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Must say i turned over and never even considered the winner could get thrown out and cant imagine there was too many people who thought it would!
Yes the jockey deserved a ban for careless riding but on what planet does a horse that wins by 8 1/2l get DQd for a barge 2f out? Maybe the jockey was naive in admitting dangerous riding instead of careless riding and no doubt a more experienced rider would not have admitted it??
If it was a WPM horse that had barged thru to win would the horse have been DQ'd? No chance
Best horse in the race clearly won, jockey should have been fined and banned and that should have been that
Would be nice to see some consistency in decisions but alas seems to be different rules week in week out depending on whether it is a big trainers horse that is affected or commits the offence.
Yes the jockey deserved a ban for careless riding but on what planet does a horse that wins by 8 1/2l get DQd for a barge 2f out? Maybe the jockey was naive in admitting dangerous riding instead of careless riding and no doubt a more experienced rider would not have admitted it??
If it was a WPM horse that had barged thru to win would the horse have been DQ'd? No chance
Best horse in the race clearly won, jockey should have been fined and banned and that should have been that
Would be nice to see some consistency in decisions but alas seems to be different rules week in week out depending on whether it is a big trainers horse that is affected or commits the offence.
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Nuts.
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do bookies have to pay on both 1st past the post and walsh horse
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See Sligo thread . Rules in Ireland are fairer than in England in my opinion , more conducive to not bringing racing into disrepute . Anything which endangers life or limb out there on a tough arena has to be stamped out . Tough on connections , but no sympathy for jockey . You could argue that he should have got a month off , but horse allowed to keep race , but the rules are that he had to get scrubbed . Horse didn't deserve to be scrubbed per se , other than in relation to the jockey part of the "team " .
Only consolation for Seskinanes connections is that they have a nice horse , which will always beat the 2 behind tonight . |
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worst ever.. and i backed the eventual winner so it was a good turn around for me..but if i was a bookie standing in sligo tonight when the result was called i would of taken down the joint and flung the gear thru the stewards window...
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Up there with the worst alright,the was another one at Leopardstown a few years back,winner (Weld horse) bashed the runner up (Plantation Stud horse)a couple of times up the straight and was allowed keep the race.
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I laid the Mullins fav for obvious reasons and backed the winner, and nothing in the numerous replays threatened the serenity of collecting, sure the kid barged through, but man we saw that before, so Sligo Race Committee you had hundreds of well informed racegoers who will never attend, or be very reluctant to attend your track again, amateur night.
Anyway after the recent refurbishment at Sligo it had the chance to establish itself, aw well dogs can only bark. |
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Fair post Kelly and accept your points,i,d have a fair bit of sympathy though,a split second error of judgement from him,haven,t seen a head on of the bend , maybe their was a possibility of a gap there at some stage and it closed, and then maybe not,but without a shadow of a doubt he wouldn,t intentionally cause harm to either man or animal. The fact On His Own undeservedly got the race isn,t right either,a ban and fine is correct imo as well.
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Only saw the race as it happened on ATR , pa . At the time I thought , "what the f is Derek Fox doing when he has a lot of horse under him ( noticed Seskinane travelling very well just before that )" . Twigline took a serious bump from behind/ sideways , on the crown of the bend , the most dangerous place for that to happen . Think Twigline would have beaten her stable companion given an uninterrupted run.
No winners in situations like this , apart from the obvious . Only good thing that will come out of it is that ( hopefully) no Irish jockey will attempt a similar piece of riding in the foreseeable . |
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just back in from the races....and to keep it simple, he had to lose the race and there will be no grounds for appeal.why?
fox, under questioning in the stewards room after looking at the VT admitted to dangerous riding. once he done that, it was game over, as by irish rules, dangerous riding = disqualification. he rode like the conditional rider he is, stupid move on a horse that had the firepower to win if he had sat still and waited instead of barging. I feel for connections as they are local and as the horse was placed last of 6, they did not get a bean for their evening. |
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thats fair enough keen leader...my last word on the matter so is poor mr fox must have the brains of an amoeba to go into the stewards and ADMIT to dangerous riding...
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Just after the second last he had a short chance to go round the outer but Dooney Rock weakening wasn,t going to help there,
still very likely would have won,fair enough with the dangerous riding,still feel for him as often see a slight bump to get out,it was more than that. |
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So be telling the truth the lad gets the book thrown at him....Shambolic ....Surely the trainer must take some responsibility for not telling the lad not to say it was dangerous riding , before letting him head off to the stewards room....
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Been a little naive the stewards probably put the words into his mouth?
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they would not be the sharpest tools in the box workrider, market movements on some of their raiders to the uk, have been "odd" on this exchange, to put it politely. hexham, perth ...cough cough.
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A sad case indeed ...Terrible for all connected with the horse....
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AFFSITNOG, did the kid have a barrister with him the stewards room, everybody there that was ever racing, richer or poorer for it thought the decision wrong.
