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Un De Sceaux 25/1 for next March, makes his belated seasonal debut at Thurles this weekend, he had a set-back but delighted he is back on the track, this is easy pickings and I`m not sure they will run him so soon over the Xmas, but I`m a big fan of this horse and gets my vote to go unbeaten this season once again, where ever he runs, hopefully connections will try Cheltenham this season and not just plan for Punchestown. Happy Xmas
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Everything going well with this fellow, one more winning run then March......... they won`t get to this fellow, and still 16/1.....
He'll have to be some machine to win this champion hurdle because on the 11th March,he will be sat in his box in Closutton!
Unless the Fly gets injured,he will be no where near Cheltenham this year.
Not what I heard today,Mr O`Connell has the call and he is very keen to go across.
I agree unless he gets injured he will be lining up judging by the post race interviews.
He should go because with that attritional style he has, he might not be quite the same horse in 12 months time.
Owner is being taken for a ride if he doesn't go.
Owner is being taken for a ride if he doesn't go.
hard know how good the horse is..beating average ones on snaff is fine but ch hurd on goodish ground diff job..
After race at Navan Sun, 12th Jan, 2014 (1st) .Foildubh tried to go with him and he just completely choked. He killed him trying to go the pace,. I thought our fella was more settled today than he's ever been. He didn't jump as well as he can but that was probably because he was going that bit slower. W P Mullins
This is the only quote I could see,not at home today so only watching online.Did Mullins do an interview on ATR after?
This is the only quote I could see,not at home today so only watching online.Did Mullins do an interview on ATR after?
yes he did, as I recall, will be fine on good ground, possible target red mills gowran, on current ratings has to improve a stone to get to fly level.
DJ SAID HE AVOID FLY ALL COSTS BUT ENTERED IN CHAMPION H CERTAINLY IMPRESSIVE
Champion Hurdle dark horse Un De Sceaux predictably proved in a different class to his two opponents as he maintained his unbeaten record in the Follow Navan On Facebook Hurdle.
Willie Mullins' French recruit made a big impression when winning on his first two Irish starts at Punchestown last season and galloped a couple of rivals into submission when making a winning return at Thurles last month.
With last season's Fred Winter winner Flaxen Flare a significant non-runner, Un De Sceaux was the 1-12 favourite to keep his record intact and did so without breaking sweat after being sent straight to the head of affairs as usual by Ruby Walsh.
The six-year-old set a fierce gallop, with 143-rated hurdler Foildubh, better known as a chaser, doing his level best to keep up. However, he was backpedalling by the time Un De Sceaux rounded the home turn and the odds-on shot negotiated the remaining obstacles to score by 53 lengths with his head in his chest.
Foildubh was so tired that he eventually finished a distant last of three, with 104-rated mare Akatara filling the runner-up spot.
Walsh, who went on to land a treble, said: "He goes a tremendous gallop. From the last hurdle down the back to the first hurdle in the straight he's maintaining a serious gallop. I couldn't believe when I looked at the back of the third-last how far back Paul (Carberry, on Foildubh) was.
"He wears his heart on his sleeve, he's a very good horse and he's obviously going the right way. If he was to turn up in the Champion Hurdle, I don't think The New One would need a pacemaker!"
Mullins conceded it was likely Un De Sceaux would end up in the Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham in March, but that he has a long way to go to reach the same level as his dual Champion Hurdle hero Hurricane Fly.
The trainer said: "I'm just looking at where Foildubh finished. He tried to go with him (Un De Sceaux) and a horse rated way below him passed him (Akatara). He just completely choked. Our fellow killed him trying to go the pace.
"He seemed to take the stuffing out of Foildubh and Foildubh is not a bad horse. He beat Rubi Ball last time and he's a decent horse. Our horse was more settled today than I've ever seen him. I don't think he jumped as well as he can, probably because he was going that bit slower."
Asked about future targets, Mullins said: "Ruby just said maybe the Red Mills Hurdle in Gowran - that's an option. I'm going to have a look around and see where I can go. The Red Mills in Gowran time-wise is the right one.
"If he goes to Cheltenham he'll be entered in the Champion Hurdle. I don't see any other race for him there, but he's got to improve a stone to be near Hurricane Fly. With his style of running, good ground should be better - it should make it easier for him. He's one we're looking forward to all the time."
courtesy of ATR!
Willie Mullins' French recruit made a big impression when winning on his first two Irish starts at Punchestown last season and galloped a couple of rivals into submission when making a winning return at Thurles last month.
With last season's Fred Winter winner Flaxen Flare a significant non-runner, Un De Sceaux was the 1-12 favourite to keep his record intact and did so without breaking sweat after being sent straight to the head of affairs as usual by Ruby Walsh.
