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CheltenhamRoar
03 Jun 14 11:45
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Anyone got any stats as to how many of his horses that have gone off odds on this season have been beaten?
Maybe its just more noticeable because he trains them but seems to me a fairly high percentage and i'd imagine the AOB layers have been in clover thus far.
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Report workrider June 3, 2014 12:03 PM BST
You would be in the poor house alright...
Report Irish Whisper June 3, 2014 6:52 PM BST
APO'B has had 16 odds-on runners this year yielding 10 winners.
Level stake loss at SP of €2.
An Actual/Expected of 0.94

In terms of his horses that have been favourite or joint/co favourite:
52 runners, 21 winners.
Level stake loss at SP of €5.38
An Actual/Expected of 0.91
Report peckerdunne June 5, 2014 5:39 PM BST
The grass grows green.
Report workrider June 5, 2014 6:20 PM BST
Would have to be worried if you have gone all in of derby fav now...
Report Blackwater June 5, 2014 7:59 PM BST
Keeping in mind that there's a soft-ground Gp1 winner in the field, I'm not sure Australia should even be favourite.

If that rain arrives I could see it going off odds-against for a place, let alone to win the race.
Report roadrunner46 June 5, 2014 8:20 PM BST
considering AUSTRALIA is not a miler, and the guineas form is superb, no doubt will have enough speed to beat the rest of them.
sure will go off under 6/4 or a bonus will be anything over that price at SP.
Report callitasucit June 5, 2014 8:34 PM BST
Rightly or wrongly, what happens to APOBs squad in tomorrows Oaks will have a big bearing on what price Australia opens at, and to a lesser extent, starts. I can certainly see 2-1 being offered early Sat morning. If Marvellous flops, then a 9-4 or bigger carrot may be dangled to small stakes. I cant see him going off that big, the Ballydoyle Battalions will surely smash into anything approaching 2-1 on the day. I for one will be backing him once he gets to 2-1.

And I expect Marvellous to win first. Got a couple of quid on her at 13 as she past the post at the Curragh. I would obviously rather Moore on both, but you pays your money and you take your chance.....
Report workrider June 5, 2014 9:47 PM BST
She looked the first beat that day Callit , so a very taken performance ...Not as sure as some of her getting home at that trip , still you got the value and good luck with that bet...
Report roadrunner46 June 5, 2014 9:57 PM BST
are you listeningWink good winner in ireland tonight ANTHEM ALEXANDER, got this info from good source. one for the notebookLaugh
Report callitasucit June 5, 2014 10:35 PM BST
got this info from good source

The results page?

I think she will be fine WR. A lot of Derby and Oaks winners prove better over 10fur, she may prove no different, but class can get them home, once they not patent non stayers. She will certainly be better over 10 fur than a mile, so 12 fur should be within her compass, and breeding suggests it could be her optimum. She was only getting home at the end of  a testing mile at the Curragh, and was at her most impressive at the line. If Joseph can avoid a horror show, I think she wins.
Report workrider June 5, 2014 10:45 PM BST
I'd be worried about her been able to hold a position from the off , if she drops out early she just might have trouble getting a position on entering the straight , and with 17 runners that's possible ..In all fairness Joseph rides Epsom well imo so no problem there ..More of a worry is her been able to hold her position which is vital at this track  ...Hanagan wont hear of defeat for his filly , a very interesting race to ponder , I will be betting minimal amounts if getting involved ....Once again I wish you well with your bet...
Report roadrunner46 June 5, 2014 10:46 PM BST
results page is the most informative guide to finding winners, as has been proven time and time again. ANALYSIS OF WINNING TIMESWink
Report callitasucit June 6, 2014 12:03 AM BST
Cheers WR. As a Guineas winner, I would be surprised if she cant slot in nicely. Though the 17 runners is obviously a worry for a few reasons.
Report snap crackle and pop June 6, 2014 12:07 AM BST
Speaking of Epsom, the O'Meara beast in the listed race looks like prime nap material at 11/10, in against 5 failures, should be easy pickings
Report CheltenhamRoar June 6, 2014 6:02 PM BST
Another shortie stuffed Plain
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