Fairyhouse Betting

That's another case cracked, Colombo.

You must be coining it following their every move?

Its not that easy they caused the drift on Abyssial in the first,if you followed which is what they wanted you were in trouble.

I watched the drift on Suntiep and was wondering was this the first race all over again.

I luckily enough got the last race right just on the form of his having a look fourth behind Royal Caviar.

People will always take notice of an outfit who know what they are doing.

would you say the mullins mob are a punting yard?

The horses are well prepared and primed to win. They know what they have.

agreed, but that was not my question gant...do they have a punt?

I don't know. A few of conspiracy boys on here will answer that for you.

well if you don't know fair enough..im not interested in conspiracies..opinions that's all or fact..

You would twist anything to suit your warped theories.

If a drifter wins they engineered a bigger price.
If a drifter loses, they laid it.

Tiresome tbh.

It's a small criticism tbf but surely Willie has one rug that fits his horses!.....i've never seen so many shoulder rubs...just about every runner he has.....and thats no exaggeration.

The poster with the worst ever user name is not following the thread.

Show me a drifter of theirs that has won that anyone stated they engineered the drift,it hasn't happened because it doesn't make sense.
A drift was engineered on Abyssial forcing his price out to 2/1 but having got his price out there they then plunge on it backing it into 11/10.

The drift on Suntiep wasn't engineered it was just them laying.

Just to complicate things for some here,today at Navan there was alarming drift on Sizing Tennessee it wasn't engineered just some clued in layers laying a horse that needed the run,they got burned because Sizing Tennessee is a right horse and will come on for that run.

They know their onions.

I knew the 'You don't understand/follow' line was coming

GANT disagrees with me but he follows the argument.
Paulie Wallnuts also disagrees but for selfish reasons but he gets the argument.
The poster whose absence you were lamenting disagreed but followed the argument.

Rocketfingers and yourself have consistently failed to comprehend the points made which is why you are unable to make a counter argument.

If you were to suggest that the moon was a balloon, I wouldn't be offering a counter argument either.

No doubt you would naturally infer that I was incapable of understanding the concept of the moon being a balloon.

Very unoriginal,even so you previously offered a counter argument,one that was so poor you were laughed off the thread.
That experience scarred you so you now just mount some sporadic attacks.

You must have me confused with someone else.

People have been ridiculing this and your other conspiracy theories on here for as long as I can remember.  No matter what happens the theory is altered to fit the facts.

Or vice versa.

Hafpenny

Wonderful, had him at 33s without Murray

What makes you think its a conspiracy theory.

Do you honestly believe there is no market manipulation on here.

What part of my opening post do you disagree with.

Sorry Borneo, no intention of getting down with you in the weeds on this one.  Several other people have done so to great effect on this topic, you never absorb it.

What a fabulous weekend of punting!

Carry on.

In other words I didn't read the opening post but decided to snipe anyway.

I'm trying hard to follow wildman...I can understand the drifters who lose...I can partly understand the lumping on another when their's isn't fancied...I can appreciate the knock it out and back it back...I'm struggling though with the drifters who win though?
The last time I felt like this was reading Donald Rumsfeld's known knowns,known unknowns and unknown unknowns speech...By any chance did you script it for him???

nobody takes any notice of this nutjob......we've had our bellyful of this conspiracy bullshhit......combined forces my whole.....drifters being laid when they lose......drifters being backed when they win.....horses that are well backed and win are by the combined.....when they are backed and lose....its the clueless English sp firms ploughing into betfair......
I suppose it was noel meades turn to do willie a favour yesterday.....hence the withdrawl of his two against briar hill......suppose they split the prizemoney behind the back of the stand after the race.....
now a new one.....when they drift and win.....its because they need the run.....the combined don't lay those ones at all.....just the ones that are beaten.....
Wicklow Gold drifted and  won.....so did shesafoxylady in navan....Vicky de loasis in galway.....smashing in fairyhouse....supreme baillerina first time out in a race where they had a well backed favourite.....Upsie in cork was weak.....devils bride friendless in Roscommon.....gold boy in both naas and clonmel......
Well ya were looking for examples of their drifters that won.....well theres 10 of them there to get yer teeth into....
Id say give it a break with this nonsense Wildman.....because even the half wits that hang on yer every word.....don't believe this shhit anymore.....

This thread was just a straight forward description of a successful days punting by Paulie Wallnuts master.
No conspiracy theory mentioned anywhere.
Two posters misread the post,Ozymandius and Pre fat etc,not really gambling men so hardly surprising.
Tolmi is a surprise,the bit he doesn't seem to get is about drifters that win,yet that was shown by my comments on Sizing Tennessee.

I will summarise it for ye.
They played five times in Fairyhouse,three times as a punter,twice as a layer and were successful each time.
They played once at Navan,they were layers of Sizing Tennessee and were unsuccessful,they are not always right.

The engineered drift seems to be the one that's causing the confusion.

The first race in Fairyhouse is a perfect example of it.

