Poor old Thomas hung out to dry

I wouldn't have any sympathy for any of the connections and that definitely includes the jockey.
Just because they have got punished and others get away with it on a daily basis doesn't make them any less guilty.
One thing is for sure,they'll have no sympathy for any of ye when they are taking yer hard earned.

Silver G.What you make of Rupert there?Safe to say he would have won on either??

Not at all dj876,the jockey makes no difference. The best horse won.

I only just saw BJG'S post on the other thread.I hadn't realised that the trainer had criticised the ride and that the jockey was taking full responsibility.

theytook an awful long time to call that photo, looked pretty clear to me.

1.48 Neil D .was last price matched(no hoovering)

Surprised that the betting was re-opened for the photo,I didn't think BF had a rep. at the smaller meetings in Ireland any longer.
They certainly didn't reopen the betting on Stonmaster's photo at Kilbeggan last Friday.

Brutal aftertiming here, but I backed Darroun, very lucky as mentioned Ruby would have won on either, but I had a bit on the eventual second in the photo as I thought something was up.

I thought for a minute that you were referring too Tommy Carmody Silver........

Ruby would have won on either????????????????  What sort of bolloxology are you on about? Nothing wrong with the ride R.T. Dunne gave to the runner up. Ruby is on a 135 rated horse and R.T. Dunne is on a 112 rated horse and gets beaten a nose. As they say in America, "Do the maths".

Agree Gotchee

Do you think he ran to 135 tonight then? Dunne didn't even know where the line was going by the interview after the race, says it all. Huge difference between the strength of Walsh and Dunne in a close finish, Walsh even said after the race that it took everything he had to get that horse home, he was at his best.

What did Dunne do wrong? Walsh was on the best horse who ran to his mark. You will find that Dunne's horse ran to his best ever mark and don't be surprised to see his handicap mark increase. Taking Dunnes claim into account and the allocated weight differential, Darroun should have won by 13 lengths.
Although he was beaten a nose, on all known form R.T. Dunne rode a better race than Rupert.

Fair enough, I'd agree he improved there last night, but Darroun couldn't hold his position on a number of occasions and I'd doubt he is worth a mark of 135 myself. They are going chasing with him now apparently so maybe they think he is going to struggle off that too? Just thought Walsh did well to get him home myself and drew on his experience of that type of situation, that is not to say Dunne did anything wrong.

Good luck tya anyway Gotchee, you could be right all the same.

OH Sweet Divine,this place just gets better.It's now clear to me that Robbie Dunne rode a 23 lb better race than Ruby Walsh.We are now judging a jockeys performance by their mounts rating.No one criticised Robbie Dunne,he's a decent jockey but if u don't think Ruby Walsh is worth a nose and wouldn't have won on either horse,then you  didn't watch the race and know nothing about it.

One can get carried away with ratings and last nights race confirms this and tells us nothing about the relative merits of the two jockeys. Neither did anything wrong but Rubys horse looked a difficult enough ride. If its as simple as "doing the maths" there would be no bookies and the handicapper could retire after a few months in the job.

Enough of the constant ****footing that goes on here and lets call a spade a spade,the post of the gotchee's at 8.16 am is the most ridiculous load of rubbish ever written on any thread,and anybody who doesnt think that Ruby Walsh made the difference on Darroun should consider taking an interest in another sport. Robbie Dunne rode an excellent race but it was absolutely vintage Ruby Walsh as his mount wanted it less than Dunne's,and to force it up was the ride of the summer so far.
The Gotchee has a fair cheek to be criticising and hounding excellent posters like Stamford Bridge,and then coming up with this concoction of s**** regarding this race,"do the maths" is right.

^^^i absolutely agree,the ride on darroun is just another example of the brilliance that is ruby walsh.he had no right to win  that race.put mccoy or bjg on the 2nd and ruby would not have got a sniff.

11/10 fav gets up to win by nose shock of horrors, I agree with the gotchee all these narrow wins look great at the time but if he got beat by a nose what would the reaction have been then?.

The Gotchee main point was RT Dunne did nothing wrong,one that Jimeen seems to agree with as he states he rode an excellent race.

Dunne got the rail went for his race and the only place he is beat is on the line,I acknowledge Ruby was at his strongest and certainly coaxed something out of a reluctant beast.

Saying what The Gotchee posted was the most ridiculous load of rubbish ever written his hyperbole and not true.

Silver did you see the race

Yep arklearkle, Ruby nearly got a hot fav beat by his sloppy jumping but of course that had nothing to do with Ruby it was all the horses fault?.

This is the same Ruby who has failed to complete in 3 of the last 4 Gold Cups, but that was all the horses fault too?.

Wildmn,what he posted was worse than rubbish. Darroun ran nowhere near his mark and it is patently obvious that is the case. Anybody who states that Darroun should have won 13 lengths is quite clearly talking through his hole.

silvergreaser i have you figured now.you hate excellence!!

Wrong kavvie I usually enjoy the excellence of the horse I believe the humans are all vastly overrated, Ruby won on what was clearly the best horse in the race no big deal really.

I doubt if Darroun will ever run to that mark again,only going one way.

Last night he was the second best horse Silver,having laid him still don,t know how Ruby got up on him. Ridden with a circuit to go Darroun  had no interest whatsoever and wasn't enjoying it at all, not sure he will ever run to 135 again or get a race again for that matter as he looked fairly tempermental.

jim mean, when you have to resort to personal insults, its a sure sign you have lost the arguement.

Young Doran gets 50 days, yet the riders in the recent Leopardstown debacle got just 4 days each which cost alot of punters quite a lot of money. Where is the justice there? Joke

What you have to factor in mr phantom is , What jockeys were involved at leopardstown ....

Ruby was on clearly the best horse in the race is yet another silvergreaser classic!!

On a different note you often comment on the fact that Ruby failed to complete in three of his last four Gold Cups as if this is proof that he is somehow not a great jockey yet you make no mention of his two Gold Cup wins..oh I forgot it was the horse that won those races yet when the horse fails to complete its held against the jockey..More great logical thinking!!Never let the facts get in the way of you argument.

You're ignoring the other facts to enforce your argument tolmi so I'd call that a draw.

One thing I have never been accused of is ignoring facts.However hearing you call it a draw is good enough for me

is sil on the gargle again!

My point is simple enough did Ruby really pull off a miracle of all miracles when he was clearly riding the horse with by far the best form on offer, it looked like he was beat when they hit the line, if the nod had went the other way what would the reaction have been?, these short head victories look great but no jockey ever plans to win a race by a short head.

And yet when a jockey gets a horse up to win by short head its always a miracle ride, as if he planned it?.

Of course he wasn't Sil, but it is when he gets reluctant favouites like Darroun home by that narrowest margins that people recognise his ability made the difference. At the highest level, he gave Big Bucks two brilliant rides in his first and fourth world Hurdles and he absolutely stole the Supreme Novices this year from 2 horses who I think might be first and second in next years Champion Hurdle.