ran into a racing luminary earlier and I would always be reluctant to have "too strong" an opinion on any controversy-du-jour as it tends to send them running to the bunkers and I'd rather get an opinion offered voluntarily without having to force the issue. His take, like many others here, was "run the race ten times and Australia wins nine".

this merely resurrects a major simmering row prior to this year's Derby when the boy was under intense scrutiny again.

facts are facts.job carried 1lb overweight.australia covered a lot more grounds than the great gatsby.

How much more ground would you say, Kavvie.  I am not sure how to work this out.

Imagine a piece of string wrapped around the Earth's equator - that's about 40,000km. How much MORE string would you need for it to sit 15cm above the ground, all the way around?

A) 1 metre, B) 1 kilometre or C) 1,000 kilometres

which do u reckon Kavvie?

c

Explanation here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/handson/teaser-string.shtml

the boys in lane 8 are  at a big advantage so in a 400 m round track!?! that cant be true?

A few quick points:-
*If you look at AOB's stats since Joseph took over they're similar to  what went before -in fact some of the percentages are higher.
*There is a good upside to having Joseph riding for Ballydoyle -you get extended truthful feedback from someone who's around the stable every day of the week and can get to know key horses intimately.
*No jockey could come unscathed through the orgy of hypercritical scrutiny his riding attracts -all done with hindsight and not a little done out of malice by professional haters of Ballydoyle success
* It's also worth remembering that riding tactics are going to be discussed by the stable -it's not just down to Joseph. Aidan must shoulder some responsibility for this as well.
* Re the race last Sat , I think the critical analysis has gone way OTT. Is it likely  e.g.that if TGG had failed to get up by a sh hd the talk would have been of a great ride by JOB or even of a great ride by Moore ? Unlikely.
Tiny margins can change the whole tenor of a debate. If you compare Australia's last two races -he ran virtually to the pound with Mukhadram. He's a solid Gr.1 horse worth a rating in the mid to high 120s but not the superstar AOB claimed. Many thought it was a moral certainty  and the shock of disbelief after the defeat  led people  to seek out the most available scapegoat -the jockey.
*It is palpably clear that the (over)weight issue must be faced and resolved very soon -for everyone's sake.

Perhaps dj can help us out with the maths regarding lengths lost going wide.

I accept all tracks are different, but a table for each track would be handy.  Perhaps we could send Wonks to each course with one of those things you wheel to measure distance.

I would like the forum to note my restraint in not relpying in kind to Wonky's remarks. I don;t want to have you to endure a flurry of his YoMamma 'banter'.  Be thankful.

Joseph O'Brien did win a Group 1 on Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2SmrDdNjg      I will  Translate it for you clown.

Oops -that post went off the rails though I went to great lengths to get it right.

A gallent

Well done Frank

My sentiments exactly. Vubiant....but not much consolation for the punters who took 30/100

Indeed frank -it must have been a wrenching Acca buster on a busy racing day when lots of punters bundle up the shorties.
My other thought was -if only one more runner ran -what an e/w bet TGG would've been for singles or multiples !

There is too much pressure being put on Joseph. Pressure to ride at a weight 3 stone below his natural healthy weight and pressure every time he rides one of the stable superstars. The mental and physical strains are not good for the young lad. He should go to college and get an education rather than put himself through all that torture.

interesting irish guy did,nt know that, free eagle was eased near the finish, It would be great if TGG,free eagle and aussie could meet before the end of the season.