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Was fairly certain about Trifolium winning at Leopardstown last meeting,he recommended the 10/1was right too.
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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day,he has put up 6 losers since Trifolium and is incapable of reading a thread let alone a race.He is a vindictive individual who has ran some of the best posters off here and his racing knowledge is extremely limited which youcan tell b even glancing at his posts.
He became more confident about Our Conor relishing good ground because a 4yo gelding by the same sire wins a mickey mouse maiden at Dundalk. |
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I think he recommended Quickpick Vic on that same Leopardstown card.
Is it not you being vindictive,you can surely disagree with someone without denigrating them. What was your previous username ? |
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Thought it was a shockin ride, he knew he was on a stayer, all he had to do was sit on rubys shoulder if he didnt want to make it! He gifted Vautour 5l down the back and was never gonna get it back off dat slow pace! Was askin myself half way round wat he was doin....
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The funny thing is.....that Connell seems to be in the game for the long haul.....and these expensive purchases are mostly chasers in the making......the tullow tank looks all over a chaser.....as do horses like double irish and golantilla.....even Our Conor will go chasing next year once he finishes unplaced in this years champion......and unbelievably how ever bad danny is over hurdles.....hes much worse over fences.....he's too light for strapping chasers.....you only have to see him on foxrock in Naas....to see exactly what I mean.....
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A divergence of opinions abound , and rightly so , some for and some against ..Danny has proved himself a controversial fellow to say the least , money talks and Danny has upset many on here in the recent past ..To say he is tactically naive is a fair comment , for me he has disimproved at a rate of knots ..Never more highlighted than his riding of several of Barrys horses at the LAST leopardstown meeting ...He has become a liability and I can't see him lasting in his present post after this season ...
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What a huge overreaction, you could just picture Danny going off in front only to set it up for Ruby to stalk him and do him for speed, its a lose lose once Danny Mullins is involved, maybe Vautour is simply a better horse?.
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Re Silvergreaser 19.10;
Ruby did admit post race maybe he should have kicked on, still though that was about 7 out when he was in a good position to do so. On all past evidence on the(talented) monkey that is Tidal Bay, couldn,t for the life of see him manage to lead from so far out,more likely he would have "downed tools" imo. Though on the best horse on the day thought Brian O'Connell rode a terrific race on the winner by taking it by the scruff and putting it to bed before turning in. |
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Silver he neither did one nor the other. He was 5 or 6 L off him all the way. I have said for a long time that horses do not jump for him. He looks like he is going to fall off at every fence and his balance looks terrible. How many times did he lose 3 or 4L at christmas at the second last at Leopardstown. I counted at least 5 or 6.
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The reason he won by 3 lts is simple , if he had put the gun to rubys head before 2 out its possible we just might have had a different result Silvergreaser .As it stood ruby had the run of the race and was in total control , he knew TTT was going to need a faster pace .. Remember his words after getting beat by TTT on M.P. He said they went TOO FAST , HE WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE....
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That's the difference in a nutshell WR. Good jockeys don't repeat their error. Mullins does, consistently.
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Can,t disagree with any of that WR but not too sure the result would be different. Thought Mick Fitz comments regarding TTT,s head hanging badly all the way down the back straight were well wrong though the angle is bad,the few angles that i saw his head was as straight as a gun barrel. Maybe unfortunately again acting the apologist.
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All surmising, for the world of me I can't find any reason to say the result would've been different no matter what way the race was run.
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Silvergreaser , of course its all surmising , but think about it , what's the best way to get a stayer beat ..You've guessed it , a slow gallop ..Simple...
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At xmas he gave moyle park too much rope.....but that horse wasnt right that day.....and wasnt able to capitalise.....he hasnt been seen since so its patently ovbious he wasnt at his best.....he rode an identical race yesterday.....but this time he ran into a top horse in perfect health......and paid the penalty.....in all likelihood Vatour is a brilliant horse himself......so giving him a 6 length head start.....is all the more ridiculous.....
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So Paulie.
Your suggesting that Danny is supposed to know that Vatour is "in all likelihood a brilliant horse" even before the race and ride accordingly regardless of possible instruction , when in fact nobody(and that includes you)knew how good he was or still is. With that school of thought what is the point of even running the race. And as regards B Connell being "down right stupid". As a man who made millions and contributes handsomely to Irish racing ( and indirectly your pleasure form the game ). Id love to get his thoughts on forum idiots with nothing better to do than constantly write on here lambasting his jockey. Im sure "downright stupid " would be a modest retort. When you have your own string of horses spread across the country paying countless fees to thankful trainers and retain your own jockey who you see fit to be riding your horses . Perhaps then, when you are paying the bills you might be entitled to moan and pontificate as much as you do about an individual jockey. His name is beside the horse on the racecard , its not a secret. If you have that much of a problem with him , use it to your advantage and back something else. Best horse won Sunday. |
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Wixim......I will put down the rubbish you wrote down to inebriation......the early hour post is indicative of such.....
