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3 wins on right handed tracks against horses stones blow champion hurdle form hardly screamed a champion prep.
Having said that,the ultimate driver behind this decision is the Fly's legacy (or should we say WPM's legacy)and the same applies with Quevega and I knew this would be the situation. The only positive is WPM's not campaigning horses in the races that they should be running is the only threat to the Monopoly not continuing. |
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^^^^This!!
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~Navan LH
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it seems you know **** all dj..according to paulie..?your talking ****..he was always going to the champion..he has no were else to go?
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The followers will be gutted, there was 25 people related to O`Connell with scarfs and jackets of the colors of Uds at Gowran yesterday, but if that`s the case so is life.
But in my opinion The Fly is not Mullins best chance to win the CH, without Uds in the field I have 2 others ahead of him at the moment. If others decide to supplement a pacemaker I may change my mind. |
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really does make me laugh sometimes the hypocrisy on here..when ever anybody on here make a mistake loads come on and have a go and belittle them..i only made a error about weight for a race and got all sorts of stick...now know it all PAULIE makes a arrse of himself..and no one says a word?..all too scared to tell him what a complete **** he is..if I,d come on and done what he did ..I'd be too embarrassed to come back on!
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Don't mean a thing to Willie I'd say Easy, hasn't got to where he has by putting the concerns of others first. he is thinking of his own legacy. If he can disappoint Ricci, I'd say it wouldn't cost him a thought to let down someone like O'Connell.
The horse does take bit out of himself I'd say, but running him in that yesterday and then wheeling out that excuse was a bit disingenuous. He knows the way the horse runs and that he was liable to come back like that. Utterly pointless running him in a race to gain more experience where the horse learns nothing. But it fits well with the big picture. He'll be his Champion Hurdle horse next year. |
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exactly what I said neill., the horse would go for the champion next year..
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You've called it bang right then Tony, if he was with anyone else it would be the Champion though, unique set of circumstances here.
Mullins is still a bit antsie with the Championship races at Cheltenham, he'll chill out a bit once he wins a Gold Cup!! It's a bit like Nicholls with Kauto and Denman, although on a lesser scale as UDS hasn't proven himself to Denman, Mullins' affections are wed to the Fly as like Kauto Star with Nicholls, he is the horse that has taken him to the next level. |
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Well I must take my hat off to you tony57.....it looks like you were on the ball....to say im gobsmacked is putting it mildly......I simply cannot believe that any trainer would have the cheek to do this to an owner.....I must offer my apologies .....you are in fact 100% correct.....about Un de Sceaux.....
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You'd hope that the next time Mullins sees a nice one in France (in the mid-range) that might be a bit of value, that he'd put it the way of O'Connell.
Fair play Paulie, it is very bad form on the owner. |
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Twister wishing he put in a pacemaker now!
Who's going to make the running now?Jezki will be more prominent but would they make it? I'd hate to be playing Poker with Willie Mullins but it's lot easier when you hold so many cards. |
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neill d.....it looks pretty clear in what kind of esteem Billy holds O Connell.....
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going to play devils advocate here in the face of this Willie bashing and say
a) we don;t know how goo the hoss is |
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b) it is only 6, so plenty of time. |
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Yeah, awful form Paulie. Mullins is as hard-nosed as you'd get. Balance of probabilities is that the owner won't get a horse like that again.
Look at the way he runs Oz, he is a now horse in terms of Champion Hurdles. Horse like that would give himself as hard a race in a seller as in a Champion Hurdle!! |
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He does know, how good he is that`s a cert. The same idea I know he is a freak.
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We all knew he was a very good horse but just didn't think 16's and 20's was value when he was 3/1 -4/1 to turn up for the race as previously stated.
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Willie Mullins never had any intention of running UDS/Annie but they did their job as potential decoys so the other trainers would think a strong pace was guaranteed.
It certainly fooled Twiston Davies who said after the Christmas Hurdle-we'll run a pacemaker in the champion. Mullins now owns the pace of the race and will try to let thousand stars to make it and set up a sprint for the Fly like he's been winning all year (unless Jezki makes it). |
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paulie thank you..i appreciate that. I respect a man who can apologize....
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the amount of people bleating on about UDS winning the CH this year and being the value bet. unbeliveble
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as everyone knows its called the sport of kings......and the small no man has little or no chance......but when the small man does defy all the odds and get a once in a lifetime horse......he still gets shafted......
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the horse hasnt got the right profile to win CH, next year with few more grade 1/2 wins on the CV, few victorys over grade 1 horses
will be considered a worthy prospect for 2015, was all hype surrounding this horse regarding this years race. its not the derby where aiden o brien can afford to run as many horses as possible to achieve the win. unlucky if you lost on that. no doubt all the supporters of UDS will be backing it for next years race, thinking they will be getting value! |
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stinks to high heaven
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willie mullins said in a interview after racing on sat that U.D.S. would have proabely have to find a stone to beat the Fly.
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he means in theory, on ratings, Frank.
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TX for letting me know that Oz, Willie did use the word probably.
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Very surprised he is not going to run. WPM cant really use his lack of a decent prep as an excuse. He chose the route he has taken. Bullsh*t. I see AP into 10s on here now for CH. As sure as Rubys silver tongue has ruled UDS out, he wont allow AP in either.
