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Amazing how there has never been a so called ' dissident' bomb explosion that killed anybody in over 14 years yet so many discoveries have been made yet with little follow up actual criminal convictions. These excuses for mob rule just don't exist anymore. Perhaps try to find the excuses pre provo days for mob rule would be the next plan of subtle justification rather than admittance that there just isn't and never had been any justification for the inequalities of mob rule over last 100 years. These ' dissidents' would not even exist if the mob rule justification mentality had never existed. Neither would little Ira and her spray can be writing her name everywhere without her parents knowledge.
All these things are meant to be history and will be if only so called Unionists would accept true equality of the native Irish instead of trying to convince themselves and others they are still the better and only people that matter in the 6 counties. Mr Mcrea of the Unionist party yesterday said he supported the flag compromise as a vital part of the equality peace process only to hear 3 of his colleagues say they will resign from party if he is not sacked by Mike Nesbitt. What kind of leadership is this for Unionists ? It does suggest there is growing sense and genuine good will among the Unionist population. It would be nice if the normal Unionist came out in support of him.
Dec 8, 2012 -- 12:18PM, insideinfo wrote:
Sorry i must have missed something or else you are having difficulty reading my post..What exactly am i trying to justify??? And you also missed my question on why you are no longer posting as zipifried??? banned perhaps? or was it just because everyone realised you were a fruit loop!
You miss a lot. Resorting to name calling now sounds about right for your level.
Unionists now gathered in thousands outside city hall with their flag of Britain, normal people wanting to shop for Christmas unable to do so. Tourists turning away and on first bus out of NI and away from the loonies and their uneducated grasp of morality and equality.
Banners like this show up the lack of education prevalent in Northern Ireland in certain circles . So Cavan , Monaghan , and Donegal are British ? One can only assume that those who spent time and money on preparing such a statement are pretty thick . The no surrender is also a load of rubbish based on a slogan coined 100 years ago before the current set of realities occurred .
The images which flashed around the world DO affect things like tourism , and Hilary's report back to USA will make interesting reading , as her " female mate " Naomi was the one in the eye of the storm . Have a punt on Naomi retaining her seat .
Basil McCrae will also prosper , realism eventually does bear fruit , even if its not fashionable at the time . Friend of ours took a particular stance publicly some years ago here , ostracised by his then party , nearly thrown out , but time has proved him right . 100% .
Daily as I drive through Belfast and district there are flags out , all year , marking territory . Nationalists living in protestant / hard line unionist territory have to walk past them all year , a constant reminder of someones foot on your neck for 80 years , you can put up with it for the months marching madness around July / August , but 24/7 it grates . Most of them are not Union flags , but the Union flag is the flag bearer so to speak . Nationalist symbols tend to be less visible , but must annoy some unionists and that has to be taken on board too .
Nobody in Northern Ireland to my knowledge has ever been prosecuted under the "Flags and emblems act" which is one of the problems , the politicians and law enforcers can only pay lip service to accomodating one side or another ( at the expense of the other). Fact is 2 tribes have been institutionalised by politics , history , tradition , and the only people who REALLY care all live here , but they have not got the sovereign right to sort it out among themselves , there are 2 other players in the game , essentially outside agencies seeing as how the south has given up their claim . And there are John Bulls out there and parties espousing comely maidens dancing at the crossroads in the mix , plus churches and evangelical thoughts ( good to know that the one indusputable fact is that this problem did not exist in 4001 B C .) with influence . Prisoners of history I have called us , but we are not alone in the world in that regard , most of the places where there is "trouble" in the world as it is called euphemistically have a track record where land expansionism , religion , traditon and history have all had input .
As for Stokes , what has he got to do with anything? A footballer going to a friends funeral. He has every right to do that no matter who the friend is or was. Trying to compare both is the type of ignorance these Loyalist type thrive upon. It doesn't seem to matter what the truth is at all to people intent on hating anything Irish. The fact is this so called community is now unwanted and seen for all it ever was by the normal Protestant people. I suggest you follow suit for the sake of your soul.
