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What happened your Golden Goose thread?
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It was removed along with my Art Vandal thread.
Ordinary views are frowned on,the one thing about liberals is they demand conformity no differing views allowed. |
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I only saw it after 2 posts, it must have devolved from that point. What a shame, did it move into more controversial territory?
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The thing about same sex marriages is , why should it be allowed , neither party can fulfill what marriage was designed for ,and that was to create LIFE ..Homosexual men and lesbian women as a couple are unable to bring life into the world ...Yes they can have babies , but they as a COUPLE are unable to create LIfe ...
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If 2 people in love want to be married who are any of us to judge them.
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the biggest thing for some sections of the community is the lack of benefits that would arise from such an alliance.....
how would some households survive without unmarried mothers.....deserted wives.....battered wives.....childrens allowance.... paddy powers and the local pubs would be decimated by such radical change.... |
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Wanutt ,are you really saying that when and if , same sex marriages arrive none of the above will apply , so same sex marriages will be free of violence , deserted wives , battered children ,ffs man off to bed with ya...
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How could same sex marriages have battered children ya ghoul ya.....
I know of one man who posts on here who gets a million allowances and spunks it all on horses..... |
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Does the word Adoption ring a bell ya gobshyte , off ta bed with ya ...
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anyone expressing a Catholic point of view on this issue is hounded and pilloried so there won't be much of a discussion prior to the referendum.
the liberal agenda has decreed that anyone opposing gay marriage is as bad as Hitler but with a high turnout the silent 'minority' can register a significant NO vote. |
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God Freddie do you or anyone else still allow the catholic church to think for you in this day and age after all they have done to little children?
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Next will be marriages of three (or more) people.
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Freddie is the guy that described J Healy-Rae Decd. as a "Good Catholic"
I asked him what the definition of a good Catholic is but he has not replied. |
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didn't j healy rae leave his wife and take up with another woman.is that a "good catholic"?
 btw i loved his hair style.  |
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kingrat
btw i loved his hair style. I think it was a comb over from his armpit.  |
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77% Favour Gay Marriage According To Irish Times. Wishful Thinking....im wondering how many of the 77% who where asked publicly would vote privately, ?
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I would of thought the only really people against this are holy people, believe in the church etc......., seen as those numbers are seriously dwindling and it's mainly the older generation I could actually believe the numbers may not be that far off. I would imagine the majority of our population could not give a toss whether they can marry or not (and with all that's come out in recent years I don't they'd vote the way the church want), it's there business and it is not effecting me.
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Totally agree with PF, i would say the hardline church goers that allow the church to think for them is approx a quarter of the country.
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Fair point P.F. Interesting to see Elton John and his husband David furnish looking very happy with there children in these photos, Elton says he is happier now then any other part of his life, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2400053/Elton-John-husband-David-Furnish-treat-adorable-sons-day-sea-Saint-Tropez.html i have to be honest i just dont know which way i would vote myself.
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Obviously it's a major concern of yours as well since you started this thread, is it not?
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^ Very true,they are living together anyway and if they want a piece of paper to formalize that arrangement it is no big deal,it can to done in civil terms and if the church wanted nothing to do with it,their rights should be respected as well.
Yes, it certainly is so far down the list of priorities it is laughable. |
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I Believe your wrong to refer to Eltons children as a couple of new playthings to him Wildman, there plenty of interviews on youtubes to believe he is as happy a dad as we were when we became fathers,.. is it right i still dont know
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Frank he is stuck in a land time forgot.
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Frank,not sure is it right to pay someone a big bag of money to be a surrogate mother,can be argued that if both parties are happy fair enough, think it is fundamentally wrong myself though.
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YES Pa ;i have problems with that myself.
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Frank on their sons birth cert Elton is named as "Father" and the "Mother" is listed as Mr. Furnish.
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It was terribly selfish of elton john to have children at his age. He is way too old to act as a proper father or mother or whatever he calls himself to those children. They will live most of their live without him and that's not a desirable situation to create.
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At last we have a point of view from someone who is a young man ,who lives and thinks like a lot of young people today , and he can see the point that the Father of the year , how sick is that , ELton a man nearly in his 70s , with a child who if hes lucky to reach his teens , will get a chance to push his father around in a wheelchair ..The gay brigade are a well oiled machine ,well placed in the media to influence anything that they see as benefiting their cause ...