The six-year-old set a fierce gallop, with 143-rated hurdler Foildubh, better known as a chaser, doing his level best to keep up. However, he was backpedalling by the time Un De Sceaux rounded the home turn and the odds-on shot negotiated the remaining obstacles to score by 53 lengths with his head in his chest.
Foildubh was so tired that he eventually finished a distant last of three, with 104-rated mare Akatara filling the runner-up spot.
Walsh, who went on to land a treble, said: "He goes a tremendous gallop. From the last hurdle down the back to the first hurdle in the straight he's maintaining a serious gallop. I couldn't believe when I looked at the back of the third-last how far back Paul (Carberry, on Foildubh) was.
"He wears his heart on his sleeve, he's a very good horse and he's obviously going the right way. If he was to turn up in the Champion Hurdle, I don't think The New One would need a pacemaker!"
Mullins conceded it was likely Un De Sceaux would end up in the Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham in March, but that he has a long way to go to reach the same level as his dual Champion Hurdle hero Hurricane Fly.
The trainer said: "I'm just looking at where Foildubh finished. He tried to go with him (Un De Sceaux) and a horse rated way below him passed him (Akatara). He just completely choked. Our fellow killed him trying to go the pace.
"He seemed to take the stuffing out of Foildubh and Foildubh is not a bad horse. He beat Rubi Ball last time and he's a decent horse. Our horse was more settled today than I've ever seen him. I don't think he jumped as well as he can, probably because he was going that bit slower."
Asked about future targets, Mullins said: "Ruby just said maybe the Red Mills Hurdle in Gowran - that's an option. I'm going to have a look around and see where I can go. The Red Mills in Gowran time-wise is the right one.
"If he goes to Cheltenham he'll be entered in the Champion Hurdle. I don't see any other race for him there, but he's got to improve a stone to be near Hurricane Fly. With his style of running, good ground should be better - it should make it easier for him. He's one we're looking forward to all the time."
courtesy of ATR!
Thanks Tobywong,another egg and spoon race at Gowran-doesn't seem like a Champion hurdle route to me.
A typical WPM interview,full of contradictions.He's getting his excuses ready already.
He'll need to hire a full-time spin doctor!
A typical WPM interview,full of contradictions.He's getting his excuses ready already.
He'll need to hire a full-time spin doctor!
Chamapagne Fever taking a fair walk in the Arkle market on here (not much liquidity though obviously)
Sorry dj just seeing your post now. I saw the interview live on ATR. Ruby's words were nearly a carbon copy of what he said after Thurles. As for WPM as already posted, he mentioned Red Mills next and then Cheltenham if he wins there of course.
I find a lot of people find the straightforwardness and honesty of a good front-runner pretty endearing Ozy.
They obviously know wether he's CH quality or not considering they have the defending Champion in the same stable,
They're obviously not gonna tell us they've worked together but u can bet your last cent they have,
But that's neither here nor there,if Mullins feels like UDS is a fly in the ointment of the Hurricanes legacy,He'll do his best not to run him.
They're obviously not gonna tell us they've worked together but u can bet your last cent they have,
But that's neither here nor there,if Mullins feels like UDS is a fly in the ointment of the Hurricanes legacy,He'll do his best not to run him.
Agree roar, they seem to be obsessed with giving the Fly Istabraq like status when we all know Istabraq would've made mince meat of the Fly.
i think time has misted ur eyes silver..what had istabraq to beat?theatreworld?!?..the fly has hot opponents..ista had nothing to beat in comparason..head to head?fly every time
two words kavvie. "all out" Istabraq never even came remotely close to been all out, Istabraq had the race won at the top of the hill.
^^^is istabraq runniing in this yr champion hld?a completely irrelevant debate from drunken bores!
a dangerous game trying to 2nd guess wpm but i know where the op is coming from.my gut feeling is that un de seaux is top class.any1 that dismisses this horse as a player for the champ.hld is a fool.
a dangerous game trying to 2nd guess wpm but i know where the op is coming from.my gut feeling is that un de seaux is top class.any1 that dismisses this horse as a player for the champ.hld is a fool.
Drink? be mature enough to take my opinions at face value kingrat or should I say ratfingers?
Can you get one thing into your head silver..."we" do not all agree that Istabraq would have beaten HF...The only thing any right minded person would agree on is that "we" will never know.
When you get another of your unproveable theories I'd would appreciate if you left me for one out of your global "we".
When you get another of your unproveable theories I'd would appreciate if you left me for one out of your global "we".
any horse will look good when the opposition is weak..agree with tolmi..
regardless of what this horse has beat he really is visually impressive the way he can literally sprint for 2 miles ....as mullins pointed out yesterday on ratings he has to improve a stone to get to the fly s level ......interesting times ahead !!!!!
