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Be interesting to see how this goes.
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Dunguib is set for his first appearance in the best part of three years in the Limestone Lad Hurdle at Naas on Saturday.
So impressive in winning the 2009 Champion Bumper at Cheltenham and a dual Grade One scorer over hurdles the following season, Dunguib's career has been blighted by injury since the spring of 2010.
He missed much of the following season before making a winning return in the Red Mills Hurdle and finishing eighth behind Hurricane Fly in the 2011 Champion Hurdle.
He has not been seen in action since and considering he has recently turned 11, it is not surprising trainer Philip Fenton expects his charge to need the run in this weekend's Grade Three contest.
Fenton said: "He's obviously been off the track a good while and we'll just be glad to get him back on the track.
"He'll be well in need of his first run and we'll just have to see how he goes before we make any plans for the future."
Dunguib features among 15 possible runners, with Willie Mullins responsible for seven entries.
The champion trainer has entered Blood Cotil, Drive Time, Marito, Mikael D'Haguenet, Mourad, Turban and Upsie.
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Dunguib is set for his first appearance in the best part of three years in the Limestone Lad Hurdle at Naas on Saturday.
So impressive in winning the 2009 Champion Bumper at Cheltenham and a dual Grade One scorer over hurdles the following season, Dunguib's career has been blighted by injury since the spring of 2010.
He missed much of the following season before making a winning return in the Red Mills Hurdle and finishing eighth behind Hurricane Fly in the 2011 Champion Hurdle.
He has not been seen in action since and considering he has recently turned 11, it is not surprising trainer Philip Fenton expects his charge to need the run in this weekend's Grade Three contest.
Fenton said: "He's obviously been off the track a good while and we'll just be glad to get him back on the track.
"He'll be well in need of his first run and we'll just have to see how he goes before we make any plans for the future."
Dunguib features among 15 possible runners, with Willie Mullins responsible for seven entries.
The champion trainer has entered Blood Cotil, Drive Time, Marito, Mikael D'Haguenet, Mourad, Turban and Upsie.
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I am surprised that there isn't a mention of his stablemate Last Installment who is entered to return at Thurles on Thursday.
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Honestly don't know why they're bothering bringing him back,Now 11,Will never be anywhere near as good as he once was,
What kind of race/races will they be genuinely be targeting for him?i very much doubt if he'll win any race of note, Just retire the old boy! |
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Not a lot of miles on the clock ....
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True,But he's 11 and,As they say,They never come back the same horse,
Would anybody be surprised were he to be pulled up? |
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I cant see him reaching the same heights either Chelt , by there might be something they have in mind for him if he starts to show them something , Barry will make sure hes not put to the sword if he feels hes not up to it , of that you can be sure...
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if hes still any good..why not the hunter route?
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He wouldn't qualify Tony ...
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ha..thanks wr..why?
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He wasn't a natural jumper but was the most impressive Cheltenham bumper winner I ever saw,remember he left an Ascot Gold Cup winner toiling in his wake.
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He would have to been hunted with a registered hunt for a start , doubt he's gone down that route just yet , they are giving him a run on sunday and taking it from there...
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right I get you..
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Last Instalment coming back after 2 years off deserves a mention alright dj,has interesting form lines with First Lieutenant that put him right there at the top if they can get him "back".
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he would qualify.....of course he would have .....as long as they went down the hunters chase route.....
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Was there a better bumper horse in the past 20 years? I always thought he was a cup horse for the flat. He doesn't hurdle well enough to trouble the top hurdlers.
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Helps when you're pumped up with a potent cocaine type substance.
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good man silver.you never fail to dissapoint us!!.amazed you havent met the bewigged ones yet
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Punchestown, 29th April, 2009.
