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19 Jul 13 16:48
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With Alive Alive OH likely to be a nr ...I make this a match , Talent the oaks winner v Riposte ...In this case I'm willing to go with proven form ...In fact I think she is a massive price at 5/2 ....Gordon lord byron will be my other bet on the day ......
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Report dj876 July 19, 2013 5:55 PM BST
The french filly is interesting but she is a head case,second in the french oaks but before that ran into a hedge when clear.
I am sure JPM will try to produce her late.
Interesting Jockey bookings for ballydoyle. Heffernan keeps the ride.

Looks very trappy
Report workrider July 19, 2013 6:06 PM BST
DJ876 I just cant have the French filly , Its a long time since a maiden has won a classic , i have great respect for the trainer and everyone knows my opinion of Johnny , she has never run over the distance another minus for me , her sire is an influence for stamina , but she makes no appeal , The Epsom form seems to holp up year after year , I can see riposte running well but as i said in my opening remarks , She is a filly of massive potential , but to my way of punting i'd always take proven form over potential anytime...
Report dj876 July 19, 2013 6:17 PM BST
I wouldn't have a strong opinion on the race,very different conditions for Talent tomorrow that is why you're getting the price.
The ground was  good to soft at Epsom and they went a really strong gallop,so it suited being held up.

I would agree with you about Good Lord Byron,hopefully the inclusion of the Ballydoyle 3yo will make him a decent price.
Report dj876 July 19, 2013 6:17 PM BST
Report neill d July 19, 2013 7:27 PM BST
I'd be siding with Riposte, that Ascot ground was plenty quick and she just has that proper classy Juddmonte background that makes one think she is going to get better and better. Beckett doesn't really rate his filly reading between the lines.
Report roadrunner46 July 19, 2013 7:56 PM BST
riposte and talent both related through rainbow quest, new approach going to be a very good sire. ratings based on best progeny only.
usually go with proven form in the book most of the time,should be an interesting race. gl all
sadlers wells 136
galileo       143
new approach  127
ahonoora      130

peintre celebre 126
nureyev         137
rainbow quest   133

talent total    932
Report themanmarcus July 19, 2013 11:02 PM BST
Going by the stats, this is a two horse race. No idea what to pick between them though.
Report pa lapsy July 19, 2013 11:55 PM BST
Themanmarcus if you think it is a two horse race PP are doing money back if you are 2nd(to a ton online but check yourself) might be a consideration. No real opinion on the Oaks either except agree with what was said about the French horse(comment on 2nd last race was looked to have race won til ran through a hedge,saw her last race and she wasn,t far from doing something similar)
Thought Saratoga Baby in the 4.10 might run well at a fair price,not greatly handicapped but shes a big thing down in class from her last run and trip and ground should be ideal.Have a good day.
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 9:11 AM BST
Ya Pa good special with PP for those that can get on,Money back if you finish second in Irish Oaks-no stipulation on distance or second to favourite etc.€100 max (not sure if it's online only).
The prices aren't way off either(possible R4 tho) but hopefully alive alive oh will run and make it a dead 8 ew race.

Anyone see where the pace is going to come from in this race??,on all known form they are 8 hold up fillies.??
U'd expect that one of Ballydoyles will make it but will they set a strong gallop??.I have my doubts with Venus de Milo winning over 10f lto(but she won over 12f on debut),if they had the favourite or an English oaks runner you could guarantee a strong gallop but I think this could become tactical.

Maybe Ballydoyle will go a strong gallop but u'd think at least one of the the other trainers would have taken some precautions.
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 9:16 AM BST
Bolger's filly made it the last day over a mile but has been generally held up and having not won over further than a mile would be surprised if she made it.
Report Belmez July 20, 2013 9:44 AM BST
I really like Magical Dream to improve markedly on what she has achieved so far on fast ground. Her dam Red Evie loved it. What does cause me some concern is her jockey? Never heard of him and looks like he has ridden two winners according to the Racing Post- no disrespect to him but how has he managed to get a group 1 ride with Bally Doyle?
Report kavvie July 20, 2013 9:56 AM BST
mc hussey riding for years.tough uncomplicated rider.
Report JayTrumpOldTomDubbl July 20, 2013 10:48 AM BST
I would have thought that under the heading of this thread that wr was referring to Alive Alive Oh when he mentions potential. I think that the English filly (Riposte), has shown a very good level of form in her Royal Ascot victory, so for me the filly with the potential has to be Stacks filly. I would love to know the exact state of the ground. How much water has been put on ?. Did anyone see tankers from the Limrick area about the Curragh ?. Could this be watered to suit Alive Alive Oh. IMHO the English Oaks was a dire race, (Moth finished close up, didn't she?), and of the raiders I would prefer Lady Cecil's but if Stacks filly has a cut inspite of the ground issues she could win.

