Sligo

Shocking decision to disqualify the winner. It is at times like this you need wildman. The small trainer and claiming jockey were never going to stand a chance against the might of Walsh/ Mullins/Wiley. The stewards know what side their bread is buttered on.

just home ... not a big gambler but could have done with the 175 euro... had 10 each way at 13.5 and 10 at 4.0 for the place.

Definitely the ruby factor - atr showed a replay from the 2nd last fence and he didnt do much wrong - not enough to be put into last place.

Worst ever stewards decision (maybe the pocket speaking) - i never even considered laying the bet in the enquiry.

sligored had you the ipad on course?

iphone

2013-05-22
19:48     27286346330     2013-05-22
19:28     IRE Sligo 22nd May / 19:40 To Be Placed
Comm Charged 5.02% On Net winnings of EUR27.5           -     -     ERR     (1.38)           172.34
    2013-05-22
19:48     27286346330     2013-05-22
19:28     IRE Sligo 22nd May / 19:40 To Be Placed / Seskinane
Back           3.75     10.00     ERR           27.50     173.72
    2013-05-22
19:46     27286336732     2013-05-22
19:28     IRE Sligo 22nd May / 19:40 2m4f Hrd
Comm Charged 5% On Net winnings of EUR115           -     -     ERR     (5.75)           146.22
    2013-05-22
19:46     27286336732     2013-05-22
19:28     IRE Sligo 22nd May / 19:40 2m4f Hrd / Seskinane
Back           12.50     10.00     ERR           115.00     151.9

fair play.......atr replay watched,bettiing on the enquiry and home from cleveragh before 20 past 9....GOOD STUFF........any sign of the village idiot on course?

Seskinane's jockey broke the rules , definitely dangerous riding .  In Ireland that means getting scrubbed .  It matters not a jot that he would have got away with it in England , their  Stewards lack of action in reversing placings is often ludicrous .

No idea why Derek Fox chose to try and barge trhough against 2 of the top jockeys in Ireland , he must have known he wasn't going to get a "welcome " mat . Hopefully he will learn a lesson .

Having said all that , I have the utmost sympathy for the connections of Seskinane  , only hope is that if they backed their horse they did it off course and will collect .

Racing can be a tough game , JP is sadly testimony to that( plus others) , Twigline could have been severely injured by Derek Fox's squeeze through , particularly as it seemed to happen on the crown of a bend when horses are adjusting .

Moneywise tonights race was of zero impact on me , no bet on the race either before or in running  , did fancy Twigline , which should probably have got the lions share of the purse .

i live 300 yards from the track - went home after the last pissed off - met rocket up there - we live in the real world - not your fantasyland.

LOL........hope he caught the bus back to ballymun intime........make sure ye log out now before rocket posts under his numerous guises.......hope he gets a signal on his ifone on that bus.......

oh i meant to say tell the kennedys i was asking about them when your in such close proximity......

Kelly I've seen plenty of similar incidents of dangerous riding perpetrated by senior riders and the stewards only cautioned them or deemed it the accidental cop out, here was a young jockey who was fair game, its a recurring theme in virtually all stewarding decisions.

No bet in the race buy a ban for the jockey would have sufficed imo,very harsh and off putting on the owners of the disqualified animal,Graham Wylie,WPM and RW need the money I suppose.

richters , i have have met both wr and rocket on a number of occasions , both are genuine sport fans and regularly go to proper sport events. Not like you , the ultimate keyboard warrior.

Am shocked at what happened tonite, no chance ruby would have been disqualified in the same situation .

Agree Silvergreaser that sometimes we see some scary things , and the more experienced jockeys are more adept at fighting their corner than a young guy ( who has a lot of talent) .  Even Lester suffered in his younger career for the occasional piece of riding deemed "cheeky" by his peers .

At the time I put myself in the minds of the Twigline connections , would have been furious if "our" horse had been hurt or brought down by the incident  , particularly if they had invested their readies on Twigline .  Derek Fox unfortunately broke the rules , admitted it apparently , had to go .  Maybe he needs to zone into Tigers mindset , he would probably have got away with it !

LOL.....fiar play sligo........rocket should be along shortly to back your tale up.....im sure hes home now........hes been biting his fingers for 2 hrs now waiting to comment.........by the way did workrider see you and rocket at the same time?

i think old dickie is losing it!hes doing alot of snipe shooting.back it up sport and put up a winning bet from the meeting.

and by the way sligo,i dont follow vauxhall conference rejects irish leauge soccer but i can tell ye something........i attended more connaught finals than ye have even read about and im only 34...........