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Surely the morality /righteousness of surrogacy, adoption, fostering, etc are completely separate debates.
The gay marriage debate essentially asks should gay couples have rights equal to that of a heterosexual couple. I think that's a right they deserve. I certainly wouldn't stand in their way. It doesn't impact me in any way and I don't think it impacts anyone other than the gay community or whatever themselves. A woman / man couple in their 70s could have a child born by surrogacy once they go though the right channels. Whether that's right or wrong is a separate debate and nothing to do with this. Finally I think the surveys / polls show the figures steadily trending upwards for those in favour of gay marriage. I think if the referendum was left another 10 years, it would be up around the 90% mark. This reflects a younger society being exposed to more gay couples, be it in the public eye, or in their social circle. It's also a shocking generalization to draw a parallel between sexuality and social / economic status and it would probably undermine any future argument that poster makes on this thread. He clearly has a distorted view if he thinks "Gays tend to be wealthy" |
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^^^right on the money m8 but this is the thing?the rearing of children.every1 wants to know who their biological father and mother is.there is no getting away from that.theres yre problem sport.
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Wildman - you're probably lucky that comment was posted to the Betfair forum.
If it was posted somewhere there was more of a left-wing man mindset you'd probably be accused of homophobia. Look at the rugby analyst who reckoned gay people didn't play sports - he was back on the radio within a few hours begging for forgiveness. You can't be making generalizations like only wealthy people are gay. That simply is not allowed in this day and age and that's not me saying that - that's society but you're probably as well to lose that mindset. I'd also be interested to know a same-sex marriage would impact me any more than a different-sex marriage? |
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tbf wildman's analysis just wont cut it here.it's so limp and 1950s.the whole ball game on this revolves around the bringing up of children.does society want to go that far?
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Surely the morality /righteousness of surrogacy, adoption, fostering, etc are completely separate debates.
These issues are not a serperate issue imo, they are very relevent. Everytime I hear a member of the gay lobby on tv/radio, the first thing that comes to mind is that they feel they have the right to everything and the responsibility for nothing. In this case, Elton John decided he had the right to have children regardless of the morality of the decision or the negative affect it may have on the child. He just looked at it from a selfish point of view. The same is true of gay marriage. They constantly bemoan the fact they can't get married in a church but ignore the disasterous effects this may have on society and the sanctity of marriage. If gay marriage ccomes in, I fear what might come next. They have shown in the past if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile. Firstly they demanded civil union. When it was then brought in, they decided it was useless and no longer wanted it and gay marriage was next on the agenda. If gay marriage is brought in, what next? |
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workrider 08 Dec 14 15:10
The thing about same sex marriages is , why should it be allowed , neither party can fulfill what marriage was designed for ,and that was to create LIFE --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What the f*ck, please tell its a wind-up and not a serious point  Sexual intercourse was "designed" to create life, (I would have thought ).I am very confident in saying, life was created before marriage!! Marriage is a human social invention - to apply laws (more akin to property rights in their origin). Religion has linked the two, its social and cultural, nothing "natural" at all |
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look?i dont give a **** about gays and the way they live their lives.gl to them but i do have a problem about them looing for the right to bring up children.thats a no no as far i am concerned.
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Wildman - you can't be taking seriously. It's your "opinion" but five words later it's backed up by "facts". Which is it fact or opinion and if it' fact, then quote them?
I never said it was an insult - but it was a generalization. It's lazy. It's obviously not true. Your bit about impacting me financially is completely ridiculous and you't find any serious commentator on this topic quoting such a completely negligible argument. If that's what sways your vote, then you must have a very strong opinion on all the other social welfare issues in this country. Newapproach - I'm not familiar with Elton John or his story. I would say though if gay people are going to have their own children either by adoption or surrogacy, then the relevant people need to assess that on a case by case basis. I would share your concern - the wrong couple could end up with a child in their care - but that concern would stretch to man/woman couples too. I think the Elton John example is probably a bad one. |
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What a hateful shower of miserable f'ckers. we live in a democracy thank christ. misguided unchristian ignorant hateful **** that h_itler would have been proud of. based on nothing except boredom and spite.
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2 gay men bring up a child,hello?
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i hate gays. hence the unchristian.
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