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Thought I would get a thread up on this. Looking at the Derry v Down game at the moment but may as well put up some conflicting views on the Kildare v Offaly game.
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rocket you should offer your services to the gaa.im sure the high ranking officials you are friendly with in the gaels club house will put you in touch with them.your concern will touch them im sure.
Got matched at 1.4 just before the match for almost 2 grand, someone made a bubu, only got 40 of the lay.
Decent game. Could of been a few goals. Small bet on Derry to net again @6/4 with Lads.
What was that market Goalhanger?
What was that market Goalhanger?
Match odds market, had my trade and Down getting the few early ones helped. Score either way so not bad for 20 seconds!!
benny playing good but not too intrested in scoring sadly for over 1.5 bettors including myself!!
Goals at wrong end!! Down No 9 got some fine scores, one in the first half the pick for me
Down played well second half . Could have been a cricket score for a while in middle of second half . Derry must be very disappointed , in control last 20 minutes of first half , 4 points ahead of a Down team not looking great , wee James must have been good at half time .
But Down wont be able to play like this against Donegal .
But Down wont be able to play like this against Donegal .
down looked good at times.very open game.if you were told before the game that benny coulter wouldnt even have one shot a goal?he hadnt!!
Clare and Waterford, possibly the worst standard of hurling seen in a Munster Championship match in 20 odd years.
The pain was thanks entirely to the ref, the question for the GAA is how can they now help Galway to win their opening game. 
I'm going to defend the hurling here lads i think you're being very unfair, it was competitive stuff, Waterford poor enough. There has not been a good championship game in football so far this year and i would not hold my breath about getting one either looking at the past number of years. While in the hurling the good games are top class stuff.
Very unfair comments about Hurling esp when you take into consideration GAA football that produces 1 or 2 games a year. Just take a look at the Hurling final from last year Kaavie and compare it to the football one, or even look at both championships from the past few summer, when was the last time the football was better than the hurling ! I love hurling and i will defend to the core but i believe i'm 100% right here.
I thought the Down Derry game was very entertaining, both sides just said to hell with it and attacked?.
a serious 15 min 2nd half spell from down,excellent game of football and scores from play that wont be equaled this year,kavvie hard to believe down had 8 scorers from play in the game and coulter not in that 8......had chances in first half but opted to pass......played well all the same........although very deep at times.....
The miskick by the Derry player was shocking, a tap in. Down won't trouble Donegal imo.
rocket on paper no........after 55mins of last years ulster final down were putting it upto donegal before donegal upped the ante and pulled away,i expect down maybe to close the gap but realistically havent the gameplan to overturn last years defecit......but as we all know shocks are possible,donegal havent let complacency slip into their game over the last 18months but they are their to be shot at......make no mistakes about it that a down team playing with such confidence as that 2nd half today are a dangerous animal......and deserve upmost respect imo.....
down wont be afraid of donegal.its set up for them.underdogs and they love that role.donegal got in racing parlance, the run of the race against tyrone.two softish goals.shocking wides from tyrone,a peno which could have been given,stephen o neill quiet and never moved out the field.final score flattered donegal big time.
Will you stop, sometimes i wonder have you ever kicked a ball before. Donegal stepped it up when they wanted to and do you think O'Neill had a quiet day by choice? They done a serious job on him. I reckon yourself and gant are committee men behind it all.
O'Neill has been 'markable' for a while. I agree that people underestimating Donegal.
im not underestimating them in any way.a formidable team.but a depleted kerry were very unlucky not to draw with them last year.and if the mayo corner back didnt drop an uncontested ball from his hands resulting in donegals second goal the match would have taken on a different complexion.they are worthy all ire champs and might win it again but they arnt invincible by any means.
More I think about it I think I have it between those two (Kerry/Donegal) Kavvie, I think Down are going to get absolutely ripped to shreds by Donegal tbh. Tyrone are over hyped to me and wouldn't get as close to Donegal if they met again. Not sure what to make of Derry (I never am), but I'm pretty sure there isn't a lot of depth in Ulster this year. A lot of poor teams around like Cavan and Armagh. Possible Donegal won't know where they are till quarter final, but they will improve through the year as McGuinness has gone on record as saying they didn't cut them to bits in training in the spring. Formidable is right!!
