Irish Sports
Welcome to Live View – Take the tour to learn more
Start Tour
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
17 Jun 14
11:00
Joined:
Date Joined:
05 Jun 08
Our former prez Mary Mac is now studying canon law in Rome and was being feted by the Belfield campus dons yesterday (Blooms Day) in being awarded their "highest honour" the Ulysses medal-well done that woman!
Irish Times: "Former president Mary McAleese has described as “completely bonkers” Pope Francis’s plan to ask a synod of bishops to advise him on whether church teaching on the family should change.
She said there was “just something profoundly wrong and skewed” about asking “150 male celibates” to review the Catholic Church’s teaching on family life.
Commenting on a planned October synod in Rome on the issue, she said: “The very idea of 150 people who have decided they are not going to have any children, not going to have families, not going to be fathers and not going to be spouses - so they have no adult experience of family life as the rest of us know it - but they are going to advise the pope on family life; it is completely bonkers.
In advance of the meeting, the Vatican has circulated a questionnaire worldwide seeking feedback on pastoral issues of marriage and family.
Mrs McAleese commented: “I wrote back and said I said I’ve got a much simpler questionnaire and it’s only got one question and here it is: How many of the men who will gather to advise you as pope on the family have ever changed a baby’s nappy? I regard that as a very, very serious question.”
It goes on.............
"In the public interview , Mrs McAleese also spoke of her admiration at the “stoicism and solidarity” of the Irish public after the economic crash. She said she didn’t view this response as “passive”.
“I think it’s a momentum to get through; I think it’s let’s knuckle down and get through this”.
Asked whether the burden of austerity had been equally shared, she said she believed a lot of elements of Irish society had taken a hit but young people who had bought their homes at the peak of the market had taken “a disproportionate hit”.
Challenging the idea that everyone got greedy during the boom, most people were simply “investing in this thing call home and family”, she said.
I would call this a delicious irony: Mary claims the clerics are ignorant on family life yet she from the highest ivory tower can hold forth on austerity and what it means to you and I. The closest Mary Mac has come to "austerity" I suspect is not having a plain clothes detective on bodyguard duty while she is swotting in the Vatican. If she believes the church is so bonkers what's she ding in the vipers' nest?
Three other luminaries also shared the Ulysses medal yesterday: The three others were Chief Justice Susan Denham, Noeline Blackwell, director general of Free Legal Advice Centres and European Ombudsman Emily O’Reilly.
It seems like a gilt-edged civil service job and pension is the primary requirement to be so honoured.
Irish Times: "Former president Mary McAleese has described as “completely bonkers” Pope Francis’s plan to ask a synod of bishops to advise him on whether church teaching on the family should change.
She said there was “just something profoundly wrong and skewed” about asking “150 male celibates” to review the Catholic Church’s teaching on family life.
Commenting on a planned October synod in Rome on the issue, she said: “The very idea of 150 people who have decided they are not going to have any children, not going to have families, not going to be fathers and not going to be spouses - so they have no adult experience of family life as the rest of us know it - but they are going to advise the pope on family life; it is completely bonkers.
In advance of the meeting, the Vatican has circulated a questionnaire worldwide seeking feedback on pastoral issues of marriage and family.
Mrs McAleese commented: “I wrote back and said I said I’ve got a much simpler questionnaire and it’s only got one question and here it is: How many of the men who will gather to advise you as pope on the family have ever changed a baby’s nappy? I regard that as a very, very serious question.”
It goes on.............
"In the public interview , Mrs McAleese also spoke of her admiration at the “stoicism and solidarity” of the Irish public after the economic crash. She said she didn’t view this response as “passive”.
“I think it’s a momentum to get through; I think it’s let’s knuckle down and get through this”.
Asked whether the burden of austerity had been equally shared, she said she believed a lot of elements of Irish society had taken a hit but young people who had bought their homes at the peak of the market had taken “a disproportionate hit”.
Challenging the idea that everyone got greedy during the boom, most people were simply “investing in this thing call home and family”, she said.
