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paulie wallnuts
09 Feb 14 15:32
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I think that's what Barry Connell described him as earlier this year..... Somebody should tell Barry to open his eyes.....because big races aren't easy to win.....and if little Danny wins the champion hurdle... I will eat my toes.... one by one....his effort on the tullow tank today was as inept an effort as one is likely to see in a big race.....
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Report dj876 February 9, 2014 4:37 PM GMT
Out ridden by Ruby no doubt,in leaving a horse with more gears dictate from the front at a crawl but Ruby had plenty up his sleeve.
I am not defending Danny Mullins because I think he is clueless and he didn't give TTT any chance of winning but I don't think he would have beaten the winner whatever way it panned out today.
Report callitasucit February 9, 2014 4:38 PM GMT
Agree, he was poor again. I wont complain about it from a pocket point of view, as we all know who rides what before a race.

But if Danny wants to go racing to sit and admire Ruby, he be better off paying in like the rest of us, grab a seat in the stands, and not be risking life and limb for the privilege.
Report newapproach February 9, 2014 4:43 PM GMT
I think i'm on my own on this issue but I don't think he is half as bad as people make out on her. Today, the horse was never travelling down the back straight and was beaten by what looks a very high class horse. Best horse won imo and no jockey would have mad a difference.
I'm certainly not arguing that he is anywhere near as good as ruby or geraghty but apart from cooper and townend, he is our next best young jockey imo.
Report kavvie February 9, 2014 4:45 PM GMT
agree totally.im on our conor big time for ch.im worried..he dont seem to have any positive points sadly.oh for cooper to take the ride..
Report paulie wallnuts February 9, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
New approach ..... There are 20 riders in Ireland better than Danny Mullins ...... but they will never get the chances he has got..... for a horse that has won at the top level ...,. he can't even get it to jump properly ..... too far back .....and totally outridden.....
Report newapproach February 9, 2014 5:01 PM GMT
Well he mightn't be the best jockey in the world but surely those comments are massive exaggeration. If you can name 20 better jockeys than him, fair play to you.
He was very lucky to get the job for barry connell undoubtedly but he didn't get it for no good reason either. He was a good apprentice on the flat and rode a few good winners for his mother and shark hanlon I think when he went over jumps. I'm not saying he is a brilliant jockey but he can't be as bad as you are making out.
Report paulie wallnuts February 9, 2014 5:59 PM GMT
Ruby Walsh....Barry geraghty ..... Davy russell .....Brian cooper..... Paul townend..... Paul carberry .....Davy condon.....Robbie McNamara ....Brian O Connell..... Mikey Fogarty....Jane Mangan....Andrew lynch....Andrew McNamara.....Mark Enright.....Rob Jones....Derek O Connor....there's 16 who are all better.....some light years ahead of him.... and I'd have people like David Casey...Robert power... Mark Walsh .....Eddie O connell and Kevin Sexton ahead of him too.....where I would struggle is to find the twenty riders in this country..... that he is better than.....
Report callitasucit February 9, 2014 6:05 PM GMT
With Ger Fox's 7lb claim, I would include him there too. Serious talent
Report workrider February 9, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
Have to agree re Danny , hes so poor it hard to believe he has a license ...Barry had better bite the bullet and soon ...Unless that is he wants people to forget how poor a jockey he was himself , and is really putting Danny up to prove the point   ...Laugh
Report paulie wallnuts February 9, 2014 6:21 PM GMT
If Mullins was allowed claim 7 lb he wouldn't be value for it.....
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 6:25 PM GMT
Robbie Colgan another....You wouldn't see Rob Jones in many lists Paulie? 8 winners from last 200 odd rides.
Report paulie wallnuts February 9, 2014 6:35 PM GMT
Good jockey dj....doesn't get the recognition he deserves....
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
Plenty of preparatory work but more recognised jockeys currently get the winning opportunities perhaps.