I kick myself I didn't take the 12's when Brolly tipped em last Summer.
i done worse.i had a good cut off them at 10s to win ulster the first yr.and went off them last year.to my cost.i bkd mayo this yr at 11s and tipp at s in the hurling
Thought the championship does not start until August ? . What happens before that is complete nonsense is it not ?
The Tipp hurlers have cost me a right few quid these last few years. Clare had a lot of people sweating at half time on Sunday, but that was handy for them in the end, didn't see it, but heard the standard wasn't great, but from what I know of Clare, they have a great mix of skill and pace. they seem very fit as well, some of their players would remind me a bit of the young Tipp lads in 2010.
division 1 of the League in some cases has more clues than the provincial championship Jimeen. They're becoming more and more of an irrelevancy there for the small counties to maybe get a bit of silverware in places like Connaught or if the Dubs have an off day in Leinster. (They're due one)
division 1 of the League in some cases has more clues than the provincial championship Jimeen. They're becoming more and more of an irrelevancy there for the small counties to maybe get a bit of silverware in places like Connaught or if the Dubs have an off day in Leinster. (They're due one)
Neill d,the hurling as far as i can see starts at the semi final stage,and the football a round earlier,no match in either code that takes place before those 2 stages will have any bearing whatsoever on who wins in September. That is the simple facts of the situation.
You're right really I suppose, the likes of Cork have taken NFL seriously most years (except for this)due to lack of games in Munster and have probably suffered for it. They've peaked too soon a few times and could have won more they'll feel. serious teams train for August.
agree with jimeen totally.tony considine was giving out about the 12k who attended the waterford clare game.it has taken people a few years to realise that hurling indeed only starts in august.clare and waterford will be hurling then.it was really a meaningless match.waterford won lots of munsters but no all ireland so its like winning a classic trial and finishing down the field in the derby.
That Waterford team is the worst they have had for 20 years, they were awful. Clare were not much better but will improve. Waterford are atrocious and they will be in the doldrums for a good period for my money.
Waterford really are at nothing at the moment, they were wired for the league and acquitted themselves well. Mullane (near the peak of his powers) leaving was a little like Ruby leaving Paul Nicholls. Great player who played with other great players and didn't rate the firepower/support anymore.
you could almost name the last 6 in the hurling now..kk tipp galway clare dublin and cork or waterford.people are copping on to it.ger loughnanne said it a few yr ago.hurling starts in august.
I was shown that article by Mr. Considene earlier tonight, and I really could not believe he would write in such a bitter tone, and be so critical of the hurling fans of these two counties. Obviously he hasn't been to Waterford in recent times. No work. No money.This LPT imposed through revenue, by Ml. Noonan, now sits on peoples credit cards, and in most situations people do not have the money to pay this. But with the strong threats made by Revenue people have to try to meet this unjust tax, somehow. So other things suffer, so perhaps Mr. Considene should be much more aware of peoples circumstances. People just dont have the money to travel to these games anymore. Wake up Tony, and be aware that Michael Noonan turned the Revenue on the decent law-abiding people of Ireland. This must not be forgotten. Also the GAA could and must reduce prices.
people would go if the games were knock out.there would be 30000 there yesterday.considine seems to have tunnel vision re the great munster championship.wake up and smell the coffee tony.it means very little any more.the only thing is the all ireland.
Nervous last 20 mins if they haven't traded out for a loss
Liquidity is now non existent for in running gaa matches
Liquidity is now non existent for in running gaa matches
Ah it's a joke,neither team can score.Lee Chen has some speed,hope Wexford win
Wexford were far more up for it and should have won.They do talk pure shy te on RTE. Dublin were awful in thurles and awful today. Joey scored all from frees, otherwise they'd be fcuked..
Dublin cant catch a ball bar Keaney to save their life. Hence they struggle for good posession..
Dublin cant catch a ball bar Keaney to save their life. Hence they struggle for good posession..
pecker Wexford were not much better, it was awful stuff, if the likes of Kilkenny had got a hold of either team tonight the score could've been embarrassing, things can only get better??
No not much....i said much more up for it....
Neither of them will get near Kilkenny off course, but its Dublin who are supposed to be way ahead of Wexford and clearly they are not.
Daly 'we lost our shape' thats a different game fella.
