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Keeps popping up , the use of substances to boost performance . First evidence I came across ( my own eyes) involved horses trained by 2 trainers in England . First one had sprinters mainly who transferred from other yards , couldn't stay 5 furlongs on a downhill track with the wind behind them , running away from fields subsequently in competitive handicaps . Substances came from OZ as I recall .
Second one involved a high profile NH trainer whose horses improved by huge amounts , often involving front running which up to then had been not associated with the stable .
Olympic stuff then surfaced , along with blood "recycling" , then the cyclists surfaced big time , now we are waiting for Jamaican information .
With USA horses able to be administered substances banned in most other jurisdictions , Aussie horses able to partake of substances not allowed in UK , Ireland or Europe the questions arise increasingly .
I watch rugby every week , unreal physical specimens and development . Cornflakes for breakfast ?
When we see "unbelievable" improvements or records , can we believe they were achieved without "help " ?
Second one involved a high profile NH trainer whose horses improved by huge amounts , often involving front running which up to then had been not associated with the stable .
Olympic stuff then surfaced , along with blood "recycling" , then the cyclists surfaced big time , now we are waiting for Jamaican information .
With USA horses able to be administered substances banned in most other jurisdictions , Aussie horses able to partake of substances not allowed in UK , Ireland or Europe the questions arise increasingly .
I watch rugby every week , unreal physical specimens and development . Cornflakes for breakfast ?
When we see "unbelievable" improvements or records , can we believe they were achieved without "help " ?
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Fascinating. Who knew such skullduggery was afoot?
Can you shed any more light on this breaking news?
Can you shed any more light on this breaking news?
Sarcasm is a low form of anything Ozy . If you have nothing to say , keep your sarcasm to yourself .
I agree with Kelly......most things out of the ordinary are done with help.....I know of a 60 year old man from North Tipp....whos knocking spots off a quare wan in his local boozer.....he needs the help of a blue tablet.....and the help of his buddies to keep watch.....in case her husband turns up at the pub.....
Paulie , takes enough medication to have the kind of information the BHA would give their right hand for , from viagra , to powdering his nose , hope you understand that one Paulie 
. In fact he's the King when it comes to understanding the effects of drugs....
. In fact he's the King when it comes to understanding the effects of drugs....
Kelly,Ozymandius is not being sarcastic he just didnt understand the post.
Butler to him means some imaginary worker that Pater employed.
He hasn't heard of Gerard Butler or the main racing news of the day hence the smart Alec post.
Butler to him means some imaginary worker that Pater employed.
He hasn't heard of Gerard Butler or the main racing news of the day hence the smart Alec post.
wonks.....in all fairness there will be no medic ever come up with a concoction to sort you out......not in our lifetime anyway......
NO need for me mate , You , now thats a different matter altogether ....
wonks.....it wasn't yer under carriage I was referring to......twas more the vacuum between yer ears I was on about.....
Yours in disconnected at this stage mate , the only thing that passes for knowledge in your head is rabid mutterings .....
they is a write up on the irish case on page 7 of the irish field.interesting.
Kelly must be despairing?, he started a thread looking for opinions on the subject matter and within seconds the thread was hijacked by the usual suspects.
FWIW Kelly I've an extremely suspicious nature, I've always believed if something looks too good to be true it usually is.
In athletics I'm inclined to accept that the vast majority are at it away from competition.
Rugby has a reputation as been squeaky clean but I agree with you when you look at todays rugby players compared to say the players of the 80's they look like monsters in comparison, surely its not all just pumping iron?.
I believe horse racing is awash with illegal substances mostly used out of competition, but compared to other sports if a trainers horse tests positive they're usually just given a slap on the wrist fine, but in other sports if you test positive long bans are the norm.
I see no difference in a human injecting a dumb animal to a human injecting himself, both are trying to gain an unfair advantage but treated as a mere misdemeanor by one regulatory body while the other treats it as a serious breech of their rules and dish out the appropriate punishment.
FWIW Kelly I've an extremely suspicious nature, I've always believed if something looks too good to be true it usually is.
In athletics I'm inclined to accept that the vast majority are at it away from competition.
Rugby has a reputation as been squeaky clean but I agree with you when you look at todays rugby players compared to say the players of the 80's they look like monsters in comparison, surely its not all just pumping iron?.
I believe horse racing is awash with illegal substances mostly used out of competition, but compared to other sports if a trainers horse tests positive they're usually just given a slap on the wrist fine, but in other sports if you test positive long bans are the norm.
I see no difference in a human injecting a dumb animal to a human injecting himself, both are trying to gain an unfair advantage but treated as a mere misdemeanor by one regulatory body while the other treats it as a serious breech of their rules and dish out the appropriate punishment.
Not despairing , silver . One of the reasons I started the thread is that I have "Seven Deadly Sins" by David Walsh sitting on my desk , and thought there might be some aspects of the "drug" scene in sport which would add to the reading / interest in that publication .
Worldwide the racing fraternity have embraced the "veterinary" route . I read many years ago that the thoroughbred horse has plateaud as a developing species in the 1930's according to timimgs etc . Guess mankind never accepts fact ( if its true ) . I dont think horses ( maybe Frankel excepted in recent times ) run any / much faster than they used to despite changes in training and so called "advances" in scientific matters .
Nobody has got near Flojos records either in athletics ( womens ) and we know about her . How many other records are fuelled by strange breakfasts ?
But the rugby players are getting bigger by the week .
Worldwide the racing fraternity have embraced the "veterinary" route . I read many years ago that the thoroughbred horse has plateaud as a developing species in the 1930's according to timimgs etc . Guess mankind never accepts fact ( if its true ) . I dont think horses ( maybe Frankel excepted in recent times ) run any / much faster than they used to despite changes in training and so called "advances" in scientific matters .
Nobody has got near Flojos records either in athletics ( womens ) and we know about her . How many other records are fuelled by strange breakfasts ?
But the rugby players are getting bigger by the week .
Incorret. Rugby players have been getting leaner for several years now.
If you mean by "leaner" ozy that they don't have any floppy fat then I agree with you, all turned into muscle.
That too, Greaser, but I mean smaller overall, less bulk.
It got too a point, several years ago that players became too bulked up, mobilty suffered and the injury count increased as joints couldn't cope with the extra weight.
Targets were reassessed and players bulked right down.
The genuine big men in world rugby now tend to be South Sea islanders, genetically they have greater capacity to maintain mobility whilst carrying bulk. Flip side is they have a very short life expectancy.
Targets were reassessed and players bulked right down.
The genuine big men in world rugby now tend to be South Sea islanders, genetically they have greater capacity to maintain mobility whilst carrying bulk. Flip side is they have a very short life expectancy.
Please don't forget GAA Footballers, this a sport now without skill, if there ever was ever any, just sheer brute ignorance and force.
Rocketfingers........At least people still come to watch it. Your sport lost it all years ago.
I see the IRFU have vowed not to let grassroots rugby in Ireland slip.
I see the IRFU have vowed not to let grassroots rugby in Ireland slip.
dont forget the doctor linked with the EPO in cycling said if he told what he knew Spain would have to give back the last World Cup....
rocket im off to work soon..your stupidity is breathtaking..i kno ur trying to rise me and gant.!...i agree with you..gooch berard brogan james donoghue michael murphy daniel goulding cillian o connor etc are brutes with no skill!!
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