The Referrals Committee, Dr. Gordon A. Holmes (in the Chair), Mr. P.J.A. O’Connor and Mrs. T.K. Cooper, met in the Stewards Room at Galway Racecourse, Ballybrit, Co. Galway, on Tuesday 28th July, 2009, to consider a report from BHP Laboratories in Limerick that the biological fluid sample taken from “Dunguib” following its win in the Paddy Power Champion INH Flat Race at Punchestown on 29th April, 2009, was found to contain Aminorex, Levamisole and Hydroxy-Levamisole, which under Rule 20 (v) and Regulation R14 are Prohibited Substances. Evidence was heard from Mr. Philip Fenton, Trainer, Mr. S.W.D. McIlveen, Turf Club Veterinary Officer, Mr. Dermot Purcell, BHP Laboratories, Dr. Tom Barragry, Pharmacologist, and Mr. James Cody, headman in Mr. Fenton’s yard. Having considered the evidence the Committee fined Mr. Fenton €3,000 plus costs. The Committee also disqualified “Dunguib” from first place and ordered the records be amended to read as follows:- First: Sweeps Hill (NZ) Second: Luska Lad Third: Universal Truth Fourth: Sicilian Secret The Committee acknowledged that Mr. Fenton was personally innocent of any wrong doing but that he must assume responsibility for the actions of his employees. The case was presented to the Committee by Mr. Conal Boyce of Wilkinson and Price Solicitors, Naas, Co. Kildare and Mr. Frank Ward, Ward & Co. Solicitors, represented Mr. Philip Fenton. |
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Why is that kavvie? the horse was disqualified for failing a dope test for a very potent substance at Punchestown its public knowledge, as for their laughable excuse as to how this sheep wormer found its way into the horses system not even a child in Kindergarten would buy that one.
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Check this fairytale out:
"Then, one morning on the gallops, Fenton took a call from the Turf Club. Bad news. A blood test conducted after the Punchestown race had returned an adverse finding. The B sample had yet to be examined but often the B sample is a parachute that never opens. Traces of a worming agent had been found. It wasn’t performance-enhancing but a horse couldn’t run with this substance in his system. At first they were baffled. Dunguib wasn’t being treated with this wormer. How the hell? Then it dawned on them. Sher Beau in the stable next door was getting the wormer in his feed; his food pot hangs on a wall adjacent to Dunguib’s pot and the small retractable iron grille that divides the stables must have been left open. The space is comfortably big enough for a horse to poke his head through and it wouldn’t have taken much more than a dribble of Sher Beau’s saliva in Dunguib’s feed to cause a problem. Dunguib was disqualified and nearly €39,000 of prize money had to be returned." Post hearing comments from Fenton: "We had a very fair hearing and unfortunately the wrong horse got the wrong dose. "It was some wormer medication that should have been given to another horse and it's cost us the race. "It was one of those things and while these things shouldn't happen, they do happen, unfortunately." |
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Does wasn't performance enhancing mean that it didn't help the horse run any faster???
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Oh tolmi c'mon I think you would disagree with me if I said white was white
Who said it wasn't performance enhancing Fenton??, of course its performance enhancing hence why its a banned substance, Levisamole is metabolised in the horses system and breaks down into a cocaine like substance called aminorex, a stimulant of the central nervous system, if thats not performance enhancing I don't know what is?. Only the really naive could buy Fentons **** and bull fairytale. |
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From my reading it was not Fenton who said it wasn't performance enhancing.Considering you have a great ability to come up with totally unfounded allegations based on scant/little evidence I think its only fair that someone tries to provide balance to your theories.
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Balance tolmi, do you actually believe that story of Fentons?, and even if it was true which it is not why would they have their stable star housed next to a supposed sick horse been treated for worms wouldn't you think the horse wouldn't be stabled within a country mile of the sick horse.
And also why would they treat a horse with a wormer that is designed for use in sheep and cattle not horses?. Godolphin steroids, Butler, Chemical Nick etc etc all just unfortunate accidents nobody ever deliberately injects a horse with a banned substance to gain an advantage. As far as I'm concerned all of Dunguibs previous performance before Punchestown come under a cloud of suspicion. |
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In your original piece who was responsible for saying it was not performance enhancing?
I like to get a proper professional appraisal not your theories before I make a judgement. |
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Silver,Do you reckon he was on meds for that Cheltenham Bumper win?
Was a very freakish performance. |
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Thank you for that.
I was merely questioning originally about why it was such an issue if as I had read the original post correctly that the substance was not performance enhancing.Your last post throws a different light on the topic. |
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Well roar you have to have your doubts whether it was totally legit?.