I would call this a delicious irony: Mary claims the clerics are ignorant on family life yet she from the highest ivory tower can hold forth on austerity and what it means to you and I. The closest Mary Mac has come to "austerity" I suspect is not having a plain clothes detective on bodyguard duty while she is swotting in the Vatican. If she believes the church is so bonkers what's she ding in the vipers' nest?
Three other luminaries also shared the Ulysses medal yesterday: The three others were Chief Justice Susan Denham, Noeline Blackwell, director general of Free Legal Advice Centres and European Ombudsman Emily O’Reilly.
It seems like a gilt-edged civil service job and pension is the primary requirement to be so honoured.
Show More
Would you have prefered her to answer 'only those who have experienced austerity can comment'? She was asked her question and gave her views. Plenty here ave never riden a hoss but comment loquaciously on it n a daily basis.
Her views are solely that, views.
The effects of the decisions of church teaching on families on the other hand, have wide reaching consequences and the points she makes are valid and common sense imo.
Her views are solely that, views.
The effects of the decisions of church teaching on families on the other hand, have wide reaching consequences and the points she makes are valid and common sense imo.
Asked whether the burden of austerity had been equally shared
That's my main problem Oz-the Government had a golden opportunity to rectify a lot of society's tax injustices etc when first elected-they failed dismally to burden the cosseted class and the instances of sickening pay-offs and "rewards" since have been nauseating.
If the article stated she said: "from my privileged position......" I would have some sympathy for your view. The age of "entitlement" is alive and well and crosses all divides
That's my main problem Oz-the Government had a golden opportunity to rectify a lot of society's tax injustices etc when first elected-they failed dismally to burden the cosseted class and the instances of sickening pay-offs and "rewards" since have been nauseating.
If the article stated she said: "from my privileged position......" I would have some sympathy for your view. The age of "entitlement" is alive and well and crosses all divides
Funny thing is she would be mimicked if she prefaced all her remarks with 'from my priveliged position'.
Royal , NORMAN has his Martin Luther hat on , he cant stand the Catholic Church , any views expressed against same is highly applauded by Him...
Am officially blocking you now, Wonks.
Unfounded sectarian abuse on top of daily ridicule for my dearly departed Mother.
I simply no longer wish to shoot the breeze with someone of your calibre.
Unfounded sectarian abuse on top of daily ridicule for my dearly departed Mother.
I simply no longer wish to shoot the breeze with someone of your calibre.
Norman , get help son , and quick , you're seeing stuff that's not even there ffs ..Everyone knows your views on the Church , nothing new there , your constant bleating re you Mother been talking about by me every day is another sure sign you need help ....Mind yourself , and stay well , may the road rise up to meet you etc....
The contents of this post have been hidden for this blocked user: workrider.
You can manage your blocked users list here .
You can manage your blocked users list here .
The laugh was for you being well over the top Ozy in regards blocking.
Seems a lot of people have admiration like Mary for the "stoicism and solidarity of the Irish people" through the crisis but agree with yourself RA,very well talking about how great they coped but you certainly won,t find her with the stoic masses queueing up for the "super 6".
Seems a lot of people have admiration like Mary for the "stoicism and solidarity of the Irish people" through the crisis but agree with yourself RA,very well talking about how great they coped but you certainly won,t find her with the stoic masses queueing up for the "super 6".
shes a strange cunning and contadictory woman is our mary.she was in the right place at the right time to avail of the spat beween bertie and albert reynolds.bertie shafted albert and mary rabitted in through the back door to become our president,a job that any half normal person could do with ease.she entered the aras and proceeded to sack half the aras staff.we then endured her for 8 years(or was it 12?)..walking around with a false sincere head on her accompanied by her strange looking lap dog of a husband....pontificating bout this that and the other..she fooled a lot of people but not everyone .then she went to study in rome..and as just made comments that totally contradict what she was doing there....strange indeed
I gave him a final warning, yesterday, Pa, he chose to ignore it. He is out of line, it's clear for all to see.
He is a bit simple anyway; witness the golf/hotel thread, so, personally, not getting a great deal from interacting with him, aside, that is, from ridicule of my poor late Mother on a daily basis. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.