Firstly......most people at leopardstown would have been of the opinion that vautour was an excellent horse.....and a very dangerous opponent to the tullow tank.....certainly not the kind of horse to be gifting 6 lengths to at the second last......and definitely not a horse that you could be clattering every second hurdle against.....Vautour wasn't disputing favouritism for Cheltenham because he spent the last 6 months looking over a barn door...... Now on to Barry Connell......comes across as a decent person......far too decent for some of the people involved in parts of the horse racing industry......he may well have made millions from whatever he does.....but in a lot of cases expertise at one game doesn't transfer to another......and that is the case here.....Sean Quinn may well have been an expert in building and insurance.....but when he got into the Anglo swimming pool.....sadly he drowned...... Now I will never even have a horse.....not to mind a string of them ......but that doesn't mean I cannot see glaring faults in what is going on in this operation......the simple fact is.....if Danny wasn't riding for Connell.....he would have no ride in any championship race at the festival......if it was up to the trainers of the horses involved.....he wouldn't be riding them either.....so how in gods name does Barry Connell think he is worth retaining...... And finally.....if you bet on Irish racing......encountering Danny Mullins is unavoidable......when he is riding the best horses in certain races......it can be difficult not to support them with your cash.....because some of the time......he can be ok......but he is food and drink for the bigger jockeys......he is nowhere near the overall standard required.....for the position he is in...... |
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paulie im on our side in the general point but wixim makes his points well and shows no sign of inebration to me.barry is entitled to spend his money how and when he wants.would long run have won more if bg was riding him?..of course but the owner wanted his son up..the owner pays the bills and can put up who he wants.if he thinks danny is good enough to ride g1 horses then thats his choice.nothing we can do about it.
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your not our..
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Kavvie......I don't think he made his points well at all.....I disagree strongly with what he said.....I would say everybody at the track had an idea how good vautour was.....I would say Barry Connell's knowledge of the game is significantly less than some of the so called "forum idiots"......I don't know anybody in this game except him who thinks Danny mullins is fit to ride these horses.....not one person......and yes the man that pays the piper calls the tune......but this isn't a very nice song......and having to listen to it day in day out is very frustrating........
The long run example is slightly different......that is somebody who has gazillions.....wanting their son to do the steering......they will get more satisfaction out of their son being placed.....than other people winning on the horse.....and I don't see anything wrong with that.....every parent is going to try and help their kids try and fulfil their ambitions.....in some shape or form.....the irony here is that for somebody with such an intense dislike for Willie Mullins......he is putting up his nephew......and helping Willie without even realising it...... |
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im not disputing the ineptness.im just saying hes entitled to put him up.and i agree re giving vantour 6 l at 2nd last..but im of the opinion that the trip was too short for ttt.but even so ..he was in the wrong place
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why....do you write....like this....it's really....quite annoying
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welcome to the forum mwds.your on betfair 13 years and your 25th post concerns paulies writing!?!?the spelling is ok its easy understand?he put in a few extra dots.?
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Where was all these mistakes Paulie?, the horse made what I would call a slight error at the 2nd last and was a little slow over one earlier in the race other than that I thought the horse jumped as well as he has ever done on Sunday.
6Ls off at the 2nd last?? more like 3L's the distance he was beaten, actually for most of the race the horse sat just in behind the front two I don't think the horse was ever 6L's behind the leader at any stage. But you're ok Paulie Kevin Blake looks like he's pocket talking too, but it seems in his case his antepost voucher has clouded his vision even more. http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/article.php?id=3966&cid=5 |
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I must have read a different piece by KB,yeah he did say it was bad positional ride by DM,have to agree as he didn,t react to the slowish pace by RW. Not an unfair comment as RW was always going to try and quicken at some stage leaving DM having to make up ground. DM,s reaction to what was happening in the race was both slow and and non decisive.As said before not sure it ultimately mattered on the day.