On a different tangent what will Brian Cooper be riding in the champion hurdle?
Report silvergreaser February 9, 2014 7:10 PM GMT
Tidal Bay today what sort of ride was that?, the jockey didn't have a clue what he was trying to do, out the back up the front out the back, and then the horse decided as is Tidal Bays way I'll do it my way, put Darryl Jacob back on the horse.
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 7:13 PM GMT
Cry
Report silvergreaser February 9, 2014 7:18 PM GMT
stick your eyes up to air all you want dj but if that was some other jockey he would be Spanish Inquisitioned on here.
Report tony57 February 9, 2014 7:20 PM GMT
I have to say I thought danny mullins rode the wrong race, I don't understand why they let ruby didctate ? if ttt was mine I,d make the running with him and say come catch me.
Report ChildOfMine2 February 9, 2014 7:25 PM GMT
Lads, I wouldn't be Danny's biggest fan but The Tullow Tank has to be ridden a certain way, like most horses. When he saw that Ruby was going to make the pace on Vautour, what did yous expect Danny to do?? Go and make the pace with him??? The Tullow Tank had every chance today and never made any ground on Vautour from the last hurdle. A great exhibition from Ruby but Danny did little wrong in defeat! Better horse won, end of story!
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 7:25 PM GMT
44 runs,take a look but that is honestly the most ridiculous comment I have ever seen on this forum.
Report silvergreaser February 9, 2014 7:28 PM GMT
what are you getting at dj?, why would Walsh all of a sudden rush a horse who needs to be kidded along up towards the front of affairs, and then settle back again?

It was a stupid ride on a horse that needs coaxing.
Report The Gotchee February 9, 2014 8:32 PM GMT
From what I saw today, I didn't see what Danny Mullins did wrong in the race. I must be missing something that dj and paulie have seen. He was ridden the same way  when winning the Paddy Power future Champions Novice Hurdle (Grade 1) when there 8 lengths back to King of the Picts in second. Today, he finished second with King of the Picts 12 lengths back in third. An argument can be made that he improved from his last run and was beaten by a better horse today. Anyway, it doesn't surprise me with the likes of dj and paulie who wouldn't know their ar$e from their elbow. They can't see beyond odds on shots.
Report silvergreaser February 9, 2014 8:39 PM GMT
Gotchee Mullins did zilch wrong horse got outpaced by a superior animal, stayed on again but always been held by the comfortable winner.
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 8:52 PM GMT
dj876 • February 9, 2014 4:37 PM GMT

Out ridden by Ruby no doubt,in leaving a horse with more gears dictate from the front at a crawl but Ruby had plenty up his sleeve.
I am not defending Danny Mullins because I think he is clueless and he didn't give TTT any chance of winning but I don't think he would have beaten the winner whatever way it panned out today.
Report workrider February 9, 2014 8:56 PM GMT
I have to disagree lads . A poor ride even allowing for the larger beating of KOTP ...Danny went to sleep off what appeared a slow pace , surely he should have attacked before two out , not just after the turning in , knowing your horse will stay the trip why would you keep it so far back ...Not for a sprint finish is TTT noted , more of a grinder imo...
Report callitasucit February 9, 2014 8:59 PM GMT
Mullins went to post on an even money fav. I didn't watch the betting in running, but I would hazard a guess that Vautour was fav before they reached the second. Mullins compromised his chances immediately by allowing Ruby an easy lead. You could say, 'well if Mullins though Ruby was going to lead, why would he take him on, he thought he would go quicker'.

Boll*x. Why would Ruby go quicker? He had been gifted a soft lead, and could set the fractions that best suited his horse. He has no peer in the pace setting department. Frankie on the flat would be similarly brilliant. Mullins, or his defenders, cannot simply say, oh well I put him where I did the last day but he just wasn't good enough. Its a different race, it was a different pace. From straight after flagfall, he was chasing his tail, and that is down to Mullins decision making. Its a huge part of raceriding, its what he is paid top dollar for, and he gets it wrong more often than not.

