In Defence Of The Religious Orders

Most of the clergy and most of those involved in religious orders were OK  individually, and some of them splendid  , and still are . But as with life sometimes the lowest common denominator factor enters into the equation  , and unfortunately quite a few citizens suffered at the hands of some malcontents ( and worse descriptions ).

That the state failed to monitor activity in certain quarters makes it partly to blame , so trying to right a wrong costs . Simple logic in my book , any cost I suspect is buttons compared with more recent malpractices which have put the country in hock . The perpratators of recent malpracices will probably not get the punishment they deserve ( so called "white collar " offences ) .

Hopefully we are reaching an end to bad practice , time to move on with proper rights for citizens , and proper checks and balances for all levels , including government and institutions . Think we are all more mature now than in the past where there was a lot of overweening genuflection to those who found themselves in positions of power .

ok wildman....u still have not told us who u vote for in the irish republic....i think that is only right and propper that u lay yre cards on the table here.when i asked the sil,he said he voted for no 1,are u of the same ilk?

^ Excellent point Freddiek and that is no offense to BDJ either.

My family background would be Clann Na Talmhan but I tended to vote for the individual.
In the past I voted for David Molony because I knew his family and respected him,later I voted for Michael Lowry who was a great GAA man but unfortunately turned out a wrong one.

I expect you would like me to be a Sinn Fein supporter but no whilst I would consider myself a Republican can't abide the criminal element,the anti Catholic element and their general leftie ride on views.

It all depends on your definition of the word cult but most accept that the mainstream religions are not cults.

Cults tend to follow just one man and often have a collective death wish they don't have a long tradition.

The long tradition does make it ok.

The men cults follow are nearly always alive.

Your idea of tradition differs from mine.

it defies logic.but the brainwashing was very succesful.so people get offended when its pointed out to them.

Is that a without APOB market, Greaser?

i dont believe in religion either.what gave you the impression i did.the one i have most experience of is catholicism so i feel i can comment on it. getting 3 "sacraments"conferred on you before the age of 12 was the first thing that had me smelling a rat when i was a young lad!!.

The more you learn of life the less religious you get but that doesn't mean you abandon your traditions.

I am sure Kavvies parents were decent people,they brought you up in a certain way for what they considered good reasons you are entitled to reject their mores but don't sneer at them.

I'm in trouble I still love a fry and whilst I don't smoke Woodbines I do smoke Major and finish off a night with some Mick McQuaid.

I accept that the Catholic Church is in full flight in Ireland but don't feel its right to try and denigrate our parents who genuinely believed in it and whilst the Church did plenty of wrong it did some good.

It is a long way down the road but Islam will replace the Catholic Church here.

my ire is with all fundamental religion..........islam is without doubt the worst........the problem with fundamental religion is it puts concepts ahead of people..........i regard the catholics in this country who are against abortion in all circumstances as fundamentalists..........they would allow that indian women to die, even though the foetus had no chance of living.........this is putting the concept of "life" before reality.........its the same with their opposition to euthanasia.......someone who is in the latter stages of motor neuron disease probably has no quality of life, wants to die but these people say no........its daft stuff. if the fundamentalist were in this situation then go ahead live it out.........but they have no right to impose their view on everybody else.


thousands of young mothers were abondoned to institutions by their parents because they got pregnant at a young age..........imagine putting your daughter in the care of these people........dumping your own daughter............THEY WERE SYSTEMATICALLY BRAINWASHED.

good post bdj, I think I would agree with all of that.

I'm not so sure Kavvie.
London will be under some sort of Sharia law shortly
Malmo has no go Islamic areas and the majority of children in Malmo schools are Muslim
Holland once a bastion of freedom now has Muslim majorities in Amsterdam,they have few to stand against this as Pym Forteyn and Theo Van Gogh were both murdered in broad daylight for speaking against Islam.

Point of order, Borneo.

You use the term "Sharia Law". That is not only a redundancy, it is incorrect. Sharia is law, if you wish to use the term law, kindly refer to it as Islamic law.

i have no idea why you would say fair play to people for legitimising and contributing financially to that lot from the vatican.....

AH ,sure god love them , the liberal left had their way and look whats become of europe.....I heard a comment on rte yesterday from a woman who was covering the Egyptian spring , She spoke about the way some women were been RAPED during the riots ..She added that 93% of Egyptian woman have been SEXUALLY ASSAULTED ..What does that tell you about Islam....

It tells you nothing about Christianity but plenty about modern day South Africa.

I blame Mandiba.