Also on the card So Devoted has a decent, chance, and with W McCreery on a good run maybe his Valbucca against JPM's fav..........
Report workrider July 20, 2013 10:53 AM BST
Jay , both fillies riposte and alive have the potential to win , I have a feeling alive won't run , so Riposte is the obvious one against Talent..The form of the oaks has taken some knocks in recent weeks i know , but the way she won was impressive , so i'm sticking with her today...
Report JayTrumpOldTomDubbl July 20, 2013 11:06 AM BST
At this stage of the season, I think their hands are tied and Alive will be allowed to run. The watering cans will be out big time.........this is a high class filly.
Report workrider July 20, 2013 11:17 AM BST
On ground that suits , yes , can she reproduce it on this , that for me is the question Jay , why run her on this ground and maybe ruin her , why not wait for next year , its only about every 10yrs we get weather ...
Report roadrunner46 July 20, 2013 11:32 AM BST
alive alive oh pedigree ratings,duke of marmalade is still a young sire, first crop so far hasnt produced, alive alive oh is from the first crop.
duke of marmalade 110
danehill          131
danzig            136
kingmambo         134
total             511


sadlers well      136
northern dancer   127
kris              126
total             389

alive alive oh total  900

ripost total          906

talent total          932

will see today if that class edge on breeding, makes all the difference.
Report kavvie July 20, 2013 11:33 AM BST
the french one ew at 6s appeals to m the man to make up her mind for her.pp doing a special,if you fin second money back.
Report silvergreaser July 20, 2013 12:19 PM BST
I'm with kavvie on this one the French horse makes huge ew appeal in what to me is a sub standard oaks, Talent won well at Epsom but it might have been a bit of a fluke hence her starting price, all the rest are much of a muchness.

Anyone think this Darwin is overrated?, the American form is nothing to write home about and I wasn't over impressed at Naas didn't seem to have a whole lot left in the tank, GLB certainly brings more solid evidence to the table and will do for me.
Report kavvie July 20, 2013 12:28 PM BST
darwin might be that bit classier..but i can see where your coming from
Report silvergreaser July 20, 2013 12:35 PM BST
brings us back to potential versus proven form kav, Darwin might be a whole lot better than he's looked so far but are you willing to take that chance or go with GLB's proven form which is rock solid?.
Report workrider July 20, 2013 1:31 PM BST
Gary o brien saying the epsom race not as good as this .....I think they're looking at ascot and saying it was a better race , maybe they're right , we just have to wait and see ...
Report silvergreaser July 20, 2013 1:38 PM BST
If the Epsom race is not as good as this then why then is the Epsom winner fav?
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 1:50 PM BST
7 of the 10 fillies that ran against her at Epsom have ran since,one of them managed to place(see u sometime was third at Vichy).
Report workrider July 20, 2013 2:11 PM BST
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 2:19 PM BST
WR,If I thought something was massive @ 5/2 in a classic,I'd be getting the wheelbarrow @ 3/1.

I can't believe Good Lord Byron(battle hardened 5yo) isn't favourite,he'll have that Ballydoyle 3yo(stepping down in trip on fast ground) run off his feet with 2 furlongs to go
Report tony57 July 20, 2013 2:21 PM BST
the cecil filly is highly thought of at the yard..i thought her ascot win was only worry is the ground? not sure she wont be better with a bit of cut?..but im on..good luck all
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 2:26 PM BST
Of course she is highly thought of,she has won a group 2 at Royal Ascot.I can't see how the ground is a concern when firm was in the going description for her last 2 wins.
Report workrider July 20, 2013 2:28 PM BST
Not quite the wheelbarrow job dj876 but near enough at that price , i also agree with your take on Gordon , will be having a nice double ...I'm tormented tbh , my mate has a runner today and everytime i miss its race it wins , dont want to jinx it will probably stay home...
Report workrider July 20, 2013 2:28 PM BST
tony will text you soon ....
Report JayTrumpOldTomDubbl July 20, 2013 2:32 PM BST
Alive Alive Oh is n/r., and with that huge boost to Riposte, she looks a good thing.
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 2:32 PM BST
WR,Head off to the races,don't mind that Magpie Bollo#ks.