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According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.
He repeatedly flaunted this commitment. A line had to be drawn on the sand and thankfully we had leaders prepared to enforce it.
So we had a tyrant, who previously had WMD, had previously used them (on his own people) and who, despite having contractually agreed to them, was refusing to allow weapons inspections. Fairly obvious to confidently assume he had WMD. And even if ultimately he actually didn't (and he could have simply saved himself and his people by simply allowing the inspections he had agreed to) the risk was too great to take. The decision to take him out was correct imo.
Oh and of course we really don't need a crazy tyrant controlling that much oil supply, the world economy is precarious enough as it is.
avery and foresight imo. I don't know how the victims families tolerated these thugs being freed, fair play to them.
Politics is often a game not played by any rules and involves unscrupulous behaviour betimes . Debates about that would not allow any of us time to look after more pressing matters like the 2.55 at Navan .
To be honest I don,t know how they can help the man out there.
Make no mistake this is the height of intelligence these people hold. Absolutely no grasp of reality. It is the same neanderthal mentality the Unionist politicians have always had. It is about time the Irish army invaded these areas and regained control of public order so that all the good work is not ruined for decades to come.
Instead the biggest trouble yet is to come today in a 6 county wide campaign of intimidation and protest against an equal society democracy... will be interesting to see how the 'Democrats' react to this one or when somebody loses a life because of it. Let's hope it isn't 3 innocent young brothers this time.
The IRA are premier league types who operate on the grand scale - murder , maiming , genocide.
On the other hand someone mentioned 'neanderthals' ? Now that particular cap/beret would fit the IRA just fine I reckon.
The IRISH RIOTS.....
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Last night saw the Loyalist dopes take up their idiocy another notch, attacking Irish peoples homes, ordinary decent people going about their lives having their windows smashed in by people who are opposed to them having equal status in their own country. This is the blatant truth but RTE, BBC never report it in the basic reality, always pandering to Loyalist right to protest but when it comes to Nationalist protests against evil bigots parading their sectarianism down their streets... we see the police escort them before battering peaceful Irish protesters off their own neighbourhoods. The only way to stop this is by bringing in American and Irish troops to clear these Loyalist gangs and stop them for good. If it takes a final war then so be it.
The IRA are premier league types who operate on the grand scale - murder , maiming , genocide.
On the other hand someone mentioned 'neanderthals' ? Now that particular cap/beret would fit the IRA just fine I reckon.
Wonderful post Vubiant, you are back on form!
Unionists talk about giving away concessions. Most people would not consider getting equality as a concession.
My niece has heard that some of her P4 class have been seen out on the street "participating" in the flag protest . Given that some of them can hardly tie their shoes properly , and with the acknowledged ( by 100% of the unionists I have known all my life ) laissez faire attitude to education exhibited by large elements of the "disadvantaged " on that side of the sectarian divide , its no wonder that the voting fodder have been easy to lure onto the streets .
The unionist community need to get their act together . They have been poorly served politically since the 1960's , they have sat on their oars educationally since the 1970's , potential graduates all went pondside during the "troubles" , the jobs for the boys disappeared with the demise of our flagship traditional industries , and world communications put them in behind the 8-ball .
There are actually no "disadvantaged " unionists , rules are techically the same for all citizens of Northern Ireland . But with the reliance on the state fostered by events and employment procedures , subsidies , jobs for the boys , B specials , UDR plus plus ( all gone or drastically reduced availability ) greatly reduced or disappeared things have changed and its not popular . So its spoilt child syndrome .
Plus some are worried about things in the pipeline and are fomenting trouble .
No place for smugness in the nationalist community though . Both sides need to work hard together to eradicate past misdemaeanours on both sides . But if you dont essentially like the other guy its hard to row the boat without friction and accusations of not pulling your weight .
so descriptively precise,so stunningly and tragically apt.
