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......lots of questions about that ride over on the racing forum .....
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Workrider have a look please,I would value your opinion.
I was out all day and only got a chance to review it now, that was criminal. He should have won by 10 lengths, well spotted WMFB. Was there an enquiry?
That was the worst I've seen in a long time. I can't find anything online that suggests action was taken, which is mind boggling.
According to Racing Post analysis by J Ward. "Majestic Benbulben was slightly impeded when staying on nicely after the last. This was a fine start to handicapping and she looks capable of winning a handicap". So I guess Sligo stewards saw nothing to report. One of the worst cases of deliberately stopping I have ever seen.
I have just read that Majestic Benbulben burst a blood vessel, bled from both nostrils, thus the stewards took no action. It's amazing how many times these massive eye catchers are found to be lame or with some other problem after the race.
Worst I've seen in a long long time wildman,practically strangled the beast between the final 2 flights.
For the record, the stewards did hold an inquiry, but that was the result, no action taken due to the confirmed burst blood vessels.
Imo , the only excuse they could have was , they were squeezed a little on the run to the second last , Barry seemed to allow himself to become unbalanced after jumping the last , He imo was also very easy , till as you say , he knew the race was over , the horse jumped like a stag all the way , so no excuses there ...ITS either a monumental blunder of a ride , if it was not busy , keep it out the back and let it run on late..They will get a right jump in the weights even now having won nothing ....If i'd backed it i could see were the , IT WAS PULLED , NOTION WOULD COME FROM...Strange ride to say the least....
A burst blood vessel is a burst blood vessel, punchestown. Apparantly the horse was gushing blood from both nostrils. Fairly open and shut on that front, but what that has to do with the ride is another matter.
Had she burst blood vessels before?
She didnt run the last three furlongs like a burster,normally when a horse bursts they go out like a light,she stormed home.
She didnt run the last three furlongs like a burster,normally when a horse bursts they go out like a light,she stormed home.
I thought the same, wildman. However, she would have had blood swilling around in her lungs, which apparantly is like a drowning sensation, and probably would have felt wrong underneath him, thus his unwillingness to ride her out. That would have been his defence, whether you believe it or not is up to yourself.
The way it ran on was interesting , she certainly didn't look to be feeling anything , Having said that , if she did burst , she of course would have felt something ..All the more reason for thinking she was well up to winning this ...I suppose one could call it a unscrupulous ride in any other circumstance.....
WILDMANFROMBORNEO , it must have impacted hugely on you , as a defender of jockeys i was amazed to see this heading with your name along side....
I had no bet,I will always be a defender of jockeys but this to me was a deliberate action and a wrong one.
I understand fully were you're coming from on this , no need to have had a bet to be upset , they will find it hard to get on after this...
I have been watching racing for the past 40 years and that's the first horse I have ever seen run on like a train having burst a blood vessel. Something just not right. In my opinion Cash pulled the head off the horse.
its amazing that in 2013 you can pull a horse and its ok.
just looked at it..it was as bad as i ever have seen..worse than the byrnes one a few yrs back in cork.it was so bad it was laughable.it had to be one bad race!
just watching the finishes of all todays races from abroad, I was shocked by the ride. like you, gotchee, never ever have I seen a bleeder power to the line. the blood must have been as a result of the strangle.
Serious step up on anything done before,especially when you consider (as anyone with half a brain would have to) she was a complete non jigger. Nice few bob for the winner, may have been a case of more than just the Abolitionist connections having a cut.
I watched the race later on as I couldn't watch it live and I just clicked on the "watch finish" on ATR,I had a small bet on the winner (shameless after timing) and I had tunnel vision tbh and didn't catch it first time to be perfectly honest but it was a very close runner up alright to the famous Coolmore Brian Boru (Pro-Am) INH Flat Race back in 2005 in which trainer Charles Byrnes saddled the first two home but not exactly as maybe it should have been.
In a nutshell lads Barry Cash is like a demented mole in a finish normally but was knitting the reins this evening and it doesn't sit well with me as like The Gotchee I have 40 years+ watching the game and that was a pi$$ pull of the heighest order.
In a nutshell lads Barry Cash is like a demented mole in a finish normally but was knitting the reins this evening and it doesn't sit well with me as like The Gotchee I have 40 years+ watching the game and that was a pi$$ pull of the heighest order.
the trainer must be totally useless...........imagine you have a horse who is gonna win with a tonne in hand and is 25/1 and you cant work it out.........go ahead so and get it handicapped......you wont be getting 25/1 now
but it was a very close runner up alright to the famous Coolmore Brian Boru (Pro-Am) INH Flat Race back in 2005 in which trainer Charles Byrnes saddled the first two home but not exactly as maybe it should have been.