Stop training with lead weights and start practice on skills, especially catching, and not always putting up 10-15 wides.
Neither of them will get near Kilkenny off course, but its Dublin who are supposed to be way ahead of Wexford and clearly they are not.
Daly 'we lost our shape' thats a different game fella.
Stop training with lead weights and start practice on skills, especially catching, and not always putting up 10-15 wides.
god quality hurling is at an all time low.
we had 2 teams tonight who between them had perhaps up to 150+ sessions between them in the calendar year, and on a dry windless evening in ideal conditions, between them had the sum total of 3 shots for goal, 2 were scored, chins saved. the dubs one shot on goal in the 70th minute, against a team with a rookie in goal. if you were talking about watertight defences, there might be a case for point taking, neither backline are made up of top defenders. goals not only win matches in hurling, they lift a team psychologically. is the failure to go for the jugular and shoot for goal, down to negative low risk coaching, or a fear factor on the part of players?. at least Kilkenny will be testing the net rigging tomorrow, that why they are a cut above.
we had 2 teams tonight who between them had perhaps up to 150+ sessions between them in the calendar year, and on a dry windless evening in ideal conditions, between them had the sum total of 3 shots for goal, 2 were scored, chins saved. the dubs one shot on goal in the 70th minute, against a team with a rookie in goal. if you were talking about watertight defences, there might be a case for point taking, neither backline are made up of top defenders. goals not only win matches in hurling, they lift a team psychologically. is the failure to go for the jugular and shoot for goal, down to negative low risk coaching, or a fear factor on the part of players?. at least Kilkenny will be testing the net rigging tomorrow, that why they are a cut above.
The opening line is spot on keen...
Coaches need to stop looking at themselves in the mirror.
Coaches need to stop looking at themselves in the mirror.
would you back kk - 10 pts keen?dpouble with monaghan hcap 3/1
I am leaving those 2 games alone, one of the obvious handicap games is due to bomb, and the 2 away teams have to cover in those fixtures.
I think louth and wexford football are going in opposite directions, and think louth could rack up another big win.
I will be doing the menu from -1 to -6 in doubles with Denmark (-1, 10/11) who will tonk Armenia( a team mentally on hols) this Tuesday night.
I think louth and wexford football are going in opposite directions, and think louth could rack up another big win.
I will be doing the menu from -1 to -6 in doubles with Denmark (-1, 10/11) who will tonk Armenia( a team mentally on hols) this Tuesday night.
Did not see any hurling so far this weekend , but the reality about hurling is that there are only between 4 and 8 counties with a decent squad of players . And it has been thus more or less since I can remember . Wexford were the big deal in the fifties , Rackards et al , but Kilkenny , Tipp , Cork and Galway have been the teams of the last 20 years or so , the Cats being possibly the best team ever .
Unfortunately the skill level needed to aspire to top performance is beyond most counties . Had a discussion tonight with a friend who has been reading a book called "bounce" or equivalent , its about training and developing sporting skills in youngsters apparently , must look it up , it seems interesting . I went to a school which was pre-eminent locally in hurling , but the hurlers all came from parishes where they played the game as soon as they could wield a hurl , all the school had to do was to pick the team and organise them . Teaching them skills was not actually needed , but they were a limited team resource wise , and little competition for places came from us non hurlers . Most of the hurlers were not great at football , which always left me scratching my head , but they weren't interested I suppose .
Some of the hurling matches of the last 10 years or so have been rivetting , great skill levels , great physical commitment , but its a bit like the English Premiership , the top teams are way better than the rest and results prove it season in and season out . No answer , unless the players all get into a player pool and get allocated to counties by draw . Like a "hat " competition in golf . Wont happen !
Unfortunately the skill level needed to aspire to top performance is beyond most counties . Had a discussion tonight with a friend who has been reading a book called "bounce" or equivalent , its about training and developing sporting skills in youngsters apparently , must look it up , it seems interesting . I went to a school which was pre-eminent locally in hurling , but the hurlers all came from parishes where they played the game as soon as they could wield a hurl , all the school had to do was to pick the team and organise them . Teaching them skills was not actually needed , but they were a limited team resource wise , and little competition for places came from us non hurlers . Most of the hurlers were not great at football , which always left me scratching my head , but they weren't interested I suppose .