From there, I don't think TTT helped him one bit, patently trying to lug out to his right, and suggesting connections fears before his win at Christmas may have been well founded. But I don't think he would have won regardless of that, the race was lost by then, but may have if Mullins was wiser to Ruby from an earlier stage. A top jockey will make mistakes, but he will learn from them, and rarely repeat them. Mullins repeats them, again and again.
Report paulie wallnuts February 9, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
The horse ran a corker today..... Nobody is disputing that.... he is essentially a strong stayer who was ridden for a non existent turn of foot.....by a jockey who has less brain power than his partner....the horse is a grinder who's going to be best served in a protracted battle..... It's just a shame he was too far out of his ground to get into one ......he got a bad ride at Xmas too by the way..,..and got one of the worst rides of the season in Naas....but each time the horse got the jockey out of trouble....everybody knew he was a grinder.... so why hang on to the horse for a turn of foot ......the fact that he is now being aimed at the Neptune just shows how pathetic little Danny's tactics were ....
Report pa lapsy February 9, 2014 9:48 PM GMT
Being saying for ages it,s almost if Ruby has a divine right to lead if he wants,tend to think also the riding instructions for the Tullow Tank could be wrong,why not leave him go off in front and wind it up?Horse has stayer written all over him and finds,so agree what you are saying above.
Today not sure if TTT would have won anyway,maybe underestimated Vautour a bit and looks a right serious horse. While was sweet on Wicklow Brave for the Supreme that performance dampened that somewhat.
Report callitasucit February 9, 2014 9:53 PM GMT
Winner did look good, really attacked his hurdles. It may turn out to be a poor year for the Supreme, but I still wouldn't be in a rush to back him. Better ground, and no such kindness from opposing jockeys(there was more than Mullins that was Ruby gazing today) will be a whole different to todays circumstances.

What I most annoyed about is that TTT now seems likely to go for Neptune. Have backed him for Supreme, and Faugheen for Neptune. Him winning the Neptune would be tough.
Report paulie wallnuts February 9, 2014 10:09 PM GMT
The thing is .....he is going for the Neptune more than likely on the advice of the litle man aboard..... and I'd say Danny wouldn't know the difference between Frankel and Joncol if he was riding them......Connell doesn't deserve any better....saw him on the telly today in the parade ring with the man who suggested buying mossey joe.. Old kilcash and luska lad.... Three years down the line and he's still standing for him .....loyalty is one thing.... Downright stupidity is another....
Report pa lapsy February 9, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
He,d have a better chance going for the Supreme imo even though he stays so well and will have the likely good going,won,t beat Faugheen in a fit Callit,tactics were certainly wrong today,needs to race more up with the pace.
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 10:31 PM GMT
He doesn't come across as the sharpest in his interviews to be fair,but has made plenty from initially NCB and has since led numerous investment funds including Rockview Merrion. I am sure there are plenty taking him for a ride while he is pursuing his hobby though.

The Neptune definitely takes less race riding than a Supreme,11-14's  look generous odds to me. The English novice hurdlers look below average and of the top 10 quoted,I'd say 3/4 of them will line up.
Report wildmanfromborneo February 9, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
Horses don't jump for Danny Mullins.

A lot of the criticism here is harsh though,it was a supreme ride by Ruby Walsh as good as you will see,waiting in front not easy to do although Brian OConnell did it to a lesser extent on Last Instalment later.
I was fairly sure Quickpick Vic would make it,pretty sure Danny Mullins instructions were based on that premise.

I backed Vautour and was more confident after they jumped two as everything was going his way,doubt if he will win at Cheltenham though.

Silvergreaser constantly says its horses that win races but In Vautour and Tammys Hill cases it was the jockey that did the winning.
Report easygold February 9, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
New Approach........ have a look at his ride 3 out on Katies Benefit when second to Dresstothenines, I`m sure you will have a different opinion.
Report callitasucit February 9, 2014 10:44 PM GMT
Before today, Mullins was adamant that he was Supreme bound, and certainly shouldn't go for Neptune. He is blaming the horse for his errors, and potentially costing him a much better chance of victory. I agree he would be better served by the likelihood of fast run two mile Supreme. And there certainly doesn't look to be a potential superstar in it.

