gowran

good luck with yer horse......it has the makings of a hottish race id say.......

yes agreed it looks a tricky one..

Agree, Betting Betting Betting, especially in Bumpers. I don't find the breeding aspect nearly as important in NH either. NH stallions are of the lower end and by their nature inconsistent, even more so than their flat counterparts. Stallions like Milan, some love, some reckon he produces overpriced rubbish. Very hard to know when NH progeny are going to come to hand either.... which brings us back to the betting.

Bowe's horse has no chance in bumper.  Was 4/1 in a 6 runner fast ground Point to Point so wouldnt imagine he is that well thought of and coming from this stable there will be no improvement in it from the first day.  Will be 7/1+ price.

tom costello never looked at the breeding of a horse when buying.always looks and temperament..

ive took 5/2 for meades,..i understand where youre coming from neill with the betting..but I have to disagree over the breeding..the flat as you may have more to go on? but imo breeding is just as important for the jumps..just my opinion and I put it in when im punting.

Tony 57,would being by an American sire who raced over a mile be a concern on soft ground or is there plenty of stamina on the dam side?
I see there on Timeform that he is a half brother to Jazz Messenger.

American bred sire

Chicago wins the maiden hurdle

Seems to be plenty of confidence behind seasoned chaser Rare Bob reverting back to hurdles, the horse never won a hurdle race but would look reasonably handicapped on his previous best novice hurdle form, a long time ago I know!. Certainly won't mind the conditions.

yes dj..it is a worry fto!..but as you have said he is a half brother to messenger..so we,ll see..ive made my bed.

richters..I like the mullins runner..its bumper form is decent..i think Chicago is short ?but at the price I,ll chance some hawk

tony if chicago reproduces his first run over hurdles i think hel be to good for the newcomers over hurdles,a possible danger could be the hogan horse benalex park,chicago could be a useful recruit to the hurdling scene this year imo....

yes the fto @listowel was ok on debut..i just thought it would be bigger, but best of luck mate..

very disappointing mine...

BRUTAL.......went out like a light.....

cheers chumps!

Way too keen early Richters.

it might win the triumph dickie,get on anti post!

civil service off 2day again rocky......well for some......thought he was still goin well 2 out pa,winner did it easy....

Chicago has two chances of winning the Triumph hurdle apart altogether from the fact that he is a year too old!

arkle as you know ..even the mans jokes...are a joke!

Interesting run from Rare Bob there, jockey didn't look one bit interested in getting involved at the business end. Looked like the horse had plenty more to offer?.

Bit early for a prep run for the national!.

Wonder will Penny,s Tune jump off in the next,4/7 left,7/4 off on terms imo.

Shes an unfortunate thing, not beaten at all far despite losing so much at the start,one for i/r shortly after the start in future.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!cheers tony and dickie,keep em coming.

^^ Aftertiming again.

no work today rocky,post your lays....TA

have u any more selections  dickie?

Rat put a small bet in for ya on the daq, E50 at 2.62 on alfonso de sousa 7.45, take that and i,ll put more up, or are ya just full of sh1te

you never answered the question mugfingers?

Ratty disappears back to his crayon book.

dont be silly old pa ,i can lay it for less.get with the program m8.

What do ya want?

i will lay u at 5-4

kingratofthegypsies hasnt a 5er to his name ffs.......

Too low as you well know with 2.37 available, i,ll put the fifty in at 6.15 at 2.45 a fair price for a couple of minutes,if you don,t take a fifty you are just full of it.

the chumps are seething!

2 minutes ratty, tis only a fifty.

i have offered u 5-4,take it or leave chump!

2.42 now for ya.

Nothing up at 5/4

Is it too much? do you want me to drop it to 5or10?

put up a monkey at 5-4

For you to arb it,i will me whole.

Theres a fiver up at 2.42 can ya manage that?

2.35 so for a fiver, ask your mam to cover it

Stick up yer monkey Lapsy and stop messing around. 

The way it reads at the moment is that you are the one short of dough.

Back to celeb big brother and away with yourself.

#bottledit

well played Kinger

Rubbish, wouldn,t lay a fifty, wouldn,t lay a fiver, not a pot to piss in, Nothing ever put up at 2.25 and a few hundred in the way of that anyway.