2013-05-22
20:45     27288325274     2013-05-22
20:37     IRE Sligo 22nd May / 20:40 2m2f INHF / Minella Friend
Back           5.05     100.00     Won           404.94    

2013-05-22
20:45     27288397684     2013-05-22
20:40     IRE Sligo 22nd May / 20:40 2m2f INHF / Minella Friend
Back           5.50     18.15     Won           81.68

right dickie.what have u got?

you havent been at more connacht finals than me richters - at 34 years of age , you would have had to been at 7 before you were born (and not even a fantasist like you could have done that).

why would Sligo people be going to Connacht finals anyway??

YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAA...........LOL.....kingrat backs a winner SHOCK..............bombshell.......the dogs on the street can post that sorta stuff ffs......desperation.........

born in castlebar , freddie

that was in jest Sligored. Im from Louth and have been to 1 leinster. our only one in over 50 years

you cant put up a bet dickie,can u?thats yre problem m8,yre all mouth.now run along sport,i am done with u!

unfortunately sligo i deal in facts mate.........i was in hyde park the day declan darcy lifted the nestor cup.......ive been in connemara all week and the vibes in galway football are poor,this is sad to see for a once very proud football county,the same could be said about harmagh.......

rat please comment on the tipperary thread......ta......

A shocking decision b the Sligo stewards , who should hang their heads in shame ...A real big man wins every time decision if ever there was one ..I watched this race before going out and thought , what a silly young man sure to get a few days for that ,  when Sligored rang and old me it had been disqualified i was amazed ...This kind of decision is one of the reasons why the small man i.e racing syndicates are been lost to Irish racing ..They know they have no chance against the likes of MULLINS ETC....No fault of Willies btw ....A little like whats happened in greyhound racing , Little trainer been put in as cannon fodder time and time against the big trainers , The owner get sick of it and packs it in ...With decisions like tonights looks like racing is heading down the same road....Shame on them....

u walked into that dickie...as jack palance said in shane "prove it"

prove what billy?

that i was in hyde park in 1994?

oh sorry dickie!maybe u have a problem with copy and paste.

I met SR up there alright, fair play he had just had a nice winner, ah the disqualifying of Seskinane was a very poor decision, imo correct decision was to keep the result the same and ban the jockey esp as the Twigline had not finished 2nd. One of the best previews on here in a while if i do say so myself, i hope you got on the Sesk richters Boooooom !

LOL.........

Answer me this COCO..I normally back w/o , mostly with FRANK  FINIGAN WHEN HE WAS DOING IT ..I never , and i mean never , saw Frank bet w/o 2 in a 6 horse race ..In fact I've never seen any bookie bet w/o 2 in a 6 runner race.....Kindly tell us who you backed this with ....Thanks...

barlows bookmaker,weatherfield........or barlowbet.org for online liars

....

Who said i bet it?

You put it up as a bet w/o 2 ..So kindly tell us HOW it was possible to HAVE THIS BET AND WITH WHO....THANKS....

So you're saying you never seen a bookie price a race with more than one included in the betting w/o?

lol....workrider leaves dopey again.........

READ what i said very slowly ....I never saw FRANK or any OTHER BOOKIE bet w/o 2 in a six runner race ...Kindly let us know what on course BOOKIE was offering this bet ...As even You know the main st bookies don't offer this kind of bet .....

leaves dopey speachless again i meant........

Fair play and you still haven't

I'm off to bed ....Surely you can produce ONE BOOKIE on course who was offering YOU this bet ...I'm sure you'll spend the night trying to think of ONE...night night......

Wonky you're obviously trying to make out i'm fibbing or catch me out on something about somehing but i honestly can't see what with. It's like some sort of bizarre rant Ask SR if i was there, he'll set you straight if you don't believe me !

It's like a pre conceived notion that you're trying to make me look like a liar but failing miserably at it !

lol........how many usenames do you really post under?like seriously?

According to your post Coco , and here it is.......Rocketfingers     22 May 13 18:20 
Flued up but i may go in for one race for one punt, on Twigline, don't be surprised too see this lad fav. Also might bet Seskiane w/o the front two.

The Rock
All I'm asking is simply this ....WHO OR WHAT BOOKIE BET YOU W/O 2 IN A 6 RUNNER RACE ....SIMPLY ANSWER THE QUESTION....

Can you read my post again, May i ask exactly why you need this information Wonky? What are you accusing me of before i answer?

A fair question WR, it would help anyone on the forum who wants to back a bet like that.