Exactly the thought that came into my mind!
There is no defending this ride, he tried to drop it out turnin in but could nt hold it, looks like he eve thought about fallin off at the last to my eye too! And the effort from the last to the line is of a man that knows he is gonna ruin a plot. As for them sayin it burst, never heard such a load of old bollox, horse was full of runnin at the line and obv had no major issue!
Makes u wonder what the point of having stewards on course is, waste of money
Exactly the thought that came into my mind!
There is no defending this ride, he tried to drop it out turnin in but could nt hold it, looks like he eve thought about fallin off at the last to my eye too! And the effort from the last to the line is of a man that knows he is gonna ruin a plot. As for them sayin it burst, never heard such a load of old bollox, horse was full of runnin at the line and obv had no major issue!
Makes u wonder what the point of having stewards on course is, waste of money
tracked leaders on outer and 5th halfway, 3rd 2 out but ridden and no impression early straight, went 2nd and drifted right under pressure run-in, hung in behind winner and switched left close home, kept on
And as for the in running comments - talk about not wanting to rock the ship!
And as for the in running comments - talk about not wanting to rock the ship!
Thats what is wrong BJG, total gravy train conformity, hung in behind leader a kop out if ever you read it,
An inexcusable ride,can,t believe there is no action taken despite the blood vessel excuse, not seen anything so blatant for a long time. A video nasty of Irish racing.
was involved in a handicapper some time ago and the trainer was pulled in after a very eye-catching run that left me very annoyed as the trainer had given no inkling that he had much hope for the beast. it took three very irate calls over the tannoy before he eventually was located and he passed me, smiling, say "its ok, the horse is lame".
makes you wonder about this bursting business too.
makes you wonder about this bursting business too.
"Horses can't talk" is this the biggest fail safe of all time?, basically fill the stewards up with any old baloney and because horses can't talk you can't really disprove the baloney.
And when a regulatory body is in bed with the participants makes life an awful lot easier anyway.
And when a regulatory body is in bed with the participants makes life an awful lot easier anyway.
Try googling the who's who of HRI and try and find one that doesn't own a stud farm jr?.
HRI only take care of prize money and fixtures...
....do you mean the Turf club?
....do you mean the Turf club?
C'mon jr you're not that naive in fact I know your not, the Turf Club might have individual status, but only in name only if HRI says jump the Turf club says how high, anyway look at the Turf Clubs honorary members a who's who of stud farms?.
Not sure what you're getting at tbh Silver....where did you get this startling info from!..... The Turf and HRI are two completely different bodies with different roles within racing.
Anybody with a broodmare is going to use Coolmore at some stage...why wouldn't they...they don't just cater for the rich you know.....
Anybody with a broodmare is going to use Coolmore at some stage...why wouldn't they...they don't just cater for the rich you know.....
If they're 2 completely different bodies then why do they keep chopping and changing personnel?.
Kavanagh was a former head of the Turf Club.
[i]Five of the Stewards represent the Turf Club and I.N.H.S. Committee on the board of Horse Racing Ireland, the semi-state body responsible for the administration, financing and development of Irish Racing.[/
How high?
Kavanagh was a former head of the Turf Club.
[i]Five of the Stewards represent the Turf Club and I.N.H.S. Committee on the board of Horse Racing Ireland, the semi-state body responsible for the administration, financing and development of Irish Racing.[/
How high?
'Horse Racing Ireland, the semi-state body responsible for the administration, financing and development of Irish Racing'
There you go Silver....nothing whatsoever to do with the rules of racing.......fwiw if the truth was told HRI would rather have no one from the Turf Club looking over their shoulder.....not exactly bosom buddies imo.
There you go Silver....nothing whatsoever to do with the rules of racing.......fwiw if the truth was told HRI would rather have no one from the Turf Club looking over their shoulder.....not exactly bosom buddies imo.
Blake’s Blog: Irish Stewards Need To Be More Ruthless
It is a sad reality that Irish racing does not have the best of reputations in terms of integrity as far as Joe Public is concerned. One only has to walk around a racecourse with ears open or read the racing forums on the internet to hear/read that many people do not have full confidence in the policing of our sport.
As a professional that spends his days studying Irish racing in great detail, I am happy to stand up to any naysayers and defend our sport, as the vast majority of it, particularly on the Flat, is as straight up as anywhere in Europe.
However, inevitably there will be occasions that someone takes a liberty on the racecourse. To be fair to the stewards, they tend to pick up on the majority of them and hold an inquiry, but on occasion, the results of those inquiries can prove very frustrating.