If you **** up, stand up, say it, and move on.
Report wildmanfromborneo February 9, 2014 10:48 PM GMT
He is a stayer and a poor enough jumper,little chance over two miles they will jump far too fast for him.
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
Yeah I'd agree with that,I don't think TTT has the speed to win a supreme regardless of the pace they go,even though al Ferof and Champagne Fever have won it in recent years they both got peaches.
Report pa lapsy February 9, 2014 11:04 PM GMT
Still all the same has the Royal Bond and that G1 at Leopardstown over Christmas both over fairly decent ground and 2m, though the ones behind have done little for the form since. Original thought of the Supreme was to duck Faugheen i,d say,very possible could be looking to duck Vauntour now. Slipped up by not given him an entry in the 3m.
Report The Gotchee February 9, 2014 11:10 PM GMT
TTT has won two  Novice Grade 1 hurdles yet not one winner has come out of either of them races. TTT is over rated and has no chance of being placed in any of his Cheltenham engagements. He was beaten by a better horse today, it's as simple as that.
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 11:35 PM GMT
The last time I heard the Gotchee so certain about something was "a 2 runner maiden at Dundalk"Surprised
Report wildmanfromborneo February 9, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
Was fairly certain about Trifolium winning at Leopardstown last meeting,he recommended the 10/1was right too.
Report dj876 February 9, 2014 11:46 PM GMT
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day,he has put up 6 losers since Trifolium and is incapable of reading a thread let alone a race.He is a vindictive individual who has ran some of the best posters off here and his racing knowledge is extremely limited which youcan tell b even glancing at his posts.

He became more confident about Our Conor relishing good ground because a 4yo gelding by the same sire wins a mickey mouse maiden at Dundalk.
Report wildmanfromborneo February 9, 2014 11:50 PM GMT
I think he recommended Quickpick Vic on that same Leopardstown card.

Is it not you being vindictive,you can surely disagree with someone without denigrating them.

What was your previous username ?
Report BJG February 10, 2014 12:01 AM GMT
Thought it was a shockin ride, he knew he was on a stayer, all he had to do was sit on rubys shoulder if he didnt want to make it! He gifted Vautour 5l down the back and was never gonna get it back off dat slow pace! Was askin myself half way round wat he was doin....

A very average jockey who somehow has one of the best jobs in irish racing! Reckon Barry Connell himself would ride more winners
Report paulie wallnuts February 10, 2014 10:45 AM GMT
The funny thing is.....that Connell seems to be in the game for the long haul.....and these expensive purchases are mostly chasers in the making......the tullow tank looks all over a chaser.....as do horses like double irish and golantilla.....even Our Conor will go chasing next year once he finishes unplaced in this years champion......and unbelievably how ever bad danny is over hurdles.....hes much worse over fences.....he's too light for strapping chasers.....you only have to see him on foxrock in Naas....to see exactly what I mean.....
Report workrider February 10, 2014 12:46 PM GMT
A divergence of opinions abound , and rightly so , some for and some against ..Danny has proved himself a controversial fellow to say the least , money talks and Danny has upset many on here in the recent past ..To say he is tactically naive is a fair comment , for me he has disimproved at a rate of knots ..Never more highlighted than his riding of several of Barrys horses at the LAST leopardstown meeting ...He has become a liability and I can't see him lasting in his present post after this season ...
Report silvergreaser February 10, 2014 12:47 PM GMT
What a huge overreaction, you could just picture Danny going off in front only to set it up for Ruby to stalk him and do him for speed, its a lose lose once Danny Mullins is involved, maybe Vautour is simply a better horse?.
It won by a comfortable 3L's for heavens sake.
Report pa lapsy February 10, 2014 12:47 PM GMT
Re Silvergreaser 19.10;
Ruby did admit post race maybe he should have kicked on, still though that was about 7 out when he was in a good position to do so.
On all past evidence on the(talented) monkey that is Tidal Bay, couldn,t for the life of see him manage to lead from so far out,more likely he would have "downed tools" imo.
Though on the best horse on the day thought Brian O'Connell rode a terrific race on the winner by taking it by the scruff and putting it to bed before turning in.
Report Bigwillystyle February 10, 2014 12:54 PM GMT
Silver he neither did one nor the other.  He was 5 or 6 L off him all the way.  I have said for a long time that horses do not jump for him.  He looks like he is going to fall off at every fence and his balance looks terrible.  How many times did he lose 3 or 4L at christmas at the second last at Leopardstown.  I counted at least 5 or 6.
Report workrider February 10, 2014 12:55 PM GMT
The reason he won by 3 lts is simple , if he had put the gun to rubys head before 2 out its possible we just might have had a different result Silvergreaser .As it stood ruby had the run of the race and was in total control , he knew TTT was going to need a faster pace .. Remember his words after getting beat by TTT on M.P. He said they went TOO FAST , HE WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE....
Report callitasucit February 10, 2014 1:01 PM GMT
That's the difference in a nutshell WR. Good jockeys don't repeat their error. Mullins does, consistently.
Report pa lapsy February 10, 2014 1:03 PM GMT
Can,t disagree with any of that WR but not too sure the result would be different. Thought Mick Fitz comments regarding TTT,s head hanging badly all the way down the back straight were well wrong though the angle is bad,the few angles that i saw his head was as straight as a gun barrel. Maybe unfortunately again acting the apologist.
Report silvergreaser February 10, 2014 1:03 PM GMT
All surmising, for the world of me I can't find any reason to say the result would've been different no matter what way the race was run.