He is a bit simple anyway; witness the golf/hotel thread, so, personally, not getting a great deal from interacting with him, aside, that is, from ridicule of my poor late Mother on a daily basis. You have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.
oz he never said a bad word about ur mother dont be bullsh1tting..btw any sign of my grand??
What do you think Norman refers to, Kavvie?
You will have to ask The Rat about that bet, it was nothing to do with me.
You will have to ask The Rat about that bet, it was nothing to do with me.
hes a ecent guy.hes ot refering to ou mothe.don let your imagination or paranoia get the better of you. your partner in crime rat has left the ship without trace sadly
Not fair on RA,s thread but in regard you rightfully looking for your money Kavvie,rat has posted twice under a new username and that is something you are very aware of Ozy.
Nothing to do with paranoia, that is what the reference is.
He has crossed the line, and chooses to do so on a daily basis. I made it very clear to him that I found it unacceptable.
He has crossed the line, and chooses to do so on a daily basis. I made it very clear to him that I found it unacceptable.
Whats names Pa? I had no idea he has been back...I have never exchanged as much as a PM with The Rat. Ever. In any guise!
He'll tell you himself what the name is in reference to; ask him.
It was a funny once off quip at the time, even you have the sensitivity not to repeat it on a a daily basis. Simple as.
Dead family members are off limits on here as far as I am concerned. I remember chaos on here when your dead wife was brought into the converstation. And that was only a once off. No one would dream of dragging that up on a daily basis on here, yet that precisely what Wonks chooses to do where I am concerned, over a lengthy period.
I told him I would block him, if it continued, he chose his fate.
Dead family members are off limits on here as far as I am concerned. I remember chaos on here when your dead wife was brought into the converstation. And that was only a once off. No one would dream of dragging that up on a daily basis on here, yet that precisely what Wonks chooses to do where I am concerned, over a lengthy period.
I told him I would block him, if it continued, he chose his fate.
i dont hate her at all.just he fct hat o many people are taken in by her.i think she a giant sized fraud.i just feel sorry for the fact that enough people were duped by bertie ahern into voting her in for 12 years into a cushy job.she seems to be religous when it suits her wildman.she went over to rome to study religion(lets call it the vipers nest as someone above said)..hen when shes finished she starts critisizing the very people above her??..did she not know all this before she started..???for such an "inelligent" woman you would imagine she would have?..the fact that the catholic church is totally male dominated and views women as obviously second class?..she right about the 150 old men having no experience about family etc...but thats how the church has always been.not too long ago if a womans marriage was in trouble she would go to the priest for advice.!?!?..like asking a fisherman to fix your car!!..a granuncle of mine said one time the worst type of person he came across on this island were snobby northern catholics..not saying she is but i rest my case
Norman , grow up mate , the name really suits you , after all you have been known to back stab ...
...Nothing whatever to do with your mother , may she rest in peace ..You are that Bates type character , be honest ...Nothing worse than a Nordie Protestant getting his teeth into a Catholic ..
...
...Nothing whatever to do with your mother , may she rest in peace ..You are that Bates type character , be honest ...Nothing worse than a Nordie Protestant getting his teeth into a Catholic .....
Now Ozymandius you know there was no chaos,you know your outrage was fake just like on here when you claimed sectarian abuse was heaped on you when it wasn't.
You also seem to be labouring under the illusion that people care about who you block,you can do what you like this is a discussion forum its not compulsory.
Kavvie how his McAleese a fraud,she never hid her views,she went and studied theology in Rome,something to be admired and has changed her position slightly something she is entitled to do.
I never voted for her and am not in agreement with her current stance but consider her the best President we ever had.
If you want to find a fraud look no further than her predecessor,took the job on whilst in receipt of a pension,tried to break the rules in a grab for power and then left early for another job and again picking up yet another pension.
You also seem to be labouring under the illusion that people care about who you block,you can do what you like this is a discussion forum its not compulsory.
Kavvie how his McAleese a fraud,she never hid her views,she went and studied theology in Rome,something to be admired and has changed her position slightly something she is entitled to do.
I never voted for her and am not in agreement with her current stance but consider her the best President we ever had.