I have never seen ANY bookie at any track , and i'm going racing over 40 yrs bet w/o two in a 6 runner race ....So who did you have that bet with ...SIMPLE....

8.00 bally longford
looks to be a weak contest and although the mullins horse is not up to much surly hes a worth 15/8 shot? key peoples form was franked last night and could be the threat...good look all

Ok so, there were not 1 but actually 2 bookies betting w/o 2 in that race and they were Ray McBrierty and Robert Meenan. I'm sure this can be verified by SR or maybe KL.

The Rock

Rocketfingers 22nd may 22.44 " i hope you got on the sesk richters boooom1!!" Well that was you royally fooked with the D/Q so. Whats the Boooom on a losing bet for?

Has anybody here seen Wonky? Or Pa, i hope this helps you lads for your next bet Pa

Read my last post there The Rock" and comeback to me then please.

WHAT PRICE WAS IT W/O 2 WITH THOSE LADS....?

WHAT PRICE WAS IT W/O 2 WITH THOSE LADS....?

Went off at 4/6 any more questions Mr Wonky? What colour socks did they were Keep em' coming, talk about making a fool of yourself and delighted to have snagged Pa as well, unlucky lads please try harder

Why a "Boooom" for a losing bet?

Rocketfingers 22 may 22.44 " I hope you got on the sesh richters booom!!!
Why the boooom on a losing bet?

What DIFFERENCE DID YOU NOTICE ABOUT R.MEEHAN AND THE OTHER LAD BETTING W/O 2 ...

What DIFFERENCE DID YOU NOTICE ABOUT R.MEEHAN AND THE OTHER LAD BETTING W/O 2 ...

Ffs i knew it they were not the same person i hope that helps ........

I'M not doubting for one moment you were there , Sligored rang me last night from the course and said you were with him ...I'm just amazed that these lads were betting w/o 2 ....There is a reason i asked that question about MEEHAN and the other guy ..Try again and see did you notice any difference ....

The sp on the race in question was

1/1
11/8
7/1
14/1
25/1
50/1

WR
In such races where the betting suggests a potential match race there is generally one or two on course bookmakers who will bet without 2
What price was Twigline without one?

YUMMY , very rare indeed for them to back w/o 2 in  6 runner race ..Frank and the few others who bet like this , normally revert to backing w/o one in these circumstances ...That's why i was surprised ....

Rocketfingers, presumably if you placed your bet with one of these on course bookmakers, your bet was deemed a loser?

I was wondering when someone would spot his mistake Slabster ....

I actually never bet it Slab, when i posted on here the horse was 4th fav, when i got in and saw him fav w/o front 2, or 3rd fav, and hugely odds on i left it as value had gone. It won well tbf but no bet.

Brilliant post by yunny, can you imagine a bookmaker making a book w/o On his own and expecting punters to bet with him, nice one Wonky, expecting bookmakers to price up betting w/o the fav in a race that looked a match beforehand seriously clueless and thick as well !

SO 4/6 in a 4 runner race is HUGE ODDS ON ....as it was third fav in the betting @ 7/1 what price were you expecting w/o 2 ....6/4.........Your a simpleton son....

What price was Twigline w/o one ?

That's the reason i just give for not betting him so thanks for posting what i already said Wonky, when i posted on here he was general price 14's, i expected him to be 2nd fav and odds against in that market.

Ok Wonky now answer the question yoummy is asking you my good man what price should twigline have been w/o one?

as it happens, I went into the pp shop in Sligo town before racing, and I had a very small wager on the extra market on this race, they bet without the 2 mullins horses and it was 5/4 your pick, seskinane and elliotts.  and as it happens they paid out on both.

I did not look around the ring to see if anyone was playing chances on the race. if it was Meehan and Ray, then all you could have on was buttons, and in effect it was not a market. Meehan would lay for a maximum liability of 100, 50 if it was the son on the controls, and I was chatting with ray during the evening, and he said he was there to win a deuce, as he is retiring if he can locate a buyer for his pitches. hence if you wanted the back seskinane at 4/6 without 2, between the 2 layers you would be lucky to get a 200-300.

Answer the question yummy asked you Wonky, this should be good

Wonky does not understand the term 'value', 5/4 into 4/6 is not a bet for me for him it's still a bet because he thought the horse would come 2nd. He price/value ignorant as well as everything, hence he can't answer the question he was asked and has now gone into hiding

I had no interest in this race for betting purposes ...You COCO , CAME ON HERE SPOUTING THE ODDS ABOUT THE HORSE ....THE FACT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE ODDS AGAINST IN A 4 RUNNER RACE SAYS IT ALL....YOU STILL DIDN'T KNOW MEEHAN NORMALLY WORKS ON HIS OWN , AS KEEN LEADER SAYS HE ONLY TAKES BUTTONS ...I DOUBT HE HAD ANY TROUBLE TAKING A BET OFF YOU SO.....

