OAKS TOMORROW ....PROVEN ABILITY V POTENTIAL ......

The french filly is interesting but she is a head case,second in the french oaks but before that ran into a hedge when clear.
I am sure JPM will try to produce her late.
Interesting Jockey bookings for ballydoyle. Heffernan keeps the ride.

Looks very trappy

DJ876 I just cant have the French filly , Its a long time since a maiden has won a classic , i have great respect for the trainer and everyone knows my opinion of Johnny , she has never run over the distance another minus for me , her sire is an influence for stamina , but she makes no appeal , The Epsom form seems to holp up year after year , I can see riposte running well but as i said in my opening remarks , She is a filly of massive potential , but to my way of punting i'd always take proven form over potential anytime...

I wouldn't have a strong opinion on the race,very different conditions for Talent tomorrow that is why you're getting the price.
The ground was  good to soft at Epsom and they went a really strong gallop,so it suited being held up.

I would agree with you about Good Lord Byron,hopefully the inclusion of the Ballydoyle 3yo will make him a decent price.

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I'd be siding with Riposte, that Ascot ground was plenty quick and she just has that proper classy Juddmonte background that makes one think she is going to get better and better. Beckett doesn't really rate his filly reading between the lines.

riposte and talent both related through rainbow quest, new approach going to be a very good sire. ratings based on best progeny only.
usually go with proven form in the book most of the time,should be an interesting race. gl all
sire
sadlers wells 136
galileo       143
new approach  127
ahonoora      130
              536

dam
peintre celebre 126
nureyev         137
rainbow quest   133
                396

talent total    932

Going by the stats, this is a two horse race. No idea what to pick between them though.

Themanmarcus if you think it is a two horse race PP are doing money back if you are 2nd(to a ton online but check yourself) might be a consideration. No real opinion on the Oaks either except agree with what was said about the French horse(comment on 2nd last race was looked to have race won til ran through a hedge,saw her last race and she wasn,t far from doing something similar)
Thought Saratoga Baby in the 4.10 might run well at a fair price,not greatly handicapped but shes a big thing down in class from her last run and trip and ground should be ideal.Have a good day.

Ya Pa good special with PP for those that can get on,Money back if you finish second in Irish Oaks-no stipulation on distance or second to favourite etc.€100 max (not sure if it's online only).
The prices aren't way off either(possible R4 tho) but hopefully alive alive oh will run and make it a dead 8 ew race.

Anyone see where the pace is going to come from in this race??,on all known form they are 8 hold up fillies.??
U'd expect that one of Ballydoyles will make it but will they set a strong gallop??.I have my doubts with Venus de Milo winning over 10f lto(but she won over 12f on debut),if they had the favourite or an English oaks runner you could guarantee a strong gallop but I think this could become tactical.

Maybe Ballydoyle will go a strong gallop but u'd think at least one of the the other trainers would have taken some precautions.

Bolger's filly made it the last day over a mile but has been generally held up and having not won over further than a mile would be surprised if she made it.

I really like Magical Dream to improve markedly on what she has achieved so far on fast ground. Her dam Red Evie loved it. What does cause me some concern is her jockey? Never heard of him and looks like he has ridden two winners according to the Racing Post- no disrespect to him but how has he managed to get a group 1 ride with Bally Doyle?

mc hussey riding for years.tough uncomplicated rider.

I would have thought that under the heading of this thread that wr was referring to Alive Alive Oh when he mentions potential. I think that the English filly (Riposte), has shown a very good level of form in her Royal Ascot victory, so for me the filly with the potential has to be Stacks filly. I would love to know the exact state of the ground. How much water has been put on ?. Did anyone see tankers from the Limrick area about the Curragh ?. Could this be watered to suit Alive Alive Oh. IMHO the English Oaks was a dire race, (Moth finished close up, didn't she?), and of the raiders I would prefer Lady Cecil's but if Stacks filly has a cut inspite of the ground issues she could win.

Also on the card So Devoted has a decent, chance, and with W McCreery on a good run maybe his Valbucca against JPM's fav..........

Jay , both fillies riposte and alive have the potential to win , I have a feeling alive won't run , so Riposte is the obvious one against Talent..The form of the oaks has taken some knocks in recent weeks i know , but the way she won was impressive , so i'm sticking with her today...

At this stage of the season, I think their hands are tied and Alive will be allowed to run. The watering cans will be out big time.........this is a high class filly.

On ground that suits , yes , can she reproduce it on this , that for me is the question Jay , why run her on this ground and maybe ruin her , why not wait for next year , its only about every 10yrs we get weather ...

alive alive oh pedigree ratings,duke of marmalade is still a young sire, first crop so far hasnt produced, alive alive oh is from the first crop.
sire
duke of marmalade 110
danehill          131
danzig            136
kingmambo         134
total             511

dam

sadlers well      136
northern dancer   127
kris              126
total             389

alive alive oh total  900

ripost total          906

talent total          932

will see today if that class edge on breeding, makes all the difference.

the french one ew at 6s appeals to me...jp m the man to make up her mind for her.pp doing a special,if you fin second money back.