Vautour looked like he had plenty left in the tank.
Report workrider February 10, 2014 1:06 PM GMT
Silvergreaser , of course its all surmising , but think about it , what's the best way to get a stayer beat ..You've guessed it , a slow gallop ..Simple...
Report paulie wallnuts February 10, 2014 1:59 PM GMT
At xmas he gave moyle park too much rope.....but that horse wasnt right that day.....and wasnt able to capitalise.....he hasnt been seen since so its patently ovbious he wasnt at his best.....he rode an identical race yesterday.....but this time he ran into a top horse in perfect health......and paid the penalty.....in all likelihood Vatour is a brilliant horse himself......so giving him a 6 length head start.....is all the more ridiculous.....
Report wixim February 11, 2014 2:16 AM GMT
So Paulie.
Your suggesting that Danny is supposed to know that Vatour is "in all likelihood a brilliant horse" even before the race and ride accordingly regardless of possible instruction , when in fact nobody(and that includes you)knew how good he was or still is. With that school of thought what is the point of even running the race. And as regards B Connell being "down right stupid". As a man who made millions and contributes handsomely to Irish racing ( and indirectly your pleasure form the game ). Id love to get his thoughts on forum idiots with nothing better to do than constantly write on here lambasting his jockey. Im sure "downright stupid " would be a modest retort. 
When you have your own string of horses spread across the country paying countless fees to thankful trainers and retain your own jockey who you see fit to be riding your horses . Perhaps then, when you are paying the bills you might be entitled to moan and pontificate as much as you do about an individual jockey.
His name is beside the horse on the racecard , its not a secret. If you have that much of a problem with him , use it to your advantage and back something else.
Best horse won Sunday.
Report paulie wallnuts February 11, 2014 8:51 AM GMT
Wixim......I will put down the rubbish you wrote down to inebriation......the early hour post is indicative of such.....
Firstly......most people at leopardstown would have been of the opinion that vautour was an excellent horse.....and a very dangerous opponent to the tullow tank.....certainly not the kind of horse to be gifting 6 lengths to at the second last......and definitely not a horse that you could be clattering every second hurdle against.....Vautour wasn't disputing favouritism for Cheltenham because he spent the last 6 months looking over a barn door......
Now on to Barry Connell......comes across as a decent person......far too decent for some of the people involved in parts of the horse racing industry......he may well have made millions from whatever he does.....but in a lot of cases expertise at one game doesn't transfer to another......and that is the case here.....Sean Quinn may well have been an expert in building and insurance.....but when he got into the Anglo swimming pool.....sadly he drowned......
Now I will never even have a horse.....not to mind a string of them ......but that doesn't mean I cannot see glaring faults in what is going on in this operation......the simple fact is.....if Danny wasn't riding for Connell.....he would have no ride in any championship race at the festival......if it was up to the trainers of the horses involved.....he wouldn't be riding them either.....so how in gods name does Barry Connell think he is worth retaining......
And finally.....if you bet on Irish racing......encountering Danny Mullins is unavoidable......when he is riding the best horses in certain races......it can be difficult not to support them with your cash.....because some of the time......he can be ok......but he is food and drink for the bigger jockeys......he is nowhere near the overall standard required.....for the position he is in......
Report kavvie February 11, 2014 9:43 AM GMT
paulie im on our side in the general point but wixim makes his points well and shows no sign of inebration to me.barry is entitled to spend his money how and when he wants.would long run have won more if bg was riding him?..of course  but the owner wanted his son up..the owner pays the bills and can put up who he wants.if he thinks danny is good enough to ride g1 horses then thats his choice.nothing we can do about it.
Report kavvie February 11, 2014 9:43 AM GMT
your not our..
Report paulie wallnuts February 11, 2014 10:08 AM GMT
Kavvie......I don't think he made his points well at all.....I disagree strongly with what he said.....I would say everybody at the track had an idea how good vautour was.....I would say Barry Connell's knowledge of the game is significantly less than some of the so called "forum idiots"......I don't know anybody in this game except him who thinks Danny mullins is fit to ride these horses.....not one person......and yes the man that pays the piper calls the tune......but this isn't a very nice song......and having to listen to it day in day out is very frustrating........
The long run example is slightly different......that is somebody who has gazillions.....wanting their son to do the steering......they will get more satisfaction out of their son being placed.....than other people winning on the horse.....and I don't see anything wrong with that.....every parent is going to try and help their kids try and fulfil their ambitions.....in some shape or form.....the irony here is that for somebody with such an intense dislike for Willie Mullins......he is putting up his nephew......and helping Willie without even realising it......
Report kavvie February 11, 2014 10:17 AM GMT
im not disputing the ineptness.im just saying hes entitled to put him up.and i agree re giving vantour 6 l at 2nd last..but im of the opinion that the trip was too short for ttt.but even so ..he was in the wrong place
Report MWDS February 11, 2014 10:21 AM GMT
why....do you write....like this....it's really....quite annoying
Report kavvie February 11, 2014 10:29 AM GMT
welcome to the forum mwds.your on betfair 13 years and your 25th post concerns paulies writing!?!?the spelling is ok its easy understand?he put in a few extra dots.?
Report silvergreaser February 11, 2014 11:29 AM GMT
Where was all these mistakes Paulie?, the horse made what I would call a slight error at the 2nd last and was a little slow over one earlier in the race other than that I thought the horse jumped as well as he has ever done on Sunday.