KB makes a case that the positions could be reversed in the Supreme,i,d back that in a match bet if the price was right. Vautour won,t have the luxury of dictating the pace in that,if he wants to lead will have to go some lick and no doubt will be harried,point taking by earlier posters about TTT jumping at a fast pace in it would be a worry but no doubt to me he would be the horse coming up the hill best. |
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Whatever you say silvergreaser........I wouldn't call the mistake he made at the second last a slight error......it cost the horse valuable momentum........the second last at leopardstown is a pivotal obstacle...... be it the hurdle or a fence.....generally speaking when a horse makes an error there......his chance has gone......the winner was expert like at the obstacles.....the second hit the fourth last and the second last .....which at this level is two mistakes too many......
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When all is said and done , Danny is simply not good enough to be riding such good horses ..Barry pays the piper as has been said , as far as he's concerned Danny is his man , and fair enough ..Sadly for the everyday punter Danny falls down more often than not , of course there are much better jockeys than him riding at the minute , as someone said already , its possible he would not have a ride at the festival if he was not riding for Barry , infact HOW many outside rides does he get ...I think we all know the answer to that...
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pa virtually all of these small field races on heavy ground are run a snails pace compared to the big field festival races.
Blake seems upset that connections are contemplating the Neptune which might mean he's sitting on antepost voucher for the Supreme?. As for his stats about Walsh riding from the front how many of these horses never previously front runned just decided to make it in a small field?, a 99% chance if these front runners were held up for a late run instead they would still have won the race, pointless stat that holds no water because you haven't got a clue if the horse is going to make the running or not unless its an habitual front runner. |
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Silvergreaser , I think you have Kevin wrong re the a/post bet , he doesn't back in n/hunt races , he only bets on the flat ..So i very much doubt his bet comes into the equation ....
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He might be holding an antepost voucher but also might just be giving his viewpoint that the Neptune is an over reaction and makes his case of why the connections shouldn,t dismiss the supreme. For all the bad feeling thrown at Willie Mullins in regards giving his horses firm targets there is a certain rightness now as while he might have a good idea plans could change. Philip Fenton before Sunday was quite adamant it was the supreme and seems likely people have done their dough on his say so at this stage.
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Surely he has a few bets at the Cheltenham festival workrider?, I find it hard to believe that he doesn't back at all on national hunt racing, or if he doesn't its just a new phenomenon, because he discovered "it can be done" of course?.
Fine if its only his opinion then its only his opinion doesnt make his opinion fool proof just because he's a racing journalist and presenter. |
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Of course it doesn't Silvergreaser , but he is one journo i would respect , i would value his opinion more , simply because he has no cash involvement ...Off to do a bit of form studying ..BTW I SEE MOSSEY JOE HAS BEEN GIVEN 11ST 1 LB FOR THE GRAND NATIONAL ..THAT SCUPPERS HIM I'M AFRAID...
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too much weight wr?..i like one down at bottom of weights..if he gets in
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They've Cheltenham, Aintree, punchestown and Stratford Hunter Chases to run him in. In each race he'd be by far the best horse on raw ability. They'd be wrong to run him in the National.
I'd be of the same opinion with Tidal Bay, the National doesn't suit hold-up horses. The Lexus/Welsh National should have been his two chief seasonal targets with a run in the Gold Cup as his sign-off. I think Nicholls has targeted him at the National for the prizemoney as it could be the difference for him in the Trainer's championship like it was a few years ago with Neptune Collonges. We've been here before with Tidal and it can't be the best thing for the horse surely. it is repeating the same mistake. |
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Lexus/WN and Irish Hennessey I should say.
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The Tullow Tank was just not good enough. Along with King of the Picts, he ran to form on Sunday. He has no business going for the Supreme Novice Hurdle and if he does he will be only making up the numbers. He could try the Neptune where the trip will be more suitable and I would give him a squeak. His future lies over fences as a staying chaser.
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Astonishing effort on mount belbulben,near fell off and lost irons at the 2nd,looked as if he was going to fall off at every other fence losing 2 or 3 lengths each time and having to come off the bridle to make up ground,ohh and did i mention he fkd up my 50 4 timer of balder success,irving and grandeur......
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So why put him in ur bet. I have to laugh at guys back these poor jocks before the off.
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you should have left him out and just done the treble.
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I actually backed mount benbulben today......even though I don't rate the jockey......to me he didn't do any worse than I thought he would......losing the irons cost him virtually nothing......and ultimately the horse was most disappointing......his jumping wasn't any worse than I thought it might be.........and he looked a non stayer in the finish.....after all the hype about the horse the bottom line is.....that hes a useless goat.....he cant jump.....he cant go left handed....and now he doesn't stay......I know people will be saying he won a grade 1 at punchestown......but punchestown is only a kip really.....form very often counts for nowt at that meeting.....the meeting is littered with rubbish grade 1 winners every single year......hes a good grade 3 horse....if he can manage to get round......
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