Abyssial was an 11/10 shot all morning had one horse to beat,they had small money on the danger,started to lay Abyssial causing the drift,the layers who front run them do so causing a snowball effect,they help it along it goes out to around 2/1,they get a betting show of 7/4 in the offices.
They first snaffle up as much of the first show they can,then they start to punt it on the exchanges.

The win is doubley rewarding in they have got a decent price to their money and they have creased their front runners.
This benefit kicks in for Suntieps race,they have him no good so they just lay,the front runners having been burned in the first don't know if this is Abyssial all over again so just hold a watching brief,result an uncontested lay.

Paulie Wallnuts lists some of the Mullins drifters that have won,even though I never asked for them but he omits the one that hurt his master most of all Suntiep winning his bumper in Limerick,he is still crying about it.

I give up.....theres no point.....no matter what the Wildman will have an answer......hes better than any politician....I thought Willie O Dea was good on prime time.....a few nights his back was against the wall.....but he wouldn't hold the wildmans coat......
talk about a selective memory.....I suppose the combined forces left before the bumper on Saturday......
to summarise the weekend the combined backed winners at roughly 6/4 9/10 4/7 4/9 and 2/7 and losers at 4/5 and 2/5.....and that is according to this seanachai.....

" I suppose the combined forces left before the bumper on Saturday"

I answered that in my opening post by saying that they did  some judicious laying of Kate Appleby Shoes but may have tried to augment their winnings by punting Klinnsman.

Your jumping the gun Paulie and not fully reading the posts.

you said they were five from five......in fairyhouse.....well they didn't back klinsmann so......is that what you are saying.....because if they did.....then they couldn't be five from five......

" may have " shows uncertainty about it.

They were five for five on known plays they may have had a speculative punt on the handicaps,I don't know.

I know they were layers of Sizing Tennessee,I could hear the wailing from here.

as I said willie o dea would only be trotting after you......a waste of time arguing with someone who is never wrong.....

Can only comment on Abyissal as it was all i seen of the betting pre race for the meeting, no doubt in my mind that the "punters" knew who was going to win and heavy and sustained backing came before the off.Never had a moments worry as "they" knew exactly what they had beforehand.You are very vocal of your castigating of the man Paulie,as said can,t comment on the rest but he is certainly entitled to voice his opinion and in the case of the first race i would say he is almost certainly right.

pa lapsy......he is talking thru his whole as usual......im as vocal castigating him as he is about other people.....the only difference being he is making it up as he goes along.....and im not......if you want to know about the first race......this is what happened.......the meade horse was all the rage in the morning.....as it was looking like being good or nearly good ground......this was suiting him and not mullins horse......then it pisssed rain and the thing turned on its head.....ground softened....now against meade and in mullins favour......willie mullins is quoted post race saying soft ground was what his horse wanted.....the favourites flip flopped.....and the mullins horse as they usually do.....knocked shiit out of meades.....being given a good positive ride as well......its as simple as that pa..... no conspiracy.....no combined forces.....just a ground change.....
look pa.....put it this way......if hurricane fly took on jezki and the ground was good.....then jezki may even be favourite.....but if it pisssed rain for hours .....then the fly would be 1/2......no conspiracies....just a market reacting to a simple change in the ground......
im sick to my teeth of his nonsense now though......but I think most can see that he is talking thru his arrse......

Paulie Wallnuts has to protect his boss,his defence is spirited but risible.

The bookies and the exchange men priced the race on the basis of good ground,they priced Abyssail at 11/10 and Meades at 7/4 this held consistently all morning during the heavy rain,the engineered drift started about an hour before the first race.Abyssial drifted to 2.44 then to 2.56 and on it went out to 2.8, there were a few front runners accelerating the drift much to the glee of our intrepid manipulators.

The rainswept on course bookmakers who are now completely exchange driven priced up the race wrong by going 7/4 Abyssial,this price was sent to the offices.Few of them can get on at opening show but a small few can once they were on Paulie himself was sent to work,snaffle all you can,the punt was sustained and all rates down.

The rain had nothing to do with the drift or the punt,the fact is the SP was almost the exact same as the early prices.

as I said ......willie o dea......in the halfpenny place to this fella.....

You can't counter the arguments as you know what went on,you were part of it.

Ozymandius and Rocketfingers may well believe there is never any market manipulation but that's all.

When wrong I have always acknowledged it,you get used to being wrong as a punter,you never acknowledged it.
You hooted with derision when I said Flemenstar may have resented the noseband,you have yet to acknowledge that that was the caes.

Thanks for replying Paulie,that is plausible, still i,d be sceptical,it was huge support as if the result was only going one way,while nothing to do with reality got a strong feeling at the off he was a cert(seldom do). Wildmans point in that the price held up all morning despite the rain is valid.

My reply was slightly tongue in cheek... i.e. I was just expressing my amazement that they actually got something wrong!

paulie has wullie  o dee any money left iyo after quinlivan took it all off him........