6Ls off at the 2nd last?? more like 3L's the distance he was beaten, actually for most of the race the horse sat just in behind the front two I don't think the horse was ever 6L's behind the leader at any stage.

But you're ok Paulie Kevin Blake looks like he's pocket talking too, but it seems in his case his antepost voucher has clouded his vision even more.

http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/article.php?id=3966&cid=5
Report pa lapsy February 11, 2014 11:55 AM GMT
I must have read a different piece by KB,yeah he did say it was bad positional ride by DM,have to agree as he didn,t react to the slowish pace by RW. Not an unfair comment as RW was always going to try and quicken at some stage leaving DM having to make up ground. DM,s reaction to what was happening in the race was both slow and and non decisive.As said before not sure it ultimately mattered on the day.
KB makes a case that the positions could be reversed in the Supreme,i,d back that in a match bet if the price was right. Vautour won,t have the luxury of dictating the pace in that,if he wants to lead will have to go some lick and no doubt will be harried,point taking by earlier posters about TTT jumping at a fast pace in it would be a worry but no doubt to me he would be the horse coming up the hill best.
Report paulie wallnuts February 11, 2014 12:00 PM GMT
Whatever you say silvergreaser........I wouldn't call the mistake he made at the second last a slight error......it cost the horse valuable momentum........the second last at leopardstown is a pivotal obstacle...... be it the hurdle or a fence.....generally speaking when a horse makes an error there......his chance has gone......the winner was expert like at the obstacles.....the second hit the fourth last and the second last .....which at this level is two mistakes too many......
Report workrider February 11, 2014 12:05 PM GMT
When all is said and done , Danny is simply not good enough to be riding such good horses ..Barry pays the piper as has been said , as far as he's concerned Danny is his man , and fair enough ..Sadly for the everyday punter Danny falls down more often than not , of course there are much better jockeys than him riding at the minute , as someone said already , its possible he would not have a ride at the festival if he was not riding for Barry , infact HOW many outside rides does he get ...I think we all know the answer to that...
Report silvergreaser February 11, 2014 12:10 PM GMT
pa virtually all of these small field races on heavy ground are run a snails pace compared to the big field festival races.

Blake seems upset that connections are contemplating the Neptune which might mean he's sitting on antepost voucher for the Supreme?.