If you want to find a fraud look no further than her predecessor,took the job on whilst in receipt of a pension,tried to break the rules in a grab for power and then left early for another job and again picking up yet another pension.
At this stage, I have nothing to add on the subject.
Other than to say, next time I am at a racecourse in Ireland, I will seek him out and give him an unmerciful root in the hole
Other than to say, next time I am at a racecourse in Ireland, I will seek him out and give him an unmerciful root in the hole
And have someone record it on video for the benefit if the forum!
I,d say your some frigger to give someone an almighty root in the hole alright.
You see I know that's skitting yet others could call that a threat of violence.
With your track record you would end up getting hurt,end up in a solicitors office demanding compensation.
With your track record you would end up getting hurt,end up in a solicitors office demanding compensation.
i reckon I could propel him half way across the track
On account of his age though I wouldnt' feel comfortable going all out.
Says the man who remembers Chuck Norris....Irish television was in it infancy when he was on...Just how old are you Norman , btw who'd help you out of the chair ?...As I said before , I've pushed better men out of my way to get INTO a fight...
wild man you state she went to study theology in rome,something to be admired??whats to admire about it?..she went over there butressed by a fat state pension,and more likely a body guard paid for by the tax payer and prob thought it would look good for her public persona..then when shes finished she starts slagging off the people who thought her "theology"(id have a different word for it but doubt it would get through!)..like biting the hand that feeds you...
As we are all allowed to post out prejudices here under the cloak of anonymity I cannot but fail to recall that the Catholic Church gives canon low superiority to the laws of Ireland and we know where that got us.
And not forgetting the wonderful get-out clause "mental reservation" so beloved of those in authority to justing good men doing nothing to allow evil prevail:
"Such expressions as "He is not at home" were called equivocations, or amphibologies, and when there was good reason for using them their lawfulness was admitted by all. If the person inquired for was really at home, but did not wish to see the visitor, the meaning of the phrase "He is not at home" was restricted by the mind of the speaker to this sense, "He is not at home for you, or to see you." Hence equivocations and amphibologies came to be called mental restrictions or reservations. It was commonly admitted that an equivocal expression need not necessarily be used when the words of the speaker receive a special meaning from the circumstances in which he is placed, or from the position which he holds. Thus, if a confessor is asked about sins made known to him in confession, he should answer "I do not know," and such words as those when used by a priest mean "I do not know apart from confession," or "I do not know as man," or "I have no knowledge of the matter which I can communicate." "
Extraordinary.
And not forgetting the wonderful get-out clause "mental reservation" so beloved of those in authority to justing good men doing nothing to allow evil prevail:
"Such expressions as "He is not at home" were called equivocations, or amphibologies, and when there was good reason for using them their lawfulness was admitted by all. If the person inquired for was really at home, but did not wish to see the visitor, the meaning of the phrase "He is not at home" was restricted by the mind of the speaker to this sense, "He is not at home for you, or to see you." Hence equivocations and amphibologies came to be called mental restrictions or reservations. It was commonly admitted that an equivocal expression need not necessarily be used when the words of the speaker receive a special meaning from the circumstances in which he is placed, or from the position which he holds. Thus, if a confessor is asked about sins made known to him in confession, he should answer "I do not know," and such words as those when used by a priest mean "I do not know apart from confession," or "I do not know as man," or "I have no knowledge of the matter which I can communicate." "
Extraordinary.
You don't need a cloak of anonymity as your views are in the ascendancy.
Having a go at the Catholic Church was brave when they were in the ascendancy now its only band wagon jumping.
The intolerant liberals don't allow differing views,they actually outlaw them.
The Marine Le Pen press conference a great example of liberal intolerance as is the UAF in England inflicting violence on UKIP supporters.
Having a go at the Catholic Church was brave when they were in the ascendancy now its only band wagon jumping.
The intolerant liberals don't allow differing views,they actually outlaw them.
The Marine Le Pen press conference a great example of liberal intolerance as is the UAF in England inflicting violence on UKIP supporters.
Post Your Reply
Please login to post a reply.
Wonder
Instance ID: 13539