when did spoils go NRNB at cheltenham ?

They go RNB for every race all year round.....

I see Ladcrooks got my post removed for shaming them.

I wouldn't mind pa its in the public domain anyway, on their own website and oddschecker so why would the moderators remove my post?

You can,t escape the truth which is what you said,tis i suppose a bit defamatory against the company and shows them in a very bad light in regards the absolute stingyness of their prices which they are offering.

silver it looks like they dont want to lay racing but have to be seen to be participating..

Kav, you might have a point, but I've noticed a trend with them as regards Mullins hot pots they're always much shorter than all the other bookmakers and they're the same with the O'Brien hot pots or anything that might be a shade of odds on with other bookmakers they would be much much shorter, like they're limiting their liabilities on potential short price multiples?.

But its not as if they give you value on the other runners their books are usually shockingly over-round, avoid at all costs.

Powers might not be the flavour of the month with some on here but in comparison with Ladcrooks and Spoils they're almost charitable.

thanks fellas - so after all that its the 27th thank you Dannyboy

yeah most of the cheltenham stuff is absoulute crap - stay far away unless you are laying...


done a study before christmas all new accounts of how long it takes for the following books to limit you to win 25/50/100 quid

boyles - 9 days
betpack -6 days
powers - 14 days-
hills - 17 days (could have went longer but started to hit put in stuff @1000 a pop - went on referral took 10 mins to get 50quid on then - my last proper bet with them i wanted 5g on 8/13 shot  - got 800 online after through referral  -got another 200 on phone- price change 3/10
ladbrokes - 9 days
5dimes.eu - put on 30 sec delay whcich stops plentu of my stuff but still able to get on bets - prob up like 20g in 2 months


as you can see the industry is a joke and they run scared (not just ladbrokes who are total jokes) - saying that i would not take the stuff i throw in either to be honest v rough

DJ876,Rocketfingers and Kingrat three of the most disciplined professionals around.

If DJ876 were to sell us his staking plan we could all be professional too,bank control bank management is more than half the job according to himself.

These gentlemen are so professional they have managed to eliminate all risk,they lock in profit on all their bets.

We await the book.

Wildmanfromborneo,aka The Jagerbomb Kid

How can you even jest about discipline on here when after 50 years of punting,you still have the habits of an 18 year old novice in a betting shop for the first time?

You point to the buzz  of risking a full bank on a well thought out selection-What do you know about golf that the market hasn't factored in?You may as well be playing on a roulette machine,results are irrelevant because you will be all in again within a week.

Then you point to the motivation of working hard to recoup your stake (while contemplating where you went wrong) and the repeat the exact same mistakes that you have been making for 50 years.

Wildmanfromborneo,
Are you a proponent of Eugene Fama's EMH?It lacks any credibility because it implies that stock returns follow a Gaussian distribution.Although it could be argued that Betfair markets could attain perfect efficiency because of a 100% book and a definitive finish,I doubt this is what you are suggesting?

Although you're correct in stating that the majority of variables are already factored in to a price,there is surely a subjective nature to the extent of their importance?

Your example is a perfect illustration of the point I was attempting to make.You need to have a high level of knowledge in a sport to be able to identify where you have an edge and consistently identify where you believe there is a deviation between the actual probability and the odds being offered. I find it difficult to believe that your knowledge of golf would allow you this opportunity against full-time experts who can pinpoint the vagaries of different golf courses that suit different types of players etc etc

However it could be possible that your knowledge of racing would allow you an edge on the market as illustrated by your example of recital who you rightly identified as being temper-mental.

As for your earlier reference to me stating "that Bank roll management is more than half the job"-this is a miss-representation,I implied that the selection process is one of many contributing factors including bankroll management,staking methods,discipline etc.
I am sure that you would agree that one being knowledgeable on racing doesn't necessarily lead to being a profitable punter?

To suggest that my mind is stunted is bizarre when I believe that everything is constantly evolving and you either adapt or get left behind,I would suggest that you should be more open minded with your approach on here because your all in staking method lacks even a semblance of credibility.

There is one of them in a league of their own in terms of consistency on the golfing threads,he uses an extremely rigid(and plausible) staking method which I have noticed you haven't commented on?It's fairly obvious to whom I am referring  but I will leave it you to gush praise on other posters.

It doesn't preclude you from having an opinion but why the heck would you go all in (crazy to be doing it on anything by the way) on something where you recognise that your knowledge is limited? Stating your stake on an anonymous forum is also bizarre.

You will probably be surprised but I genuinely wish you all the best with the bet.

As a matter of interest did the 2 Hotels in Thurles sell at the end of January,I believe that they were both for sale by public auction?

wildman on the subject of hotels,someone told me recently my old haunt grants in roscrea  has been closed......had some nites in that place over the last 15 years

how wrong you are ozy man juice......

I would only mention them if I was provoked Wildman and I hadn't mentioned the nap from last weekend yet,we all know the reason you acknowledge posters on here.I see your mare is back up to a more suitable trip tomorrow but she will find Chancol difficult to beat?

Dickie surely backed the winner of the first today at Fairyhouse!

The golf boys seem to do well, fair play.  i am fascinated to see callits running totals to see if this impression is borne out over time.

It appears to be just a case of looking at course form, current form and picking out a few of the higher priced ones that fit those criteria. (I know this from my stellar performance in the golf competition on here ) 

Then again if it was that easy, why isn't every one doing it. Maybe we should be?

What worries me about the golf boys on here, anytime they go big i.e 10 points, they never seem to win. (I could be wrong on this that's just my impression). Which lead me to think that the outcome is as much down to luck (having followed the selection criteria above) rather than judgement.

To put it another way, they are making no more than educated guesses.  Perhaps that's all any sports gambling is but it seems especially true to golf. No matter, I suppose, when a profit is turned.

Man rather than the ball even

dj what ye think kenneth kenny ken egan standing as a councillor for fianna gael,is this going to be another graham geraghty incident or will the people of clondalkin get behind him iyo?

You are right about the forum being far too political btw.

It's a joke.  For example, for all Borneo's worth as a forumite, he does come out with some complete nonsense at times.  Ad yet Dad's Army won't call him out on it.  I don't know if its because;

a)  they are a similar age and thus have been shaped by similar cultural factors so think in lockstep

OR

b)  he praise them so often and goes out of his way to regurgitate their winning selections that they are too flattered to risk upsetting that flow of compliments

OR

c) they feel safe and cosseted as part of a tribe wherin they know they will get support on issues even if they are in the wrong.

Dj's attacks were never personal in the first place.  People didn't like to be called out on various errors or mistakes or mis-assumptions, he was not afraid to do that. 

THEY retaliated in a personal fashion, hence the deterioration of the exchanges.  Even still his rebutals are largely not personal.