A tribute to Lou Reed a man of many vices

Say hey babe take a walk on the wild side.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_4wKYrky4k

^ what a miserable ****

And I don't mean Lou.

R. I P. TO A LEGEND

Were you also a fan, poorpup?

I'm glad you didn't see this thread earlier, there were some very hateful and bisexualphobic remarks expressed by one of our more backward contributors.

yes,he was briiliant,i can imagine whose post was removed though

Last great American Whale was the song I heard one night on the radio that got me hooked from the New York album - Some fantastic lyrics on that one.

My fav lines for no particular reason from Baton Rouge

I once lost a car in a divorce
the judge was a woman of course
she said give her the car your house and the keys
or else I set the trial date !

Great Music and always words than made you smile even if wryly

What a genius

Not everyone's cup of tea but it is quite possible to be fan of his music without admiring the man tbf....

It is terribly sad to think that some people can allow an Artist's sexuality to get in the way of enjoying the Artist's work.

Ozy his parents brought Lou for some electro therapy to try and cure his homosexual tendencies back in the 50's.

Yep a persons sexuality should have nothing do with enjoying the artists work.

peraps the oz and the rock could try this........

Each to their own wildman but many would beg to differ as the VU are touted as one of the most influential bands of all time.

The VU and Nico album lies in 13th place in Rolling Stone magazine all time list.

I'm sorry, do my ears deceive me?

Are you equating bisexuality with paedophelia?

Surely it should be eyes.

My statement is a general one and is in response to your " artists sexuality" remark.

ONY , always ready do defend his own , how many times will the defender of the other side , come on here bitching ..

OZY EVEN...

So do you equate bisexuality with paedophilia or not?

OZY , if you want to come out that's fine with us , no problem , don't keep doing this to yourself , if you're on the other side don't feel you cant tell us , we are an understanding bunch ...Let it all out , man up , opps sorry , an inappropriate phase ...

Please Wonks, this is a grown up discussion, take a seat at the back you might learn something.

An artist's sexuality would not influence my enjoyment of their oeuvre whatsoever. 

To suggest that this extends to Gary Glitter equates bisexuality and paedophilia.

I find this rather disturbing.

The irony, here, Wonks, which you are unlikely to be capable of grasping, is that it is the most homophobic of people who are most likely to be gay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/homophobic-maybe-youre-gay.html?_r=0

I think we can safely assume, until informed otherwise, that Borneo does in fact equate bisexuality with paedophilia.

dont believe everything ye read on tinternet oz.....

are you comfortable with homosexuals, Richters?

no ozy i am not but everyman to their own......

The fact is Del , if i was gay i'd be proud as they say ...You on the other hand don't seem to sure....

Oh,quite sure, Wonks, if we were both of that persuasion I would be proud to make u my biatch

Ah now we're getting to the truth , any little encouragement and you show your true self.....

is the rock your biatch oz?

" artists sexuality " is your term and it doesn't matter to you so presumably the pop singer Gary Glitters sexuality is not relevant either.

They must like Lou Reed here but he was a poor singer and by all accounts an unpleasant character,his only saving grace was his like of Edgar Allen Poe.
The only redeeming feature of the Velvet Underground was their talented female drummer Maureen Tucker,she wasn't as claimed the first female drummer as Honey Lantre of the Honeycombs definitely preceded her but she was probably the best.

Whether or not paedophilia is a sexuality is open to debate, medically it is classed as a pyschiatric disorder.

As you know it is both illegal and immoral, and I don't see how an artist being bisexual would alienate you to the same extent than if they were a paedophile.  Is your homophobia really that potent?

Its just different degrees.
It may be illegal now but the European Greens wanted to legalise it,Danny The Red the most vocal.

Who are you to decide what is moral or not,you don't allow certain views on morality,old Christian views on morality are now illegal such as church teachings on homosexuality.

You champion certain causes but like all Liberals don't allow differing views.

Homsexuality is between consenting adults.  And whether you like it or not, is now recognised and protected by law.

How you can equate it with Paedophilia is beyond me.

Your the one equating it.
Times change,laws change and maybe people more liberal than yourself will decriminalise other sexual practices.

Homosexuality is a sexual deviancy whether you like it or not,I don't agree with the persecution of homosexuals but neither do I agree with its promotion or the new persecution of people who hold traditional Christian values.

Again..consenting adults versus innocent children..I know who I am more concerned about.