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INTERESTING to know that someone is looking for 12/1 on betfair for a ton on Annie power for the C/H. i thought he might be heading for the world hurdle. only time will tell.
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what wpm says publicly = bullsh1t.ye have been warned!
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No surprise mullins has come up with some bullshít story as to why he wont be running UDS in the CH,
The owner been well and truly shafted here and all because of the ego of mullins and the legacy of HF, If i was the owner i'd have no problem sending him elsewhere. |
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why would the owner, know better than the best jumps trainer in ireland, no point rushing that horse, would be throwing UDS into
a race like that before its ready, could possibly wreck a potential future star, judging by what the horse has already achieved, anyone who couldnt see this happening, was wishing on a star thinking that was going to turn up and beat that field in the CH. take it this trainer has a bad reputation, IMO must of reached the top of the training profession because he is very good and knows how to achieve the best from the horses he trains. |
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roadrunner if this horse was trained by anyone bar mullins there wouldn't even be a question over him taking his place in the CH,
Why isn't the horse ready to run in a CH?? ffs,i remember Sublimity beating a load of trees at Navan before taking his place in the CH and he subsequently pIssed up. |
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RR wouldn't have a clue as to the answer of that question Chelt.
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no way that horse was going to win this years champion hurdle, did my best to convince people, some of them even tried to tell me that
ruby walsh said this and that person said that, told them i trust IMO, and still wouldnt budge, it was all about the value and that was the value bet, if anyones clueless its them. never relie on what trainers say or the media, make up my own mind based on my judgements. might not always be the best informed, always and mostly can decipher these top grade races, that UDS didnt have the credentials this time round, like said next years race, who knows could be the one, thats if this years winner doesnt follow up again. |
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who sourced and bought this horse, lads?
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How much are peoples opinions based on their financial involvement betting wise with this horse ( and any other horses)? At the end of the day the owner , trainer , connections decide what is best for the horse and their ambitions . The current drift out to about 40 for the Champion Hurdle suggests this one is there in the entries as a justincasey .
Impressed with the style of racing , but in reality Un is likely to mop up other opportunities left open by other stable stars absence . Arkle and Flyingbolt never faced each other , that legacy still survives in many places . |
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In the end, Arkle and Flyingbolt never met on the racecourse but they did so at home as Pat Taaffe recounted in his book My Life & Arkle's.
"Flyingbolt was hacking along with Paddy Woods on his back and a funny look in his eye. Upsides on Arkle, I was thinking to myself that I would never see a prouder horse than this. Then he turned his head and slowly looked us over. You could almost see the curl of the lip. This was the 'Who are these peasants?' look of his that I was to come to know so well and I suppose I should have been forewarned. Next thing I knew he's taken a strong hold and was away. Not to be outdone, Arkle took an equally strong hold and got up alongside. And so these two young chasers who were then potentially the best in the world staged their own private race during what was supposed to be a normal session of morning schooling. They took the next four fences, neck and neck, flat out as though their lives depended on the outcome, while Paddy and I held on to them for dear life and waited for the fires to die down. Well, they cleared them all right, but it was a bit too close for comfort and Mr. Dreaper never allowed them to be schooled together again. In character, they were the night and the day. A small child could walk into Arkle's box in absolute safety. No child, no man would ever willingly step into Flyingbolt's.... at least, not twice. He'd kick the eye out of your head. But over jumps and on the flat he was a superb machine and a brave one.... For him, the future was limitless.... Certainly he was as good at seven as Arkle was at the same age.... If progress had been maintained, he would have been as good, if not better, than Arkle himself." Jim Dreaper, Tom's son, was just a schoolboy at the time and he recounted his thoughts on both Arkle and Flyingbolt to Hugh McIlvanney 30 years later. "It is foolish to say there can never be another steeplechaser as great as Arkle. There may have been one in the yard along with him. It is impossible to tell how fantastic Flyingbolt might have been if he had not contracted brucellosis." Arkle is generally acknowledged as being the greatest ever steeplechaser. Although he is officially the second-greatest of all time, Flyingbolt never got anything like the recognition he deserved. In an article in the Racing Post in March 2009, John Randall wrote, "In any era except that of Arkle, Flyingbolt would have reigned supreme, but he raced in the shadow of his stablemate and never received the credit he deserved. He was officially rated only one pound below Arkle, and although it defies belief that the two greatest steeplechasers of all time should have been in the same stable at the same time, with the same jockey and even the same groom (Johnny Lumley), the figures speak for themselves." When the Racing Post conducted a readers' poll in 2004 to determine the 100 favourite racehorses of all time, Arkle, predictably, was number one whilst Flyingbolt failed to make the list, lending credence to Randall's assertion that Flyingbolt was indeed "racing's greatest unsung hero." |
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roadrunner u have to be on the wind up,you the biggest after timing idiot ive ever came across in my life,u come out with all this bullshít about uds and how he was never gonna be good enough to win,as usual,After it's been suggested he wont take part.
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ask easygold, told him few months ago the horse wont be ready this year, WPM he must be an idiot too
or is it you and thepeople who thought UDS only had to turn up for the race to win, who are the idiots ![]() |