Tramore Tomorrow

Who are the 3 most notorious aftertimers as a matter of interest?

workrider is number 1 without any doubt!

haven't been in tramore for years.....a kip of a place......no man should bet there.....

I named two in the opening post,the other is a toss up between Roadrunner and Ozymandius but as Ozymandius only after times on soccer and rugby he is out.

At first glance Wicklow Gold looks a massive lay,what do you think Snap?

Tobywong finding the opening post too long,didnt even notice is own name.

Paulie we are only asking you for an opinion,you don't have to bet.

out of interest Wildman......how do you make Wicklow gold a massive lay.....its unpenalised.....ruby riding.....coming on the back of an eyecatching 4th in a race which is working out well......is a good jumper.....with the best trainer.....and running against pure Shiite......
name one horse that you fancy to beat it......

I am on here the bones of 10 years , if you can locate 3 examples of aftertiming by me I will donate €100 to the tyone homeless centre in Tipperary so you can have your xmas dinner on me!!

What you need Borneo is a good cleaning of your pipes.

Would the District Nurse not pass by and give you a tug?

Wicklow Gold certainly doesn't look a massive lay to me anyway. If it is an anyway backable price at all in the morning I will be backing it for certain, he will struggle to fall into a weaker maiden than this

captain mainwaring and his troops have been nobbled!

He is odds on,I don't need to nominate one to beat him.

He is not quite Champagne Agent but when Willie Mullins couldn't get him to win a bumper ( he managed with the other beast ) he is no good,is running on a tight track might not suit,he didnt seem to like Kilbeggan.
You see Ruby Walsh as a plus normally I would agree but not so sure around Tramore,its a track for young jockeys.

Wildman......you are not well this evening......im not sure that you aren't  taking the pisss out of me here......
ruby walsh not being a plus is a good start.....the fact he didn't win a bumper is a help here.....he has no penalty.....he was happy enough in clonmel.....and that isn't exactly a galloping track......and in mullins terms he is no good but look at the opposition......and just because he is odds on.....doesn't mean you don't have to fancy anything to beat him.....

Well I am going to back three tomorrow at tramore them being

Indian outlook won nicely at sligo tight track like tramore

pals leg like the way this horse travels and if jumps well think it could win the beginners chase

Tidy zag won well at the weekend and well in

Good luck with your punting

Wicklow Lad might be one of the worst in the Mullins stable but he couldn't have found a weaker race than this, personally I'd have it around 1/6 to win against that muck tomorrow.

The one I like is Getoutwhenyoucan 2.05, another weak contest, this horse has been 4th twice in better company and the drop in trip should suit, if this horse is going to win a race it won't get a better opportunity than this.

If there is going to one to upset Mullins in the first it has to be Sunday Serenade, both ran in the same listed bumper at Cheltenham last time and only 1&1/2Ls separated them.

I also like Gold Patrol 1.35 and Springinherstep for Henderson at Huntingdon.

Hurricane Fly wouldn't be sixes on round Tramore.

Ye seem to forget this is a dangerous frightening track,you want a handy horse and a young fearless jockey.

Of all Irish racecourses this is the one where course form is vital.

How many horses have slipped up coming down that hill.

No offense Silver but that is why ure a mug.  Hope you punt it good style if you make it a 1/6 chance.  Im with Wildman on the lay.  Something always turns up to beat these type of horses.  Think top horse is the one myself.  If he runs same races as last time he will be at least placed.

Won like a machine.  Fair play to ya, Greaser.

Paulie has got the game by the b0ll0cks

yeah, well played Paulie.  illuminating thread imo.

can somebody check the exchanges for how much money came to lay the mullins runner in the 1st please..she drifted like a barge as soon as the off she went right out?..someone knew she wasent going to run well today?..don't think the owners knew?

Silver - good shout with Gold Patrol

Good picking on this thread by Limestone Lad, Silvergreaser and Paulie, well done. most of the races covered by ye.

pa..can I ask your opinion on the mullins runner in the 1st?..i mean the betting patterns..drifted like a barge just before and @the off..someone knew that supreme horse was not going to win?

Tony can,t really comment as was doing something else at the time and came back 1/2 way through the race, haven,t looked at it again but at the time it looked a very negative ride i thought, the sp return say he went from 5/6 to 11/10 so you may well be right,he rode the winner in the next the complete opposite but that mightn,t mean anything.

Smallwille did he not win like a 1/6 shot?, I couldn't believe the price the bookies were offering?

pa..i know a guy who watches the exs and he called me to tell me @the off it went out to 6/1?..now that horse was backed like defeat was out the question for a listed bumper @Cheltenham 9/2 -15/8..yet 2-3 runners today were 100 /1 travelled better..deffo a smell imo..