Pa Lapsy your too good a punter for theses clowns to drag you down to their level,just ignore them.

Thanks Huddys you,re right of course i shouldn,t be bothering, lies and aftertiming sickens me and that has been going on a long time with the very well named trio in the opening post.

Three cowards opening post^^

a cowardly knacker and now the dole sponge ozy wades in with his 10ps worth.......ozy go get yourself a fkn life,lurking about here when ye are supposed to be on imaginary business,it must be killing you......WASTER......

Having a job or a business does not preclude being on here, Dickie.  I mean you deliver stuff in a Transit but still post...

DEL , YOU WERE NOT MISSED , AND YOUR LAST FEW POSTS EXPLAIN WHY...NOW PISS OFF...

you have no idea what i do ozy,does it not bother you that you are a hate figure on here........this forum is your life,i actually pity you......

absolutely hilarious!.old pa is seething and tries to get 1 over on me with a mickey mouse 50,i say a monkey and then ozy calls it straight that old pa is messing about.with that the rest of the chumps arrive knowing that old pa is making a gobsh1te of himself.

2.46 now and you wouldn,t/couldn,t lay it at 2.42 for that mickey mouse fifty, think that says it all really

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!

As Nutty would say ....Off ta bed with ya Ratty ya muppet....

When any of the 'Last of the Summer Wine Trio' plomp for one, they invariably get it wrong

they dont know how to read the form book ozy.with these mugs ,its all about emotions and whims.ffs even the bird from laddies knew the score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2QJnorsTM

Look out for Wonky in the wolly hat as 'Compo', Borneo as 'Foggy' and Lapsy as 'Cleggy'.

Guest staring Dark Rosaleen as Nora Batty.

DEL AND RODNEY HAVE ARRIVED....

i think the only 1 going to bed wr is old pa,depressed and skint!

Even Tony57 would have stuck his head in the door and said 'thats's racing'.

Old Pa just stormed off.

DEL AND RODDERS ..THE AFTERTIMING KINGS....

Ain't seen the racing today, but from reading might Rare Bob be one to win a race or two over flights this season and sneak into the Pertemps off a nice weight. It seems to be a race where the old-timers can compete from time to time. He has a very good target trainer and a class jockey who would only have to get in close at a few........ How eye-catching was he today?

8k maiden winner goes off 5/4 fav against proven group 1 winner, hilariuos you lot must of doubled your banks tonight

dont be rubbing it in roadie,the chumps have had enough!

for rat to even say pa wouldn't take his bet just shows how deluded rat is...he,s played this game before remember?..pa knows if he had of said ok I,ll take your monkey..rat would of scurried away..he,s a welcher..the man doesent pay his gambling debts..pa knows this..so who can blame him not wanting to entertain this hypocrite.

thats racing tony!

the kingofthegypsies is broke tony,he hasnt a pot to p155 in,he invents a job,a wife and a life in reality he leads a lonely non existence on the outskirts of ballymun......but saying that his selections are well woth the following for lay purposes......

cheers chumps for yre dough,i am enjoying a nice bottle of chablis and have ordered a take away.all tanks to dickie,tony and what a bonus,old pa!will dine out fancy tomorrow night with the wife.

i think i will have lobster.

your mate in the turk kebab shop will be delira to see ye,dont 4get to ask him for a tip in the bulgarian basketball......

get in yre transit dickie and make a few bob to keep me in the style  i am accustomed to!

bottle of chablis and take away = 4 cans of special brew and a 7inch frozen pizza from aldi shared with his glasgow buddy paulie wingnuts.......enjoy......and go easy on the special brew your back at the civil service on monday dont forget......

Pa Lapsy a genuine punter with possibly the best punting record of all on here is being harried by three gentlemen who neither bet or know anything about racing.

Huddys and Tony57 two other patently decent posters have given excellent advice on this thread,I hope Pa Lapsy keeps putting up his impressive posts and ignores the three aftertiming informing welching wreckers.

I must tell you some day, Borneo, about the day I gave Lester the leg up at the Curragh.  On one of my dear Father's hosses.