I'm with kavvie on this one the French horse makes huge ew appeal in what to me is a sub standard oaks, Talent won well at Epsom but it might have been a bit of a fluke hence her starting price, all the rest are much of a muchness.

Anyone think this Darwin is overrated?, the American form is nothing to write home about and I wasn't over impressed at Naas didn't seem to have a whole lot left in the tank, GLB certainly brings more solid evidence to the table and will do for me.

darwin might be that bit classier..but i can see where your coming from

brings us back to potential versus proven form kav, Darwin might be a whole lot better than he's looked so far but are you willing to take that chance or go with GLB's proven form which is rock solid?.

Gary o brien saying the epsom race not as good as this .....I think they're looking at ascot and saying it was a better race , maybe they're right , we just have to wait and see ...

If the Epsom race is not as good as this then why then is the Epsom winner fav?

7 of the 10 fillies that ran against her at Epsom have ran since,one of them managed to place(see u sometime was third at Vichy).

DJ876 HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD SILVERGREASER , FORM NOT WORKING OUT....

WR,If I thought something was massive @ 5/2 in a classic,I'd be getting the wheelbarrow @ 3/1.

I can't believe Good Lord Byron(battle hardened 5yo) isn't favourite,he'll have that Ballydoyle 3yo(stepping down in trip on fast ground) run off his feet with 2 furlongs to go

the cecil filly is highly thought of at the yard..i thought her ascot win was impressive..my only worry is the ground?..im not sure she wont be better with a bit of cut?..but im on..good luck all

Of course she is highly thought of,she has won a group 2 at Royal Ascot.I can't see how the ground is a concern when firm was in the going description for her last 2 wins.

Not quite the wheelbarrow job dj876 but near enough at that price , i also agree with your take on Gordon , will be having a nice double ...I'm tormented tbh , my mate has a runner today and everytime i miss its race it wins , dont want to jinx it ...so will probably stay home...

tony will text you soon ....

Alive Alive Oh is n/r., and with that huge boost to Riposte, she looks a good thing.

WR,Head off to the races,don't mind that Magpie Bollo#ks.

My strongest position today is a dutch on a little Colombian fecker and a spaniard on bicycles up a mountain.

big boost to the cecil fillys win at ascot ..WAILA who was 5th to REPOSTE has just pissed up in a listed race at Newmarket!

riposte's trainer is bang in form at the moment, would prefer talent winning the race, ground could be a game changer.
ive never been to the curragh, looks rough track when the ground is firm, winner will be the one that handles the surface.

roadr your words of wisdom never fail to amaze me

kavvie , he has me baffled most of the time , i tried to read a few of his threads , but lo and behold i found myself lost between his first paragraph and his first full stop....

Tony the answer to your question is yes....

Get in there Quintana...Roll on Good lord Byron

thanks workrider...as I said will get back to you tomorrow morning..im coming over for the Tuesday at galway..will you be around mate?

O'Brien seemed fairly confident about Darwin tho.

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workrider..thanks been a poor day you just saved me..

Market told the story,impressive

Yeah,he was,at this stage as well,fine stamp of a horse.

looks a real nice sort?..looking forward to the oaks..

Gleeson wasn't half annoying Beckett there.
Did you back anything in it Pa??

Small bet on Riposte Dj, wouldn,t as said have a strong view,looking forward to see if the French one goes diagonal inside the latter part.

going a crawl

Ha,Wd winners with that one, she is some headcase all the same.

Venus de milo got slightly checked 100 yards out by the winner, don't see it getting thrown out.. Still though Venus was finishing like a train..

congratulations johnny murtagh!that was a peach of a ride!

Once again johnny shows himself a genius ..I went down and guess what...my mates horse won....

had a good day.jpm sum operator..and darwin aint bad either!!

cheers wr!keep them coming sport!

You can give up the day job now ratty , i'm sure you're a great punter , in fact i'm so sure you're a great punter i'd be afraid to have a thousend quid bet with you....AND YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS....

yre a born loser m8!but hey?u keep putting them up and i will keep laying them.

You my friend are a born coward ........We all know your strength on here ....Ratty the runaway........Your mythical bank must be overflowing....

well i tell ya,my bank is ticking over very nicely laying yre selections.

Another 4/11 winner for ya ratfingers.

workrider shows the the welcher up again..everybody knows he hasn't a pot to piddle in!..his mythical bank is full

Last years winner Bubbly Bellini though small and not too well handicapped could run a decent race and at 20/1 is a small ew play with 5 places in the 4.45.

Kingrat 23.11
yre a born loser m8!but hey?but u keep putting them up and i,ll keep laying.
What a MUG.

Don't think seamie did a whole lot wrong, but Coolmore must look at Murtagh and know they have made an error. They'd have had a triple crown winner last year anyway. He gets them home every time when he should and steals plenty of races too.