In fairness as previously posted by KL it was 5/4 each of two before racing commenced

RF did not take 4/6 as he felt value was gone . ( betting without on course - value gone - SURELY NOT)

So it was odds against in a four horse race

Most soccer match markets would be odds against in a 3 "horse" race

Says it all reallly

Answer the question you were asked Wonky ! Talk about a rant backfiring on a person

Please answer the question !

Where has mr Ex pro punter gone?

Answer the question when you come back it's not going away Wonky !

I'll do a you on it , know what I mean.........Now why did you put up that BOOOOOOOOOOM ... IF AS YOU SAID YOU NEVER BACKED IT AT THE TRACK  ... I bet if it had kept the race , and judging by that BOOOOOOOOOM ,You obviously thought it would...You would have claimed you backed it on track ...That BOOOOOOOOOOOM backfired methinks....

Answer the question you were asked, why won't you answer yummy's question

This is a classic thread even if i do say so myself. You came on acting the big man and you've being caught out badly yourself

Two of you in it

Tbf yummy he's asked to answer one question, he was acting billy big you know what on this thread, but as usual he's fallen flat on his face because he can't answer just one question he was asked. You have to remember this was the guy that claimed to be a pro punter but give it up because he was too lazy to look at the animals in the parade ring . Ya right, more like he's a complete mug and has a minus IQ.

Wonky not chasing you anymore for the answer, the no answer speaks volumes for you my friend, you've been found out for the simpleton you truly are  

Bye bye

Yummy never asked a question , hence no need for answer ...You on the other hand , come on here with ...BOOOOOOOOOOOM , YET WHEN ASKED...If you had a bet at the course say NAY.....As i already asked, if it had kept the race , WOULD YOU HAVE BACKED IT ON COURSE ...ANSWERS ON A POSTCARD PLEASE....

yummy 24 May 13 10:56 Joined: 07 Dec 09 | Topic/replies: 919 | Blogger: yummy's blog
The sp on the race in question was

1/1
11/8
7/1
14/1
25/1
50/1

WR
In such races where the betting suggests a potential match race there is generally one or two on course bookmakers who will bet without 2
What price was Twigline without one?


yummy 24 May 13 11:51 Joined: 07 Dec 09 | Topic/replies: 919 | Blogger: yummy's blog
What price was Twigline w/o one ?

In your own time, if you want to keep it going amigo i'm not going any place

Delighted to expose you as the BS artist i knew you were and a liar, Pro Punter my arse

What has that got to do with me , YOU SIMPLETON ....I WAS NOT AT THE TRACK , SO HOW WOULD I KNOW WHAT PRICE IT WAS ....YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WAS THERE , SO ANSWER THE QUESTION...WHAT PRICE WAS IT W/O 1...OH I FORGOT YOU BACKED........ THE GELDING IN THAT RACE.......

Omg this is brilliant he's given you the prices, this is your big chance to show us that you were once a pro punter and not telling porkies, maths not your strong point

Found out !

I DON'T HAVE TO DO THE MATHS ...ONCE AGAIN I'LL TELL YOU ...I HAD NO BET ON THE RACE ......YOU DID....OR DIDN'T AS THE CASE MAYBE ....THE CASE BEEN ..IF IT HAD KEPT THE RACE GUESS WHO'D HAVE BACKED IT ON COURSE....BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM..........

So you can't answer the question, just as i thought, what a dope Mr big Pro punter !!!!!

I can indeed answer the question you speak of COCO , but why SHOULD I...After all i'd be only telling a guy who thought TWIGLINE WAS A HE.....

Thanks for making a fool of yourself for all to see, later

Oh you can answer but won't even better , Well the next time you're speaking to someone that has an IQ in the +'s ask them. How many hours have you had and you've shown you can't Anyway i enjoyed you making a fool of yourself

On MATURE REFLECTION , methinks you need read your own threads very very carefully .....Before that is , making an ass of yourself on a regular basis......BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM......................

All the above is all you need to know about the use and abuse of smileyfaces

the op has brought much needed common sense to an irish racing thread but of course 2 mug punters,wr and pa give him dog's abuse.in the process these 2 gobsh1tes expose themselves as fools and know sfa about betting.they could be positive and actually learn something but no,they have to be vindictive,small minded individuals because of jealousy and there own inadequacies.if they cant be constructive ,my advice to them is to go back where they belong.ie the palookaville of tony's irish racing threads.