Out of curiosity when was the last time a horse was placed last from last in INH? |
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you see if young fox had managed to serve the duration of his apprentice tenure with blessed Charles of ballingarry, he may have been well versed in the ritual of "explaining" to stipes.
alas the stint in that equine college of education was short lived and on nights like tonight he may regret the brevity of his stay in limerick. |
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Arrah Bollicks, everybody knows the stewards at Sligo pissed their knickers because they had a Wylie horse at the track, I doubt WP or the prize prick or the owners were that exercised about the result, the locals just proved they couldn't run sh!te down a window.
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workider,
If you are ever called to the Stewards Room, for gods sake, bring Borneo with you and let him do all the talking. |
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Surely in that relationship Borneo would be the Jockey and Wonky well ......................... What ever they're into ?
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Whatever about the rights ands wrongs of the result of the race, it was another blow to the Irsh Ring, along the lines of ‘ if we had backed it online, best price and double result ‘ , didn’t seem to be a penny on course for the Favourite.
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Would young Fox know the difference between careless and dangerous, if he didnt, I'd say he does now.
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KL is absolutely right and it was the correct decision when you look at the definition in the rules of 'careless riding' vis a vis 'dangerous riding' and the consequences thereof.
''A rider is guilty of careless riding if he fails to take reasonable steps to avoid causing interference or causes interference by inattention or misjudgement'' ( Rule 214 (v)(2) . '' A rider is guilty of dangerous rding if he causes serious interference by purposely interfering with another horse or rider OR riding in a way which is far below that of a competent and careful Rider and where it would be obvious to such a competent and careful Rider that riding in that way was likely to endanger the safety of another horse or Rider '' * Rule 214 (v)(1) Even Stevie Wonder could see that Mr Fox's cowboy antics fell within 'dangerous' rather than 'careless' riding and while a finding of ''careless riding '' enables the Stewards to exercise discretion in relation to whether it affected the result or not and leave the result stand and ban the jockey etc , there is no such discretion in relation to 'dangerous' riding which carries the sanction of automatic disqualification , placed last with no consideration whatsoever of whether the best horse won etc. You would like to think the Sligo Stewards would have arrived at this obvious outcome even in the absence of an admission of guilt by the jockey |
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High Chaparral getting the Irish Champion stakes was a low point imo.
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I think you mean keeping the race kincsem?, but look at the connections involved, untouchable, battered and bruised the foreign challengers in Frozen Fires Irish Derby win and not even one days suspension was dished out?.
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When I was a season ticket holder at The Curragh I always thought stewards called numerous inquiries so they could get tea and biscuits. They never changed a result.
 The French stewards don't seem to have a problem putting in the boot. |
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Remember the time kincsem they never put as much as a drop of water on the Curragh straight to keep the going like a road for Henrythenavigator knowing full well the fast going would not suit his most serious rival New Approach, no coincidence that the connections involved with Henry were the untouchables?.
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I didn't see the race
But The jockey admitted dangerous riding therefore his horse must be disqualified and placed last A bit like a guy admitting murder .... They won't drop the charge and convict him of manslaughter |
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yummy,the point was made that with a little bit of "council" that the lad could have been advised to say as little as possible to the Stewards and admit nothing other that accidental interference.
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Palette in Punchestown was the last winner to be disqualified and placed last in Ireland..ridden by Mr.Ruby Walsh..bumper,claiming 7 !
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riby speals a good bit about it in his book as i recall?
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well done to derek fox.two good rides today,well judged.
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this isnt over yet by a long way im told
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With any luck Kavvie it is but the owners would be saying that kavvie, i presume you're hearing their side as they're Clare? But very hard how it can be overturned if he's admitted to it but i hope it's overturned.
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Stewards no choice, Fox incriminated himself in the enquiry by admitting dangerous riding
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Should be a done deal , waste of everyones time prolonging the issue . Dont always agree with Stewards ( particularly the English ones ) , but no option in this case . The ultimate second was more sinned against than the winner , they are the ones I feel should be aggrieved , if any .
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Wat we make of that one then in the 6.40 Killarney? Cant believe that one either myself
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And they leave that go at Sligo yesterday. What a shower
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Looked a poor call on the video to reverse placings. Leigh Roche took his horse to the outside and then under strong pressure with his whip in his right hand he hung in behind the two front runners who had already been running around a bit in front. There was a momentary gap between the two leaders which closed on the closing Shalaman at the elbow where it wasnt unreasonable for Positive Vibes to roll in a bit with the track configuration. While Shalaman was the best horse in the race , his jockey failed to use his whip in the left hand to enable him a clear run on the outer where he had switched him 2f out. By failing to switch his whip , he was forced to go for an optimistic gap between the two front runners and i dont think he was entitled to argue that it was unfair that it closed in the circumstances. Even when he switched again off the heels of the front runners , he might have got up if he applied a left hander but his failure to do so makes me wonder if he can use his whip in his left hand ( not unusual among jockeys )at all ? A rank bad ride was salvaged by a questionable Stewards decision , maybe Roche is a better talker than a rider ?
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