As for his stats about Walsh riding from the front how many of these horses never previously front runned just decided to make it in a small field?, a 99% chance if these front runners were held up for a late run instead they would still have won the race, pointless stat that holds no water because you haven't got a clue if the horse is going to make the running or not unless its an habitual front runner.
Report workrider February 11, 2014 12:14 PM GMT
Silvergreaser , I think you have Kevin wrong re the a/post bet , he doesn't back in n/hunt races , he only bets on the flat ..So i very much doubt his bet comes into the equation ....
Report pa lapsy February 11, 2014 12:23 PM GMT
He might be holding an antepost voucher but also might just be giving his viewpoint that the Neptune is an over reaction and makes his case of why the connections shouldn,t dismiss the supreme. For all the bad feeling thrown at Willie Mullins in regards giving his horses firm targets there is a certain rightness now as while he might have a good idea plans could change. Philip Fenton before Sunday was quite adamant it was the supreme and seems likely people have done their dough on his say so at this stage.
Can,t from that piece by KB say he has backed him.
Report silvergreaser February 11, 2014 12:23 PM GMT
Surely he has a few bets at the Cheltenham festival workrider?, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't back at all on national hunt racing, or if he doesn't its just a new phenomenon, because he discovered "it can be done" of course?.

Fine if its only his opinion then its only his opinion doesnt make his opinion fool proof just because he's a racing journalist and presenter.
Report workrider February 11, 2014 12:31 PM GMT
Of course it doesn't Silvergreaser , but he is one journo i would respect  , i would value his opinion more , simply because he has no cash involvement ...Off to do a bit of form studying ..BTW I SEE MOSSEY JOE HAS BEEN GIVEN 11ST 1 LB FOR THE GRAND NATIONAL ..THAT SCUPPERS HIM I'M AFRAID...
Report kavvie February 11, 2014 1:23 PM GMT
too much weight wr?..i like one down at bottom of weights..if he gets in
Report neill d February 11, 2014 1:36 PM GMT
They've Cheltenham, Aintree, punchestown and Stratford Hunter Chases to run him in. In each race he'd be by far the best horse on raw ability. They'd be wrong to run him in the National.

I'd be of the same opinion with Tidal Bay, the National doesn't suit hold-up horses. The Lexus/Welsh National should have been his two chief seasonal targets with a run in the Gold Cup as his sign-off. I think Nicholls has targeted him at the National for the prizemoney as it could be the difference for him in the Trainer's championship like it was a few years ago with Neptune Collonges. We've been here before with Tidal and it can't be the best thing for the horse surely. it is repeating the same mistake.
Report neill d February 11, 2014 1:36 PM GMT
Lexus/WN and Irish Hennessey I should say.
Report The Gotchee February 11, 2014 2:20 PM GMT
The Tullow Tank was just not good enough. Along with King of the Picts, he ran to form on Sunday. He has no business going for the Supreme Novice Hurdle and if he does he will be only making up the numbers. He could try the Neptune where the trip will be more suitable and I would give him a squeak. His future lies over fences as a staying chaser.
Report richters February 22, 2014 3:59 PM GMT
Astonishing effort on mount belbulben,near fell off and lost irons at the 2nd,looked as if he was going to fall off at every other fence losing 2 or 3 lengths each time and having to come off the bridle to make up ground,ohh and did i mention he fkd up my 50 4 timer of balder success,irving and grandeur......
Report easygold February 22, 2014 5:32 PM GMT
So why put him in ur bet. I have to laugh at guys back these poor jocks before the off.
Report mitch leary February 22, 2014 6:02 PM GMT
you should have left him out and just done the treble.
Report paulie wallnuts February 22, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
I actually backed mount benbulben today......even though I don't rate the jockey......to me he didn't do any worse than I thought he would......losing the irons cost him virtually nothing......and ultimately the horse was most disappointing......his jumping wasn't any worse than I thought it might be.........and he looked a non stayer in the finish.....after all the hype about the horse the bottom line is.....that hes a useless goat.....he cant jump.....he cant go left handed....and now he doesn't stay......I know people will be saying he won a grade 1 at punchestown......but punchestown is only a kip really.....form very often counts for nowt at that meeting.....the meeting is littered with rubbish grade 1 winners every single year......hes a good grade 3 horse....if he can manage to get round......
Report allways collects February 22, 2014 9:38 PM GMT
He didn't go any worse than you expected him too........and you still backed him......Wallnuts you do talk some amount of tripe..
Report paulie wallnuts February 22, 2014 9:49 PM GMT
Always collects......maybe basic reading is beyond you.....but I said he didn't do any worse than I expected......not he didn't go any worse than I expected......
A simple explanation of that.....and it looks like one is necessary for you.....is that when you back danny and he gives a horse a ride like he did day then you have to be happy.....because quite often he is a hell of a lot worse.....when you back him you are obviously not going to get a ride like Walsh Geraghty and some other top jocks are capable of.....
Report silvergreaser February 22, 2014 10:17 PM GMT
here is a horse that is prone to errors regardless who rides it and yet Danny gets slaughtered because its fashionable.