My strongest position today is a dutch on a little Colombian fecker and a spaniard on bicycles up a mountain.Crazy
Report tony57 July 20, 2013 2:40 PM BST
big boost to the cecil fillys win at ascot ..WAILA who was 5th to REPOSTE has just pissed up in a listed race at Newmarket!
Report roadrunner46 July 20, 2013 2:49 PM BST
riposte's trainer is bang in form at the moment, would prefer talent winning the race, ground could be a game changer.
ive never been to the curragh, looks rough track when the ground is firm, winner will be the one that handles the surface.
Report kavvie July 20, 2013 2:57 PM BST
roadr your words of wisdom never fail to amaze me
Report workrider July 20, 2013 3:24 PM BST
Laugh kavvie , he has me baffled most of the time , i tried to read a few of his threads , but lo and behold i found myself lost between his first paragraph and his first full stop....Laugh
Report workrider July 20, 2013 3:26 PM BST
Tony the answer to your question is yes....
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 4:16 PM BST
Get in there Quintana...ExcitedRoll on Good lord Byron
Report tony57 July 20, 2013 4:30 PM BST
thanks I said will get back to you tomorrow coming over for the Tuesday at galway..will you be around mate?
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 4:57 PM BST
O'Brien seemed fairly confident about Darwin tho.

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Report tony57 July 20, 2013 5:15 PM BST
workrider..thanks been a poor day you just saved me..SadHappy
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 5:42 PM BST
Market told the story,impressive
Report pa lapsy July 20, 2013 5:43 PM BST
Yeah,he was,at this stage as well,fine stamp of a horse.
Report tony57 July 20, 2013 5:45 PM BST
looks a real nice sort?..looking forward to the oaks..
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 6:07 PM BST
Gleeson wasn't half annoying Beckett there.
Did you back anything in it Pa??
Report pa lapsy July 20, 2013 6:10 PM BST
Small bet on Riposte Dj, wouldn,t as said have a strong view,looking forward to see if the French one goes diagonal inside the latter part.
Report dj876 July 20, 2013 6:16 PM BST
going a crawl
Report pa lapsy July 20, 2013 6:23 PM BST
Ha,Wd winners with that one, she is some headcase all the same.
Report walllace007 July 20, 2013 6:25 PM BST
Venus de milo got slightly checked 100 yards out by the winner, don't see it getting thrown out.. Still though Venus was finishing like a train..
Report kingrat July 20, 2013 6:37 PM BST
congratulations johnny murtagh!that was a peach of a ride!Laugh
Report workrider July 20, 2013 7:23 PM BST
Once again johnny shows himself a genius ..I went down and guess mates horse won....Cool
Report kavvie July 20, 2013 8:04 PM BST
had a good day.jpm sum operator..and darwin aint bad either!!
Report kingrat July 20, 2013 9:17 PM BST
cheers wr!keep them coming sport!Wink
Report workrider July 20, 2013 10:08 PM BST
You can give up the day job now ratty , i'm sure you're a great punter , in fact i'm so sure you're a great punter i'd be afraid to have a thousend quid bet with you....AND YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS....Laugh
Report kingrat July 20, 2013 10:37 PM BST
yre a born loser m8!but hey?u keep putting them up and i will keep laying them.Laugh
Report workrider July 20, 2013 10:55 PM BST
You my friend are a born coward ....Laugh....We all know your strength on here ....Ratty the runaway....Laugh....Your mythical bank must be overflowing....Laugh
Report kingrat July 20, 2013 11:11 PM BST
well i tell ya,my bank is ticking over very nicely laying yre selections.Laugh
Report pa lapsy July 21, 2013 9:04 AM BST
Another 4/11 winner for ya ratfingers.
Report tony57 July 21, 2013 11:28 AM BST
workrider shows the the welcher up again..Cooleverybody knows he hasn't a pot to piddle in!..his mythical bank is fullCrazy
Report pa lapsy July 21, 2013 11:44 AM BST
Last years winner Bubbly Bellini though small and not too well handicapped could run a decent race and at 20/1 is a small ew play with 5 places in the 4.45.
Report pa lapsy July 21, 2013 4:38 PM BST
Kingrat 23.11
yre a born loser m8!but hey?but u keep putting them up and i,ll keep layingLaugh.
What a MUG.
Report neill d July 21, 2013 4:46 PM BST
Don't think seamie did a whole lot wrong, but Coolmore must look at Murtagh and know they have made an error. They'd have had a triple crown winner last year anyway. He gets them home every time when he should and steals plenty of races too.
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