Fintan is too kind to use the term 'cavemen' -but the meaning is pretty clear.
Mind you it is an unwarranted insult to cavemen to compare them to the loathsome psychotic terrorist-gangsters of the IRA.
Jan 15, 2013 -- 7:59PM, Deplasterer wrote:
There's some nice burgers on sale in Tesco at the minute Vubiant, you should try some of them.
vubiant would probably want a packet of jaffa cakes free with them
Of course there was another school of thought abroad among the more rabid paleorepublicans(thanks Fintan
which was of the ethnic cleansing variety - drive all the protestant Unionists and Loyalists out of N Ir altogether .How would the Catholic Unionists have fared I wonder -as Unionist preference is in the majority among Catholics now -sensible folk that they are.
Either way -the IRA/paleorepublicans = a putrid pile of social and political pus.
for what its worth i feel it was a big mistake taking the flag down in the first place and in hindsight those who took that decision must realise that they have set northern ireland back years not moved it forward.
when i lived in the south i had no issues with the irish flag being flown on buildings and although i didnt class it as "my flag" it certainly caused me no offence.its about time the so easily offended nationalists in the north realise that whether they like it or not northern ireland remains british and their wishful thinking that we are a united ireland isnt here just yet!!
Jan 15, 2013 -- 8:55PM, Vubiant wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong -but according to the IRA these 'Loyalist' people you speak of are 'Irish'(though they don't know it) and the IRA were so anxious that they should be incorporated into a United Ireland polity that they launched a campaign to murder and intimidate same 'Loyalists' into that course of action . I may be missing something but the logic would appear to be 'Join us or we'll kill you' -not the most efficacious of invitations I suggest.Of course there was another school of thought abroad among the more rabid paleorepublicans(thanks Fintan which was of the ethnic cleansing variety - drive all the protestant Unionists and Loyalists out of N Ir altogether .How would the Catholic Unionists have fared I wonder -as Unionist preference is in the majority among Catholics now -sensible folk that they are.Either way -the IRA/paleorepublicans = a putrid pile of social and political pus.
Is that what you really believe or a deliberate bit of ridiculous and childish summary of a rather serious subject ? A United Ireland for many was merely a concept/label that was easy for confused journalists to hang their story upon. Like stated before the Provisional IRA formed to protect their community from consistent attacks on their community from Loyalist mobs and Loyalist RUC on behalf of a one party government that consisted of no Nationalists.
Civil rights marches in Derry in 1968 set up by Derry housing action committee ( A CAMPAIGN FOR CATHOLICS TO ACHIEVE FULL BRITISH CITIZEN RIGHTS) were banned by the Unionist government as the Loyalist Apprentice boys had heard of the civil rights march and decided to have a parade the same day and same time. The march for equal housing, jobs and status (all with factual statistical evidence to support and prove validity of protest) went ahead and soon faced the RUC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H11Ce8mmWM Note no civil rights marchers had any stones, bricks, fireworks, petrol bombs or weapons and were attacked by RUC with 100 injured. The RUC defence was the march was held near a Unionist area and so had potential to cause trouble. Meanwhile the Apprentice boys and Orange order were parading and beating loud drums to the songs of anti nationalist and catholic songs through nationalist areas all across NI with the support of the RUC.