Anyone ever watch the 2010 Gold Cup to see a jockey totally ill at ease with the horse underneath him???
Report allways collects February 22, 2014 10:59 PM GMT
No paulie wallnuts no explanation is needed....It's a very SIMPLE scenario anybody who backs a horse DM rides at short odds is a fool...They say the jockey factor is factored into the price,if so his mounts should all start at 10/1 and work from there...A horse running tomorrow who will actually get some help from the saddle (not that it will be needed) is the unlucky Golantilla and I say unlucky for 2 reasons. Firstly he would have won last years champion bumper had DM not ridden him. And secondly, whilst he will win tomorrow he has to travel all the way over to Cheltenham to get another shocking ride....Like I said fools and there money are easily parted......
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 1:41 PM GMT
allways,
   ive backed the mullins runner in the bumper not that I think its a better horse than GOLANTILLA but that I think the horse may need the run..and tony martins are not excactly running well..
Report allways collects February 23, 2014 2:04 PM GMT
This lad is bursting for a run, would be disapointed if he couldn't put this lot away easily......Cheltenham is off the cards if he can't according to yard.....
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 2:54 PM GMT
that's my point, I think it,ll need it the mullins horse on this ground is decent I promise you..so I think it,ll be tight.and @11/4 hes the bet
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 5:08 PM GMT
there you go..bumpers are my thing...
Report dj876 February 23, 2014 5:49 PM GMT
Is this why you modestly refer to yourself as The Bumper King ?
Report CheltenhamRoar February 23, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
Well done tony great shout,Won easily.
Report allways collects February 23, 2014 6:13 PM GMT
Credit given where it is due Great Call tony57, to say the fav needed the run is an under statement
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 6:26 PM GMT
truth dj,..I do not call myself the bumper king..but it was a nickname that I got on olbg..4-5 yrs ago witch people used to take the piiss out of me and it was just a laugh..
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 6:27 PM GMT
thanks allways but it was just a hunch tbh..and martins stable form.
Report dj876 February 23, 2014 6:31 PM GMT
I presume OBLG is another forum? I see you have named your blog on here The Bumper King as well.
Anyway nice winner,you were certainly correct about him being overpriced at 11/4.
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 6:32 PM GMT
does make me laugh tho dj..when you and others on here are full of yourselves on issues and try to belittle others with different opinions,..accuse me of modesty..Blush
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 6:34 PM GMT
yes dj it was a joke..that stuck so that's all..
Report dj876 February 23, 2014 6:47 PM GMT
Tony 57,
Anyone that regularly puts up horses who are having their first runs in bumpers and their selection process consists of trained by x an an inane reference such as horse is by Presenting deserves to be ridiculed.

Winners and losers were put up today with logical analysis applied to their selections (outcome is almost immaterial), suggesting horses making their debuts in bumpers on the night before a race is the equivalent of playing Bingo.

Your comment after the race "Bumpers are my thing" and referring to yourself as the bumper king perhaps give a more honest insight.
Report tony57 February 23, 2014 6:55 PM GMT
maybe so dj..I disagree..just cos yourself or others dislike what others say then fine..say so..but don't try to belittle them..i just think its not nice..opinions are great ..and we are more wrong than we are right..no one is right all the time..but some on here (not saying you)think they are and have a right to disrespect others...disagreements are par for the course..but agree to disagree...not belittle..
Report pa lapsy March 11, 2014 3:50 PM GMT
Well Paulie what you said might happen did,horse seems okay which is the main thing,suppose it could have happened any other jock, you were right though.
Report tips March 11, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
rip our connorSad
Report pa lapsy March 11, 2014 3:55 PM GMT
Apologies for my post,someone on the HR forum said he was fine.
Would never have posted if i knew he was fatally injured.
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