Can,t see why she,d go out to 6/1 to be honest tony, she didn,t get away great but won,t warrant 6/1, not saying your buddy is wrong either,looked at the race again and it looked a "very poor" ride,she was way too far back though she made a mistake at the 2nd and jumped the 4th high,Ruby flapped his arms along the back straight alright but she was in an impossible position,be fuming if i backed her,never had a chance of winning.

never went to 6s at the off tony,went to 3.15 when ruby pulled it back in the pack

thanks rich,..he must of got it wrong..

thebrave     12 Dec 13 13:44 
Silver - good shout with Gold Patrol

Had 5 (6) bets today brave, 3 winners, so good day at the office, but if getoutwhenyoucan had have held on my xmas money would've been secured, had the 3 winners with him in a lucky 15 but there is always one.

Couldn't believe he got collared..ah well thats racing..

agree it was a shocking effort from ruby.....given she made an early mistake but wasnt of a yard,sunday serenade was nearly 5 lengths behind her on the flat at chelt and 7 and a quarter ahead of her today.

richters read the form, there was nowhere near 5L's between them , the prices were way off.

sorry sil i read that wrong,more like near 2 length....

Can I first give an impression of Rocketfingers.

Well juderinos when the Wildman decides to lay an odds shot its because his formula worked out Wicklow Gold was an 11/8 shot,us pros know this game is all about value,I had just finished my power nap watched my blonde girlfriend stagger across the room,know what I mean nudge nudge,I really am some ladies man,lo and behold there is Wicklow Gold trading at 2.44 this is wrong I say so like a chimera I become a backer of Wicklow Gold.
That's how the pros do it.

Unfortunately the truth is I did lay Wicklow Gold and averaged odds on.

Paulie Wallnuts called it right in every way,he jumped like a buck and never looked in any danger.

Sadly my contribution to this thread was dreadful considering some of the other fine efforts,an old friend Limestone Lad was in hot shot friends,others will remember him as the guy who put it up to Kingrat and sent him scurrying.

Should be               hot shot form.

wildmanfromborneo......believe me when I take no satisfaction in  being correct in this instance......I myself didn't really fancy it either.......certainly not enough to back it.....but there is a difference between that and making it a lay.....which I did not.....as you well know laying is hard.....laid one myself today...... tidy zag and you know what happened there.....
now im no genius..... far from it in fact......but when it comes to laying.....here are a few things I try to do.....and even at that I break my own rules regularly.....
1. try not to bother laying walsh..mullins..Henderson...geraghty...aidan o brien...them kind of fellas....if ya are patient ya will get the chance to lay the paul nolans....francis martin berry......Jessica....danny mullins.....mouse morris....them kind of people....
2. never lay favs in maiden hurdles.....
3. the shorter the flat race and the longer the jumps race is always in the layers favour.....
4. any amateur rider races increase the chances of a turn up.....
5. and I think its always advisable to fancy at least one horse to beat your lay......I think ive laid quevega 5 years in a row....without ever fancying anything in particular to beat her......
6. mares races can be hard to predict also.....although trainers like mullins seem to be able to keep them in form continually.....

I am a poor layer would hate to tot up my losses laying.

An impressive list of guidelines,I used have two others.
Always try and lay in bumpers that exceed two miles
Conditions races on the flat because they are generally all trying.



Tony57 Supreme Bailerina drifted alarmingly,jumped the first big and then ballooned the second he was at least 6/1 at that stage,your pal did see that price just probably didnt realise the race was off.

good points paulie..i agree re finding at least two you think can beat the one yer laying...id say an added rule is the dreaded chasing..turn it off.tomoro isnt long coming around..another thing i ind works laying is to lay yokes going for 3 in a row in handicaps.it takes a fair one to win 2 handicaps in a row much less 3..and they are usually short

Wildman.....nobody and I mean nobody ever won laying one horse in a race on a regular basis.....I know of a few people far better than you or me at this game.....who have lost their balls over the years.....laying one horse in a race......

Interesting points been made , I think laying is the hardest game of the lot , while it might appear easy money , you can be sure the discipline needed to succeed is huge ..I believe what we call ill discipline raises its head more often in laying than backing ...

I know what you are saying is true but I just can't work out why.

I am an infrequent layer because of the losses but would have thought the lads working off the marked cards would win but they seem to get caught in the end.

In our hearts of hearts we know there will only be one winner,especially when they have a vested interest to helping the robots.

glad we all agree on that..workrider can vouch for a source i was getting laying info from and it still didnt work..im still temptd by the handicapper going for 3 in a row or the  maiden winner in its first handicap trading at odds on..discipline is hard to keep though..its the weakness.