Following protests that year grew leading up to the Peoples Democracy march from Belfast to Derry start of January 69 set up by students at Queens University. The march was attacked by Loyalist mobs in virtually every town on way with the worst at Burntollit when a Loyalist mob including off duty B Specials injured 13 unarmed civil rights protesters. At the end of march the RUC entered the Bogside and attacked catholic homes. In April the RUC stormed into a Bogside residents 'Samuel Devenny' and beat him so bad he died of his injuries a few months later just weeks away from an Apprentice boy sectarian parade past the Bogside that would be escorted by the RUC. On 14th July Catholic Francis Mcclosky (67) was hit on head by RUC and died becoming first victim of NI troubles
Nationalist people vowed to show up the blatant double standards of the Unionist controlled state and its henchmen by protesting an Apprentice boys parade in Aug 69 along the City walls of Derry that led directly past many Nationalist areas including the Bogside. They would put the RUC defence of their assaults on civil rights protesters to the test ' It is ok to march in an area that will not cause trouble or offend ' Civil rights for Nationalist seemed to offend Unionists but Sectarian marches are not meant to offend those they are trying to offend apparently. The Battle of the Bogside commenced from Aug 12 to 14th with 1000 injured with violence spreading to Belfast leading to a Loyalist mob taking the opportunity to burn all the catholic homes along Bombay street. The Irish government had made a statement suggesting it would help defend its people but eventually as the RUC were too stretched the British army were deployed for the first time and the battle ended. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-zQoAHJT6g
The British Army were welcomed by catholic residents in fear the Loyalist B Specials would be deployed with free use of weapons. It became clear that Nationalist/catholics in NI were not to be granted full British citizen rights and attacks by Loyalist mobs, RUC, B Specials were not going to bring any help from the free state Irish government. The Provisional IRA was formed to protect their own communities and 5 months later the Short Strand area of East Belfast was being attacked by a Loyalist gang and in fear of their houses being burned down with them in it the IRA began a gun battle with the Loyalists leaving 6 dead ( 5 Loyalist attackers) No British army or RUC were sent to the Short Strand to help protect catholic residents before IRA launched their first serious attack of troubles. In July 1970 British army battalions , namely Blackwatch ( A Scottish regiment of violent Scottish protestants with a distinct hatred of catholics bred into them from an early age) were sent into the Falls road and after 2 days of rioting 100 weapons, 21000 rounds of ammo and 250 pounds of explosives were found. A drop in the ocean for the British army. A number of Catholic residents and civilians elsewhere in Belfast were killed by the British Army around this period.
Provos organised themselves as Loyalist mobs continued to attack and kill while government forces were starting to realise the scale of problem. The following year of 1971 saw the first significant year in terms of lives lost including a British army attack in Ballymurphy leaving 11 unarmed catholic civilians die. The IRA across the province was now the only means of protecting the ethnic cleansing that had been going on for decades. The start of 1972 ' Bloody Sunday' followed by the lies to the world and tainting of an entire community was what led to an upsurge in anger and viciousness among the IRA leading to the biggest number of casualties of the troubles and decades of conflict.
The IRA never set off to try to establish a United Ireland. The civil rights marchers wanted full British civil rights. These rights were violently opposed with no protection for those without the rights. The IRA were formed to establish protection and when they did so were met with British Army murder squads.
It would be best for those with their facts wrong to obtain the correct info before repeating British propaganda on the subject. As for more catholics being Unionist , surely you're having a laugh there. For along time catholics want to be part of a United Northern Ireland free from UK and Ireland but with close relations being neighbours. This is what was believed to be in the agreement to bring about peace process. It appears some Loyalists had not realised as such and are still opposed to anything being equal. We now see pictures of residents in Short strand being attacked in same way they were attacked that led to the Provos first mission in 1970. There is no provos today and as Alex Maskey said ' if he was a resident of short strand he would throw stones too to protect his house.
The studio audience consisted of over a hundred all bursting for their dulcet tones to be heard on the airwaves , plus 5 panellists of differing ( and in some cases diametrically opposed ) views . There seemed to about 80% unionist voices in the audience , which probably reflects the general populace view up here that the flag issue is of concern mainly only to the unionist population , those of us not in that camp are well used to various flags used to denote unionist allegiance as NI is littered with them . So its not a big deal relatively speaking one more or one less Union Jack to us .