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indeed silver,Disappointing if he was as it really does tarnish his legacy.
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its likely he was higher than the London eye.....storming up the hill.....
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How much were they reported to be offered by JP after it??Similar to Our Conor money if only it was a few years later BOC(wasn't as prominent then) would have put in an even crazier offer.Crazy not to accept unless you're a Zillionaire
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...Higher than the london eye ,
 Brilliant , first time i ever heard that expression.... |
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even more crazy not to accept.....if it was the case.....that he was getting a bit of a boost.....
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Dear me Silver this a example of nonsensical guesswork i thought even you were not capable of......
....incredible.All horses are regularly treated for worms.....it doesn't mean they are sick.......the wormer of choice for most professionals is ivomec which is used for cattle,sheep and horses You can get pastes/sachets that are said to be solely for horses and are easier to administer but these are ten times the cost and not nearly as effective. Hth nothing to see here. |
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tYpical jr totally ignoring most of my posts to come out with some powder puff apologetic argument.
Dunguib wasn't been treated for worms, read Fentons fairytale, also read my copy and paste about the drug in question, it will answer many questions because there is plenty to see here. |
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"Then, one morning on the gallops, Fenton took a call from the Turf Club. Bad news. A blood test conducted after the Punchestown race had returned an adverse finding. The B sample had yet to be examined but often the B sample is a parachute that never opens.
Traces of a worming agent had been found. It wasn’t performance-enhancing but a horse couldn’t run with this substance in his system. At first they were baffled. Dunguib wasn’t being treated with this wormer. How the hell? Then it dawned on them. Sher Beau in the stable next door was getting the wormer in his feed; his food pot hangs on a wall adjacent to Dunguib’s pot and the small retractable iron grille that divides the stables must have been left open. The space is comfortably big enough for a horse to poke his head through and it wouldn’t have taken much more than a dribble of Sher Beau’s saliva in Dunguib’s feed to cause a problem. Dunguib was disqualified and nearly €39,000 of prize money had to be returned." Post hearing comments from Fenton: "We had a very fair hearing and unfortunately the wrong horse got the wrong dose. "It was some wormer medication that should have been given to another horse and it's cost us the race. "It was one of those things and while these things shouldn't happen, they do happen, unfortunately." ..................................................................... Now JR have a look closely at the 2 bold comments one from his fairytale and one from his post hearing comments, do you notice the contradiction? |
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More rubbish talk from silvergreaser. All horses are treated for worms every couple of months, its as routine as having their mane pulled. Everyone uses a wide variety of wormers as there are many different types of worms and no one treatment gets rid of them all, so they rotate the various types of wormers.
The issue here is that Dunguib unintentionally came into contact with a worm dose too close to the race, thus the failed test. Horses in training are given all manner of medications and treatments that are on the banned substances list as a matter of routine, but all the substances have a withdrawal period that trainers try to adhere in order to avoid a failed test. You might want to do some more research on Levamisole. It isn't "cocaine like", it is used as a cutting agent in cocaine in order to bulk it up as it looks like cocaine and has a very similar texture. It has no cocaine-like effects at all, but I'm sure you just saw the word cocaine in the Wikipedia article about it and were too excited to continue reading. Even if it did, if you knew anything about drugs, you'd know that cocaine would have to be administered to a horse minutes before a race to have any sort of effect at all. |
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I think i have read your posts more closely than you have Silver!......you asked the question why was Dunguib stabled next to a sick horse.......of course that wasn't the case....you were
just summising......you also asked why he was given a sheep wormer.......which i answered........if you want to call that an 'powder puff apologetic argument' then i can only offer you my most sincere powder puff apologies......  You wouldn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to realise that when Fenton was first confronted with the positive finding he wasn't sure how it had happened like you he could only surmise....By the time the hearing took place he obviously knew exactly how it happened which is why the Turf club cleared him of any wrong doing but fined him 3k as all trainers are responsible for the actions of their staff. Case closed. |
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FFS..... Redbait i've got a couple of bottlers of Ivomec.....i could see a profit!!!....ah well.
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I reckon Silver your arse is out on this one.
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