Some of the hurling matches of the last 10 years or so have been rivetting , great skill levels , great physical commitment , but its a bit like the English Premiership , the top teams are way better than the rest and results prove it season in and season out . No answer , unless the players all get into a player pool and get allocated to counties by draw . Like a "hat " competition in golf . Wont happen !
Most counties have hurling but only 5 or 6 play it at a very high standard and this is down to tradition and breeding.
Football is spread out more evenly around the country and it seems the county who puts in the biggest graft wins it.
Hurling is tradition and breeding. Football is pure graft.
Rugby is based around the elite schools but the tide is turning. Rugby in the Munster area seems to have an open door and not as stiff as other areas.
Soccer is probably the easiest of all the games to play but not taken that seriously. Mainly Dublin based and the lads who don't make it in Dublin usually head to Sligo, Drogheda, Dundalk etc. to ply their trade. With 7 or 8 divisions in the UK playing at a higher standard it's always going to be difficult.
Football is spread out more evenly around the country and it seems the county who puts in the biggest graft wins it.
Hurling is tradition and breeding. Football is pure graft.
Rugby is based around the elite schools but the tide is turning. Rugby in the Munster area seems to have an open door and not as stiff as other areas.
Soccer is probably the easiest of all the games to play but not taken that seriously. Mainly Dublin based and the lads who don't make it in Dublin usually head to Sligo, Drogheda, Dundalk etc. to ply their trade. With 7 or 8 divisions in the UK playing at a higher standard it's always going to be difficult.
Soccer not taken that serious? I'll severely dispute that gant, I think there is something like 7 or 8 soccer teams in Newbridge alone, and only 2 Gaa Teams, yes the ga teams have different levels and underage but a lot of these soccer teams have 3 or 4 teams, Soccer is by far the most played game in the country by a country mile.
Soccer is the most played sport as people from all codes play it. Where do the high achievers in Newbridge go?.
Well I presume gant if they're above average the scouts will usually snap them up.
On a different note big win for Birmingham yesterday AKA Warickshire winning the Lory Meagher cup beating Longford, Fermanagh & Leitrim in the process....London won Christy ring cup last year...London beating Sligo in football...GAA doing ok out of all this emigration in England.
i was a sent a bit out-of-the-way to a rural National school in an area where g.football is strong, but the game me and the lads always played at break-times was soccer. the other lads would have had Fathers on the parish g.football team, but that didnt make them want to play it when they were at school, soccer was the game for break-times. dont remember playing g.f with them once, except out of school in a tournament against other local schools
even though these lads were mad into english teams and played so much soccer during school hours, none to my knowledge ever joined a soccer team. they might play the odd 5 a-side game but any of them still involved in sport, its with the parish g.f team
even though these lads were mad into english teams and played so much soccer during school hours, none to my knowledge ever joined a soccer team. they might play the odd 5 a-side game but any of them still involved in sport, its with the parish g.f team
Silvergreaser........Do the powers that be take it serious?. A team from Meath won the all Ireland primary schools soccer final at the Aviva. They had to send DVD's out to get a bit of recognition for the lads and Dundee Utd and Celtic invited them over for trials.
The coach plays hurling for Meath as was shocked that the FAI had nothing in place to take these young talented lads forward. If they don't make it across the water will they be lost to soccer.
The coach plays hurling for Meath as was shocked that the FAI had nothing in place to take these young talented lads forward. If they don't make it across the water will they be lost to soccer.
FREDDIEK.....But them 5 a side lads make up the figures of those who play soccer. We all played soccer at lunch break as it's a simple game and all levels of ability can join in.....no ref, no rules and next goal wins....magic stuff.
Down our way it was Soccer in the winter and GAA in the summer..........Would the local soccer teams be able to field teams if they played soccer in the summer months?.
Down our way it was Soccer in the winter and GAA in the summer..........Would the local soccer teams be able to field teams if they played soccer in the summer months?.
Anyone any opinions on todays matchs...wexford to beat Louth?
I'm heading up timberman and from what I have been hearing Flynn , Molloy and Waters could be doubtful for us which are probably our 3 most important players. O'Brien has at least picked a team on paper which looks like we will play at least one extra defender ( Jason Ryan in his 5 years never once tried to solve our defensive frailties ) and if 2/3 mentioned above are fit enough to start we should be close enough.