In the recent past, there have been a few occasions where horses have been give extremely “eye-catching” rides. Personally, I will always look at every possible angle to find an innocent reason for what occurred, as there almost always is a reasonable explanation if one is prepared to look for it, but on a few occasions, I found it almost impossible to make any conclusion other than the rules had been broken.
One expects such blatant instances to result in bans for all concerned and they often do, but in a handful of cases, the stewards have decided not to take action, seemingly due to post-race reports from the veterinary surgeon which reveal that the horse in question had something physically wrong with it after the race, for example lameness, coughing or having burst a blood vessel.
While I would love to discuss the individual cases here, the reader must understand that from a legal perspective, once the stewards have opted not to take any action, it very much restricts what can be written about those cases.
However, on a general point, in my opinion if the horse in question is still finishing so strongly under minimum pressure from the saddle to the extent that it would almost certainly have won the race granted any sort of meaningful assistance, even allowing for what the veterinary surgeon has subsequently found, there are still grounds to conclude that the rules have been broken.
I am fiercely proud of our sport, but instances such as the above are not easy to reasonably defend. Perception is everything and if Irish racing is to shake off its largely unfair reputation of questionable integrity, the stewards are going to have to be more ruthless in their policing of the sport.
http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/article.php?id=3278&cid=5
It is a sad reality that Irish racing does not have the best of reputations in terms of integrity as far as Joe Public is concerned. One only has to walk around a racecourse with ears open or read the racing forums on the internet to hear/read that many people do not have full confidence in the policing of our sport.
As a professional that spends his days studying Irish racing in great detail, I am happy to stand up to any naysayers and defend our sport, as the vast majority of it, particularly on the Flat, is as straight up as anywhere in Europe.
However, inevitably there will be occasions that someone takes a liberty on the racecourse. To be fair to the stewards, they tend to pick up on the majority of them and hold an inquiry, but on occasion, the results of those inquiries can prove very frustrating.
In the recent past, there have been a few occasions where horses have been give extremely “eye-catching” rides. Personally, I will always look at every possible angle to find an innocent reason for what occurred, as there almost always is a reasonable explanation if one is prepared to look for it, but on a few occasions, I found it almost impossible to make any conclusion other than the rules had been broken.
One expects such blatant instances to result in bans for all concerned and they often do, but in a handful of cases, the stewards have decided not to take action, seemingly due to post-race reports from the veterinary surgeon which reveal that the horse in question had something physically wrong with it after the race, for example lameness, coughing or having burst a blood vessel.
While I would love to discuss the individual cases here, the reader must understand that from a legal perspective, once the stewards have opted not to take any action, it very much restricts what can be written about those cases.
However, on a general point, in my opinion if the horse in question is still finishing so strongly under minimum pressure from the saddle to the extent that it would almost certainly have won the race granted any sort of meaningful assistance, even allowing for what the veterinary surgeon has subsequently found, there are still grounds to conclude that the rules have been broken.
I am fiercely proud of our sport, but instances such as the above are not easy to reasonably defend. Perception is everything and if Irish racing is to shake off its largely unfair reputation of questionable integrity, the stewards are going to have to be more ruthless in their policing of the sport.
http://www.theirishfield.ie/site/article.php?id=3278&cid=5
He as much as accuses by inference in that blog that the horse was not ridden to get the best possible etc etc,The Real Article @ Tipp should be included in the "Hall Of Shame" with the above.
Well played, he can do no more than that and we all know what event specifically brought on the article. Those involved should be embarassed.
if jr wants to believe that the Turf Club and HRI are totally different bodies naivety takes a front seat?
I'll take naivety ahead of paranoia any day......
It's not my opinion btw Silver......it is an indisputable fact.
It's not my opinion btw Silver......it is an indisputable fact.
How can you ever have any faith in the regulatory process when such a blatant stopping job goes un-noticed, noticed by everyone else bar the stewards?, if this horse was 6/4 rather than 25/1 this forum would be in meltdown.
Cork 3.50 Monday.
Up 7lbs for not winning, Andrew McNamara booked
Up 7lbs for not winning, Andrew McNamara booked
having ridden all 7 starts over hurdles and fences, Cash been left at home .... well at least until 4.50
5 or 6/1? Connections can only dream of the 25/1 could have cleaned up with last time
Well I will make do with 6/1
What kind of ground can we expect in Cork tomorrow?
What kind of ground can we expect in Cork tomorrow?
She goes up 7lb for bursting a blood vessel,surely thats a first?
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