Remember Sublimity won an egg and spoon race very impressively before going on to win a CH..
I certainly do C.Roar, I was on at big prices, as mention on another thread, the clue was how unlucky he was in S.N.Hurdle the year before when very badly hampered and brought very wide BY A LOOSE horse in a very decent race. Although Iktitaf was still travelling well in the CH when fell but he won fine in the end.
kavvie 13 Jan 14 14:04
any horse will look good when the opposition is weak..agree with tolmi..
Kavvie if you think that Istabraq was taking on weak opposition what do you think Hurricane Fly was beating Pegasus and his offspring?.
Sorry Tolmi change that "we" to and "I" if you like, fine it can never be proven but sometimes you just know.
any horse will look good when the opposition is weak..agree with tolmi..
Kavvie if you think that Istabraq was taking on weak opposition what do you think Hurricane Fly was beating Pegasus and his offspring?.
Sorry Tolmi change that "we" to and "I" if you like, fine it can never be proven but sometimes you just know.
Now Silver you have been caught spoofing again. Istabraq beat very little in his champion hurdle wins. He beat his stablemate in a few of them. The same stablemate struggled to win races. Im not a huge fan of HF but he beat as much as Istabraq did and perhaps HF wins have had a bit more depth to them.
Personally think HF needs soft ground to win in Cheltenaham. Will be taken off his feet otherwise.
Personally think HF needs soft ground to win in Cheltenaham. Will be taken off his feet otherwise.
Bigwill spoofing??
HF never took on horses of the calibre of Moscow Flyer or the ill fated French Holly.
Technically Moscow beat Istabraq twice but Istabraq was going to win both times only for this usually brilliant jumper to fall at the last.
Istabraqs champion hurdles were easily as competitive as HF's, that 12L thrashing of Theatreworld was simply stunning with decent horses like Pridwell, Relkeel and Dato Star all stuffed in behind.
HF never took on horses of the calibre of Moscow Flyer or the ill fated French Holly.
Technically Moscow beat Istabraq twice but Istabraq was going to win both times only for this usually brilliant jumper to fall at the last.
Istabraqs champion hurdles were easily as competitive as HF's, that 12L thrashing of Theatreworld was simply stunning with decent horses like Pridwell, Relkeel and Dato Star all stuffed in behind.
silver i was a big fan of istabraq..i backed it the first year it won ch hurdle and previous tr in sun alliance hurd..but if he had come in the brave inca/hardy eustace/macs joy/harchi era would he have been as breathtaking looking?...look at the placed horse behind istabraq in all his years winning it..the year he pulled up hors la loi(second 2000 btn 4 l) won it?.in my opinion hors la oi wouldnt be in first 6 in this years renewal or in the 2004/2006 era..theatreworld?2nd a few times?same story..top 8 maybe this year..its all about opinions i guess
Theatreworld seemed to be just campaigned for the one race the Champion Hurdle, don't forget he also ran 2nd in the Champion Hurdle to Make a Stand in 97.
To finish 2nd in 3 champions suggests Theatreworld was a damn good horse when cherry ripe.
To finish 2nd in 3 champions suggests Theatreworld was a damn good horse when cherry ripe.
"sometimes you just know"
Maybe with powers like that silver you might tell us the next time you "know" something...only can you please let us know about a future event so we can all benefit from this amazing ability.
Maybe with powers like that silver you might tell us the next time you "know" something...only can you please let us know about a future event so we can all benefit from this amazing ability.
''Sometimes you just know'' Sounds like something a jilted teen would say. Does everything happen for a reason too SG?
Market saying he won't be anywhere near Cheltenham on the 11th March,they're certainly keen to lay him on here a monkey put up at 18.5 (liability of €8800),Lowest price trying to get on is 25 for €6
Nothing decided yet Tobywong but all the place money has been taken as well.From a selfish point of view,I won't be disappointed as I have place laid him.Apparently WPM was beginning to make excuses already in his racing post column this morning(haven't read it) such as should have tackled better opposition by now.
The red mills at Gowran -another egg and spoon racing on another right handed track is not even close to a champion hurdle route.
The major issue here is how WPM allows horses in different ownership decide where the major targets are and not the race that best suits the horse.It was an absolute disgrace (screwed the Wylie's there) running Felix Yonger around a kip for 15k at Christmas while horses he hammered fought out a 50k pot at Leopardstown.
The red mills at Gowran -another egg and spoon racing on another right handed track is not even close to a champion hurdle route.
The major issue here is how WPM allows horses in different ownership decide where the major targets are and not the race that best suits the horse.It was an absolute disgrace (screwed the Wylie's there) running Felix Yonger around a kip for 15k at Christmas while horses he hammered fought out a 50k pot at Leopardstown.
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