Louth really fancy themselves and I reckon they will win........Tickets are like gold dust.
Alot of soccer lads end up dropping it for another sport as they know they have little chance of recognition.
I played underage with a top amateur club but jacked it in favour of Minor county hurling....way back in time....
Hurling is something that needs teaching from a young age.It needs love and attention to detail before you can become skilled in anyway.
Gaelic football is a rubbish sport(these days). Any child could learn to be adequate at it in no time.
The skill level in soccer is without doubt higher.
Hurling is the most skillfull by far, hence it is passed on through tradition by people who love and have played the game themselves.
I do wish some of these coaches would concentrate on the skills as it is those that make the game. Strenght can be devloped alot easier but is less important.
I also wish these same coaches(we all know who they are)would stop talking boll ox about tactics in hurling.
Beat your man,win the ball,clear it,or stick it over.
It's a simple but beautifull game when played as it should.
I played underage with a top amateur club but jacked it in favour of Minor county hurling....way back in time....
Hurling is something that needs teaching from a young age.It needs love and attention to detail before you can become skilled in anyway.
Gaelic football is a rubbish sport(these days). Any child could learn to be adequate at it in no time.
The skill level in soccer is without doubt higher.
Hurling is the most skillfull by far, hence it is passed on through tradition by people who love and have played the game themselves.
I do wish some of these coaches would concentrate on the skills as it is those that make the game. Strenght can be devloped alot easier but is less important.
I also wish these same coaches(we all know who they are)would stop talking boll ox about tactics in hurling.
Beat your man,win the ball,clear it,or stick it over.
It's a simple but beautifull game when played as it should.
What a goal!!Fair dues to Offaly for trying to make a game of it.Going to be a lot of space in second half with the heat tho.
Yup, shoutin em on, they are playin v well thus far! Long ball payin dividends
Yah Offaly giving it a go, but who the hell is this referee ?, having an absolute shocker, and not seen him before this game. This I find a huge problem with a having a decent bet on GAA matches, [b]the referee[/b, 
always about the ref., and this guy seems hellbint on remaining on Cody's Christmas card list...........the GAA are very short on top class referees..........
always about the ref., and this guy seems hellbint on remaining on Cody's Christmas card list...........the GAA are very short on top class referees..........
Kilkenny look short of a gallop or two in first half . Offaly have a chance ( slim ) , but only if they finish with 15 men .
Great post Peckerdunne and spot on. Problem with alot of sport now adays is a concentration on players getting bulked up and being physical rather than technical training
What was the spread around 10 points?I'd say KK could still beat it,1.1 was the best they went to on here for a grand.
Offaly are capable of causing a minor surprise in qualifiers.(Have more hurling than both teams last night anyway)
Offaly are capable of causing a minor surprise in qualifiers.(Have more hurling than both teams last night anyway)
Decent display from Offaly, did as well as they could and the goals kept it pretty competitive for most of the game.
happy enough with that offaly display.too many frees conceded and too many wides.but we were competitive for most of it..roll on the qualifiers.maybe capable of pulling off a shock ..maybe..
a good workout for the cats,they will be happy with that.how shane dooley stayed on the pitch,i will never know,he was a passenger.....the offaly lads will head to the bridge hse now and get hammered!make a nuisance of themselves around the town in the a.m.thats their idea of what the championship is all about.they will do fck all in the qualifiers.
Good start for Limerick,Camera work on TV3 is shocking-Limited Resources I suppose
Pull on the ball Ryan you fking idiot. Sitter of a goal chance there. 
Handicap was around 5.
Well done Limerick, thoroughly deserved.
Well done Limerick, thoroughly deserved.
Brilliant, fantastic young players there, hope this is the start of something!! Young players as good as anywhere in the country.
Limerick being Limerick, had to wait til final whistle but they won that really well.