It was a Sunday if I recall, I assume he was there for an important race later on in the card, ours was one of the earlier ones.

oh dear rock piper has come back........

are u abit upset wildman?work on a quiz about the arc and u will be a1.leave the gambling to the cincinnati kid!

some logging on/off tonight,rocky will be along any minute now...

heading down to gowran soon and think Ruby will have a good day there ...good luck all punters...

I was going to start a new thread rather than bring this back up but hopefully we can stick to the racing today.
The Grade 2 chase is a fascinating race but not one I will be getting involved in,as a neutral I hope Sizing Europe goes well but with 4 realistic challengers,he is on the short side if anything.

I like Art of logistics in the beginners chase,he was an intended runner at Balinrobe a couple of weeks ago but was withdrawn due to the ground being too quick.Although beaten some long distances in the hottest of novice races last year(20 lengths behinf Jezki and Un atout)he has plenty of abiity-beating Curley Bill in a bumper and has a progressive profile.

Balnaslow has some decent PTP form(beating Ted Veale at Loughanmore) and should make a good chaser but perhaps would prefer a greater test of stamina.

Princeton Plains was a very capable hurdler and also makes his chasing debut here but with these connections there could be a long term plan.

Too Scoops-Ran an admirable race in the Galway hurdle beaten only 10 lengths and as the betting suggests rates the biggest danger to the selection,De Bromhead is excellent with a chasing debutante.

Yeah dj there's a good chance this thread will revert to the same old bitching from the usual suspects.

I think Sizing will win today as De Bromhead likes to mop up a lot of these early graded races with Sizing so I'm sure the horse will be a lot more forward then many of his challengers, having said that its a decent contest for early October.

I'm only going to have one bet and that is Baresi in the 4.05, at the weights he should easily turn the tables with Blackwell Synergy with the jockey also claiming 7lb a 11lb pull in total. Baresi also made a mistake at the last that day and probably would've finished a couple of lengths closer?.

I'm not so sure about obvious danger The Crafty Buthcher over the 3 mile?, I do though have major reservations when I back a horse from the Byrnes stable for obvious reasons.

I'm giving Pastoral Player one more chance today at Ascot 3.50, its his first run in h/cap since May last year has been contesting group and listed races, is only 4lb higher when winning this race in 2011 and has shown most of its best form at Ascot so surely today Pastoral is a sound ew investment??.

I was going to play Pastoral Player at Ascot but the ground going soft has now put me off and i'll just watch on

The horse has shown some good form on soft premier notably a 3L 3rd of 25 to Deacon Blues at Ascot in 2011, and Deacon Blues turned out to be a pretty decent sprinter.

I can certainly see why people would fancy Sizing today(2m 4f probably ideal now) and I won't be laying him because the opposition are hardly an improving lot with the possible exception of Baiey Green who might find something nearer to his Arkle form on ground with some give but Market suggests he could need the run.

Plenty of money for Baresi but it's probably the liquid late market which will be the best signal.He has plenty of form on soft ground and CB is a very capable trainer so further improvement is likely on only his second run for the stable.U'd imagine he'd over turn the form with BS but dangerous method to include Jockeys claim. 22LBs higher than his last winning hurdle mark but has been competitive of these marks - got 4lbs for his second at Listowel.

I like art also dj,..I think you some up the last just as I see it..lets hope were right.

1.62 IR Greaser,strong ride from Geraghty as per usual.

great ride from geraghty

Yeah the other jockey looks like he has a bit to learn looking around him between the last 2 and then looking unbalanced in the finish.

I backed Baresi at 6/1 ew this morning with PP so not too bad, as for my doubts about TCB and the trip? not a bother too him.

Once I heard Matt Chapman was on Pastoral Player I rolled up my docket and threw into the fire place before they came out of the stalls, would stop a charging bull elephant would Chapman.

very good silver,..i have tosay tho Johnson gave it a ride..

how strange was that? the 2 giggy runners fell @the same time?

another fine ride davy russell

nice winner to end the day ..welldone dj..

To be fair to dj876, he is by some distance the best regular racing contributor on here.  He appears to be an excellent judge and understands betting.

His selections are well worth following.  A label only previously applied to Keen Leader.