A fierce post altogether for you Ratty, still no answer on why the big boooom on a losing bet.

now the conclusion....

Eugene McMahon / Derek Fox Appeals(owner and rider of Seskinane)
Sligo – 22nd May 2013

The Appeals Body (Division One) Patrick Reidy (in the Chair), Martin O’Donnell and Peter Reynolds met at the Turf Club, Curragh, Co. Kildare on 11th July 2013 to consider the appeals of Eugene McMahon, owner and Derek Fox, rider, of Seskinane against the decision of the Stewards at Sligo on 22nd May 2013 to disqualify Seskinane, suspend Derek Fox for 10 race days and order that he forfeit his riding fee, following the running of the All Sports Betting Tubbercurry Hurdle.

The grounds of appeal lodged by Derek Fox were that “he did not ride dangerously and did not get a fair hearing”. The grounds of appeal lodged by Eugene McMahon were that “the horse should not have been disqualified, as the rider was not guilty of dangerous riding”.

At the outset Edward F McAllister, Acting Solicitor on behalf of Derek Fox, made a number of submissions to the Appeals Body with regard to the fairness of the stewards enquiry at Sligo. In particular he alleged that the enquiry was conducted unfairly and contrary to the principles of natural justice. He raised issues with regard to the line of questioning of his client Derek Fox which resulted in the conviction of his client for dangerous riding. He asked the Appeals Body not to allow the case presenter cross-examine on the basis of the evidence contained in transcript. In response Conal Boyce, on behalf of the Turf Club, said that as the hearing was a “de novo” hearing, he did not have any difficulty with Mr McAllister’s proposal.

Having considered the submissions, the Appeals Body ruled that the hearing should proceed without any reference to the transcript.


Evidence was heard from Paul Townend – rider Twigline (FR), Ruby Walsh – rider On His Own and Derek Fox. Film of the race was also reviewed.

In his evidence Paul Townend said that he was about a half length behind On His Own when the incident occurred. He said it was a gap of between 14 and 18 inches between Twigline (FR) and On His Own which was insufficient for Seskinane to go through. He had Seskinane held in the pocket and Seskinane had to canon into his horse to get out. He said that he was just trying to keep his horse standing after receiving what he described as “an unmerciful thump” which knocked the stuffing of her. He said that Twigline (FR) was hit three quarter away back by Seskinane at the point of impact and that it wasn’t a shoulder to shoulder charge. He concluded by reiterating that there wasn’t a clear gap for Seskinane to go through and that he felt he would have won but for the interference.
In his evidence Ruby Walsh confirmed the evidence given by Paul Townend that there wasn’t enough room for a horse to get through between On His Own and Twigline (FR) and just because there was room for Seskinane’s head to go into the gap didn’t mean that the rest of his body would get through.

In his evidence Derek Fox said that Seskinane travelled well throughout the race and that he angled out from behind just before the turn into the straight to go between On His Own and Twigline (FR). He said there was a sufficient gap and that he was almost through it when Twigline (FR) came in on top of Seskinane. He said he was upsides Twigline (FR) at the point of impact and that the collision was exaggerated as it took place on the bend. He said he did not intend to make contact with Twigline (FR) during the manoeuvre and that he did not purposely interfere with Twigline (FR) nor did he ride in such a way to endanger the safety of another horse or rider.


Having considered the evidence the Appeals Body was satisfied that what occurred fell within the definition of dangerous riding under Rule 214 with the result that Derek Fox was found in breach of this rule. As a consequence the disqualification of Seskinane was confirmed and the result of the race remains as amended by the Stewards at Sligo on 22nd May 2013 and reads as follows:
First: On His Own
Second: Twigline (FR)
Third: Time To Work
Fourth: Dooney Rock
The Appeals Body considered a submission on penalty by Edward McAllister on behalf of Derek Fox in relation to the finding of dangerous riding. Having considered the submission the Appeals Body ordered that the original penalty of 10 race days will stand and that Derek Fox forfeit his riding fee. In addition the Appeals Body ordered that he forfeit his appeal deposit and contribute €250 towards Turf Club costs. The suspension dates are 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 21st, 22nd and 23rd July.

The case was presented by Conal Boyce, Solicitor, Naas, Co. Kildare. Eugene McMahon and Derek Fox were both represented by Edward F. McAllister, Solicitor, Lisburn, Co. Antrim.