Ok everyone so I'm going to 'aftertme' the scourge of the forum ie aftertiming. Well here goes imho Louth 4/6 to beat any team is a joke. Should never happen. I'm surprised that Keen leader was so strong on Louth. Surely the wee County is hard hit by the scourge of immigration, unlike Wexford where almost the whole County is employed at this time picking gorgeous strawberries. The halo slips a little more from the great KL. Probably a bit easier naming 1/7 shots to qualify in a song contest, like Yourownovision, or the Cowll Egg Factor..... oops but they can get turned over too i.e 1/7 shots....................
was never in real danger timberman, our panel is very small but all 3 injury doubts I mentioned started , wexford football never gets credit , people forget they have only failed twice in the last ten years to reach the leinster semis and have gave the dubs a decent run a couple of times , we slipped in under the radar today given louths demolition of laois , and ffs in all fairness laois wouldn't kick spuds to ducks , they are a joke!
More recently Wexford footballers have been good to watch , playing attractive stylish football as I recall , although have not seen a lot of them recently , TV coverage up here tends to concentrate the mind on the Ulster championship , plus the traditional "big boys" come play off times .
Wildman has started a seperate thread on the Wexford footballers , did not see the match myself yesterday , so dependent on press reportage as to whether Wexford were good or Louth bad , or whatever . Need a few games though before anyone can start dreaming big , but where there is life there is hope !
Wildman has started a seperate thread on the Wexford footballers , did not see the match myself yesterday , so dependent on press reportage as to whether Wexford were good or Louth bad , or whatever . Need a few games though before anyone can start dreaming big , but where there is life there is hope !
Cheers richters, thanks for letting us know, anymore random thoughts?
rocket read the rest of the thread and dont be showing your ignorance.denmark were given as a bet.
denmark 3 down now rich.i had a tenner on denmark-4 at 22/1..ill hardly collect?!?
i done it just in case...yea he is.id still listen to him before a lot though.
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"Alot of soccer lads end up dropping it for another sport as they know they have little chance of recognition.
I played underage with a top amateur club but jacked it in favour of Minor county hurling....way back in time....
Hurling is something that needs teaching from a young age.It needs love and attention to detail before you can become skilled in anyway.
Gaelic football is a rubbish sport(these days). Any child could learn to be adequate at it in no time.
The skill level in soccer is without doubt higher.
Hurling is the most skillfull by far, hence it is passed on through tradition by people who love and have played the game themselves.
I do wish some of these coaches would concentrate on the skills as it is those that make the game. Strenght can be devloped alot easier but is less important.
I also wish these same coaches(we all know who they are)would stop talking boll ox about tactics in hurling.
Beat your man,win the ball,clear it,or stick it over.
It's a simple but beautifull game when played as it should."
I usually tippy toe around some of the things you said for fear of insulting people's feelings, i enjoy watching it and enjoyed playing it GAA football, but the amount of times i seen lads pick up GAA football in a few weeks because they were fit is unreal totally agree no skill at all in it. I love Hurling, it's by a mile the better game of the 2 main GAA sports.
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"Alot of soccer lads end up dropping it for another sport as they know they have little chance of recognition.
I played underage with a top amateur club but jacked it in favour of Minor county hurling....way back in time....
Hurling is something that needs teaching from a young age.It needs love and attention to detail before you can become skilled in anyway.
Gaelic football is a rubbish sport(these days). Any child could learn to be adequate at it in no time.
The skill level in soccer is without doubt higher.
Hurling is the most skillfull by far, hence it is passed on through tradition by people who love and have played the game themselves.
I do wish some of these coaches would concentrate on the skills as it is those that make the game. Strenght can be devloped alot easier but is less important.
I also wish these same coaches(we all know who they are)would stop talking boll ox about tactics in hurling.
Beat your man,win the ball,clear it,or stick it over.
It's a simple but beautifull game when played as it should."
I usually tippy toe around some of the things you said for fear of insulting people's feelings, i enjoy watching it and enjoyed playing it GAA football, but the amount of times i seen lads pick up GAA football in a few weeks because they were fit is unreal totally agree no skill at all in it. I love Hurling, it's by a mile the better game of the 2 main GAA sports.
Shocking bet, i still argue that if Swindon had not imploded that Bournemouth bet would have been toast much earlier in the season.
Lack of competition from other sports. Rocketfingers........It's amazing what a fit person can do.
"The skill level in soccer is without doubt higher" . Presumably
Denmark 0 Armenia 4
Denmark -1 surely the worst tip of the year.
Denmark -1 surely the worst tip of the year.
No, richters tipped up New York because he met a guy in a toilet from Leitrim who said he was worried.
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