What is of concern to the non unionist ( and Alliance , who will propsper as a result of this ) is the effect on world opinion , and opinion in the "mother country" , involving so called citizens purporting to value the democracy associated with the ideals enshrined in their Mother of Parliaments in violent dispute nightly with the PSNI who slowly but surely are trying to uphold the rule of law fairly for ALL the citizens of NI . Spoke to 2 travellers today in the airport , one back from 6 weeks in New Zealand and another from OZ , the world is getting a lot of pictures from here recently . The unionists apparently dont care much about the nightly violence , otherwise they would have stopped it at source .
The level of intransigence invading our sitting rooms tonight does not bode well for the future , the politicians claim to represent the people , but that was not evident from the interuptions and general misdemeanour of a lot of the audience tonight . Programs like tonight dont help .
A complete misperception that is statistically backed up and when put them by Gerry Kelly that the worst 36 of the top 40 off areas worse off statistically are Nationalist, Jim Wilson could only shout over his answer desperate to hear another cheer from his band of idiots and grossly fat woman supporters in the audience. Wilson argued where were the enquiries for various IRA atrocities on Loyalists. I am sure a lot of people were in jail on both sides for many murders and a lot on both sides got away with many. It took decades to get any progress on the enquiries he mentioned and still with no arrests. This is no justification whatsoever but his supporters have not got the brains to work that out with this little United Protestant Voice lad he has by his side who believes he can win the Unionist vote, he will have a big surprise on that score.
http://www.u.tv/News/Riots-will-lead-new-generation-to-jail/96e8b513-dd76-4027-acf0-40d3fe8afb03
You may have missed the above item by UTV last night that has much better and true views by 4 ex prisoners. The myth of being worse off is driven into poorly educated Loyalists in order to stir them up into committing foolish acts that will only gain them criminal records and poor lives.
Could not agree more with that statement.
And the same people that were screaming "terrorist" to Gerry Kelly are the same people who were throwing petrol bombs at a catholic church where special needs children where on Monday night, and are pelting houses nightly in the Short Strand while the PSNI sit and watch.
Who is doing the "terrorizing" here then?
Jan 17, 2013 -- 11:54AM, richters wrote:
1.10 thurles Top of the Ra 6/4 to place
Only for Kilmainham jail Top ofthe Ra would have won
Jan 17, 2013 -- 1:13PM, richters wrote:
the question that needs to be asked here is how did the IMPARTIAL bbc let 90% of the audience be filled by these thugs...with rangers jerseys and hoodies.i hope vubiant watched the nolan show....and would poise the question to him does he still blanme the IRA for the chaos......i would also suggest to vubiant to go away and educate himself on the matter before jumping 2 feet deep into the discussion on the basis of reading an article by ultra bigot fintan the tool.....
I doubt many Nationalists would want to travel to show considering there were many protesters outside and inside. It showed them up big style to be very misinformed and simple. The BB?C ,UTV, RTE, SKY News are all the same. They will all come from the same angles they believe will fit their agenda.
Martin McGuinness was rightly outraged that nobody was picking up on the fact Peter Robinson refused to stand side by side with him to condemn violence in same fashion he did with Masserene attack and others. More and more Unionists and Loyalists are being shown to be what they have always been, politically inept and just wrong. They are an embarrassment to ordainary decent protestant people and i guess that is why Aliance is doing so much better in East Belfast as the decent Protestant people want the best for all in their community.
Jan 18, 2013 -- 3:14PM, richters wrote:
i wonder will the wee fat woman from east belfast be shouting thru the broken window of the city hall this weekend........sNOw SURRENDER......
"It is also understood some loyalist audience members cheered when footage of rioters attacking police was shown in the studio, although this appeared to be edited out"
What fantastic spokespeople those guys were for their community.
Lets face it, these loyalist are used to nationalists being viewed as beneath them and now that the tables are slowly turning they can see their 80+ years of discrimination and violent sectarianism is coming to an end and there people are being shown for what they are and always where to the whole world.