As regards homosexuality being a sexual deviancy, that was the prevalent view a hundred years ago, now updated.

American Psychiatric Association  reclassified homosexuality in 1973. Martin Kafka writes, "Sexual disorders once considered paraphilias (e.g., homosexuality) are now regarded as variants of normal sexuality'.

I think Ozy , is about to make a statement soon , the thing is we all guessed it long ago...Will he have the bottle i wonder....

Your rational is, as ever, Wonks, fundamentally flawed.

It is not necessary to be homosexual to speak up against homophobia.

By your rational and logic, no doubt you assume me to be Black or Muslim?

wouldn't bother me at all Del , what you think don't matter , like i said you're irreverent , off to get ready to go racing , while i'm sure you'll spend the rest of the afternoon fixing your dolls house no doubt...bye ...

Oh I'm 'irreverent' alright   What a numpty!

Christian values?, the Catholic Church was rife with this so called sexual deviancy but it usually involved young boys and I'm not just talking about the 50's and 60's in Ireland but going back to 16th and 17th Century Rome and its many Christian orders where this sexual deviancy was practiced almost routine.

Don't think its just the Catholic Church Silvergreaser , the coe has had its problems , along with others ...all religions have their ghosts ...

Its a measure of the smug self righteous world of Ozymandius that he thinks there are no more boundaries for the Liberals,he naturally thinks we now have the balance right.

His present mantra " consenting adults " sounds fluffy and good but if he truly believed that there was nothing wrong with homosexuality and it was the same as heterosexuality he would agree that the age of consent would be the same for both.

Do you ?

The age of consent is the same for both **** and hetrosexuals in Ireland.

The age of consent of 17 for men (both heterosexual and homosexual) and an age limit for women was set at 15 again both homosexual and heterosexual sex.

Curiously Ireland therefore still discriminates on the grounds of gender which has the effect that the age of consent for gay men is 17 but for lesbians is 15.

I didnt know that.

Its only a matter of time before there are new demands to lower the age of consent.

Now that we must embrace other cultures surely it is discrimination against Muslims and the Roma having the age so high,have they special dispensation?

I think you will find, despite all the scaremonegering that we remain very much a Theocracy.

We were never a real Theocracy although accept the Catholic Church had too much influence.
Now however the Catholic Church is in full flight and the only chance of a Theocracy is from the crowd you so eloquently champion.

Well informed about gay rights OZY , have to give you that.....

Thank you, Wonks. 

It's not often that Borneo admits he didn't know something and calls me eloquent, all in the same morning.

Is there a reason for that DEL...?

We all got your inference the first time, Wonks.

You don't have to spell it out for us like we are 2 year olds.  God knows, it isn't exactly what you would call sophisticated humour to begin with.

CERTAINLY ISN'T OLD BOY , ITS JUST YOU SEEM SO FORTHCOMING ON OTHERS ASPECTS OF YOUR LIFE , I.E. I'M UNI EDUCATED ,I'M A BUSINESSMAN ,ETC ETC , YET YOU SEEM RETICENT TO STATE YOUR PREFERENCES ON THIS SUBJECT , DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT DEAR , I THINK WE CAN GUESS...

oh dear...the caps always come on when you get frazzled.  Too frazzled to even throw in the trademark inane smiley.

It's you who keeps labouring my education and business activities, not me, dear.

I was just wondering if you had a problem telling us if you were gay that's all ,no harm in that surely ,your constant battles to highlight what you consider injustices to gays etc etc ..Seems rather strange ,I've always thought that if i really get involved in something ,its simply because i either belong or would like to belong ...I'm heterosexual as i'm sure you've guessed , and i would defend heterosexuals ...You on the other hand seem to take exception to anything heterosexual,so on that basis i was wondering if it was because you were homosexual ...no need to get shirty just because i asked a simple question ....

I'm heterosexual as i'm sure you've guessed , and i would defend heterosexuals

I don't think they are under attack.

As a hetrosexual, Wonks, what is it that you feel threatened by?

every village has a g@y and Ozy is the Irish forum's own

Still afraid to answer i see ,well guess i'll just have to reverse my opinion of you as a Proud man .....Pity really , such an outspoken critic of others ,yet stands there like a rabbit in the headlights ....When it comes to it himself.....

Wonky, you teasing minx, I have told you on several occasions that I am straight, deal with it dahling.

Yeah and we believe ya as well....

and I guess I just don't know and I guess I just don't care?