of paper that says they are "married" if that is what they want,i do think it is a form of discrimination.
The fella in the north that didn't want to bake a cake for the two fellas getting married because of his religious beliefs now is facing a court case,i have every sympathy for him. If he is against same sex union he is entitled to his beliefs.

pa lapsy you can't get your head around it so what???  It's never going to affect you or harm you so whether you get your head around it is totally irrelevant.

What I can't get my head around is people who object to same sex marriages.  If they were been forced into doing it then you could understand, but two women or two men getting married in some part of the country is going to impact their lives how?  It's totally ignorance and bitterness on their part

to those who don't favour it I ask, what if one of your sons / daughters told you they where gay and wanted to marry their partner, just because you don't get it (I don't get it myself) would you vote no even if it is effecting your own child's happiness?

as long as you're not effecting others lives you should be allowed live yours as you seek fit and if they wish to marry each other who are we (or the bloody church) to stop them?

I never said they shouldn't be allowed to marry (14.27). On the contrary i believe they shouldn't suffer discrimination and it should be allowed. Maybe its an abstain though all the same as while the discrimination is there,it as you say doesn,t affect my life.

dlarrson ,  your kind of attitude is typical of the liberal left wing gays , you don't say it , but your statement screams , do as I say and like what i like or else ...The dark side of all this is , people like you would take AWAY peoples choice ..As   Pa asked why should someone I.E. that couple who didn't bake the cake some gay person wanted, face jail ...They have in fact become tyrants , demanding all sorts of power and rights , like the other couple who ran a b&b in the UK  and refused to allow gay men stay in their home because of their beliefs , again they faced court ..There has been a massive shift in gays right to such an extent that NORMAL people are now suffering ...

God i think the guy should be in the slammer if he refuses to bake a cake for someone becuase of their sexuality, religion or what ever. Time for people on here to move with the times, give people equal rights and let them live their lives fgs. Anyone notice Richtters is staying out of this argument?

Workrider - that post is beyond belief. Those views are going to get you in trouble.

You cannot refuse to sell something to someone because they are gay - doesn't matter if you're a baker or a B&B or whatever. Use of the words "normal people" and them suffering .... that's going back to the days of apartheid. That post is a blatant attempt at inciting hatred which I think is a crime.

Pa lapsy I understand where you are coming from and I have respect for your opinion!!!  As for the other clown because somebody didn't sell cakes to a gay couple that means gays are causing normal people harm??  FFS what sort of idiot are you.  There is always isolated incidents with any group or walk of life.  Again it hasn't harmed you in the slightest nor will it if two people two hundred miles down the road from you are gay and choose to get married.  It's nothing to do with the "holier than thou attitude" which again is thrown in with the "PC Card" because you don't have a valid point to make.

Also if you can read properly I said people's views and people who can;t get their head around two men sleeping together has nothing to do with the bigger picture, nowhere did I say they shouldn't have those views, I said their individual views have nothing to do with the rights of two people who love each other and want to marry.

And soyouthink is correct, your views are an attempt, a lame one at that, to incite hatred.  You are nothing but a troll who is a narrow minded, ignorant clown

dlarr , the vast majority of the world is backward so , according to you ,this little backwater of ours has made giant strides in the recent past on all sorts of human rights , yet whole continents i.e. ASIA AFRICA not sure about AUSTRALIA ,most of N/SOUTH AMERICA are not exactly running around trying to have SAME SEX Marriages set into their constitutions ..So there are Billions not just Millions who feel the same way ..Europe on the other hand , are demanding all sorts of rights for people   .Your demands would be laugh at in most countries and you know it ,you are an abnoxious clown who demands more than his share and when he is not giving them cry's foul ...

So in your eyes Africa and  Asia are uneducated , what a pompous prick you are , so according to you whole continents are uneducated  ,typical of the liberal left ..How dare you take that stance ..People on those continents may not have the huge modern buildings we are used to , they may not have the high tech we have ,but they have massive intelligence , for your information India is one of the new high tech countries in the world ,I think even YOU o great one will agree that , to master such high tech you need to be EDUCATED ..I could go on and on ,Mandela would be included in your uneducated criteria no doubt , a man who proved that a uni education is not needed when it comes to understanding mans inhumanity to man ..You really should be ashamed of yourself ...

I very much doubt it!

Your all knowing attitude tells us enough about you mate , twisting your words , thats funny ...Away with ye to the hilltops and pray for forgivness from those good people , and hopefully you'll never have to meet one of them face to face , otherwise I'd be worried for your health...Maybe you might help them with their understanding , of your opinion of their lack of education ...You POMPOUS PRICk...

You fail to grasp that ,those continents you ridicule ,have FAR more educated people in ONE CITY than the WHOLE of IRELAND ..You are a pompous prick and have no real merit in your argument ..

Sad thing is ,you really think YOU are superior to these people ,the reality is rather different though ,you have been shown up for what you are mate , I'm sure when you grow up you'll reflect on your passed views and cringe ...POMPOUS PRICk...