Kavvie , the greatest weapon we have is discipline , yet time after time we revert to been greedy , hence our constant loss ....

Haha Wildman by his own admittance didn,t get much right in regards the racing, did get something very right imo and got a laugh out of the picture.
Very unnatural layer myself but liked to see others(good) opinions on it here.

I trust you boys weren't too engrossed in Tramore, and found the time to watch Geraghty's ride on Riverside

If that was McCoy, people would still be filling their Calvin's over it a truly outstanding performance

I have the following rules for laying:
You need a solid reason why the horse will lose, one or more of ground, trip, trainer, penalised in a novice race, horse is a pig etc.
The main point is you need to have at least 3 horses that you think will beat it

Even then its hard to make any profit...

Wicklow Gold was a pure dodgepot today that you could easily have seen losing, but befor you lay you need to have something (or 3) to beat it and there was  nothing you could fancy more in the race.

Didn,t mean anything untoward "in regard getting much right in the racing" in the above post by the way, happens each and all frequently and nature of the beast.
Best Jock around is B G, mind he probably had the best horse in the race as well,just seemed to outstay the rest imo. fair enough The Brave but either the shades are in admiration or a subtle aftertime i,m not sure.

jaysus, Lapsy back-peddling and apologising to his Commander in Chief in case he might have offended him. 

What a lackey!

Yes, when contemplating a lay it is advisable to feel you have two or three running for you, but occasionally such considerations go right out of the window, and when you see an odds on poke from somewhere like Mick Channon, Nicky Richards, Wee Dandy, Braveheart, and so on, the lure of the lay button is just phuckin overwhelming

Clarifying myself ozy, didn,t read right, i,m the lackey,you,re the hoe.

pa - No after timing, and shame on you for such a scurrilous suggestion

I had simply written him off before turning in, and really don't think many would have got that to the front

Sincere apologies The Brave, he did win a good race on him and is riding out of his skin at the moment.

I await the day when any of Dad's Army stand on their own two feet and dare to openly disagree with Capt Mainwaring.

Even when he is disparaging mental illness or openly racist,they sit silently in the shadows staring at their feet.

You,re only a selling plater with a forked tongue, give me someone that speaks straight anytime.

Irony is he would probably respect you more if you did dare to occasionally stand up to him.  No one respects am a Yes Man who is afraid to speak up.

ozy do ye have to insert your nonsense into every racing discussion thread?

you're some attention-seeker.

Sorry freddie, you are still blocked.  I will give you another chance in the New Year

What do you want me to stand up to him for? Ireland is getting overrun by every chancer from the 4 corners of the world taken advantage of her? The country is on its knees with false compo cases? what exactly?

Well lets start with mental illness, for example.

What about it? make your point it,s unclear.

Which would you say is a greater drain on the State by the way;

a)  Irish people taking advantage of the system
B)  Immigrants on benefits
C)  Compensation Cases.

Re mental illness, go read the thread, then comment on it, no point re-hashing it here. I cant remember the thread title but someone will.

Probably A, apologies to Kingkauto a fair point in regards laying btw.

Defintely A...it dwarfs the other two,which frankly in the overall scale of things are quite insignificant.

No racist element to it though,so Borneo doesn't bother getting stuck into that issue.

Just blame the immigrants, its easier.

I am retiring for the evening.  Good night, gentlemen.

Pro ratio in regards population i wouldn,t think it dwarfs it by that much,more to the point it is escalating and is going to continue to do so, the teddy bear is getting humped.

No s sure, anyway pro rata is irrelevant, its about the total sum of money involved.

The people humping the Teddy are the Irish themselves.  Immigrants are an irrelevancy by copmparison.  Jut an easy target for lazy emotionalism, appealing to the very worst kind of perejudices.

Of course the more relevant point of why racial profiling isn,t allowed is as usual with your arguments totally ignored because it doesn,t suit you, okay to profile Irish claimants but woe betide if they are from outside the country,discrimination against the Irish imo.

ozy doesnt even live here! (allegedly)

yet he likes to tar some of us with the racist brush for having views on whats going on in the country

you're out of touch Ozy. and that comment about Pa and Naziism should be removed.

Would it be going to far to round up the non-Irish in to camps, pa?  Think of the problems it would solve!

Führer befiehl, wir folgen dir!

Didn,t expect anything else Freddiek, just name calling if you don,t kow tow to the great liberal elite haha.

You are casting aspiration Ozy when you know i have said nothing of the kind, of course that also suits you.

Your ABC is poor as A equals C which is the one I have commented on most,the compensation seekers are nearly all Irish.

My objection to immigrants is a lot more than a monetary one.

They can smell a bit different tbf.