Dec 8, 2012 -- 6:18AM, insideinfo wrote:
Sorry i must have missed something or else you are having difficulty reading my post..What exactly am i trying to justify??? And you also missed my question on why you are no longer posting as zipifried??? banned perhaps? or was it just because everyone realised you were a fruit loop!
You miss a lot. Resorting to name calling now sounds about right for your level.
Jan 15, 2013 -- 1:59PM, Deplasterer wrote:
There's some nice burgers on sale in Tesco at the minute Vubiant, you should try some of them.
vubiant would probably want a packet of jaffa cakes free with them
Jan 15, 2013 -- 2:55PM, Vubiant wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong -but according to the IRA these 'Loyalist' people you speak of are 'Irish'(though they don't know it) and the IRA were so anxious that they should be incorporated into a United Ireland polity that they launched a campaign to murder and intimidate same 'Loyalists' into that course of action . I may be missing something but the logic would appear to be 'Join us or we'll kill you' -not the most efficacious of invitations I suggest.Of course there was another school of thought abroad among the more rabid paleorepublicans(thanks Fintan which was of the ethnic cleansing variety - drive all the protestant Unionists and Loyalists out of N Ir altogether .How would the Catholic Unionists have fared I wonder -as Unionist preference is in the majority among Catholics now -sensible folk that they are.Either way -the IRA/paleorepublicans = a putrid pile of social and political pus.
Is that what you really believe or a deliberate bit of ridiculous and childish summary of a rather serious subject ? A United Ireland for many was merely a concept/label that was easy for confused journalists to hang their story upon. Like stated before the Provisional IRA formed to protect their community from consistent attacks on their community from Loyalist mobs and Loyalist RUC on behalf of a one party government that consisted of no Nationalists.
Civil rights marches in Derry in 1968 set up by Derry housing action committee ( A CAMPAIGN FOR CATHOLICS TO ACHIEVE FULL BRITISH CITIZEN RIGHTS) were banned by the Unionist government as the Loyalist Apprentice boys had heard of the civil rights march and decided to have a parade the same day and same time. The march for equal housing, jobs and status (all with factual statistical evidence to support and prove validity of protest) went ahead and soon faced the RUC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H11Ce8mmWM Note no civil rights marchers had any stones, bricks, fireworks, petrol bombs or weapons and were attacked by RUC with 100 injured. The RUC defence was the march was held near a Unionist area and so had potential to cause trouble. Meanwhile the Apprentice boys and Orange order were parading and beating loud drums to the songs of anti nationalist and catholic songs through nationalist areas all across NI with the support of the RUC.
Following protests that year grew leading up to the Peoples Democracy march from Belfast to Derry start of January 69 set up by students at Queens University. The march was attacked by Loyalist mobs in virtually every town on way with the worst at Burntollit when a Loyalist mob including off duty B Specials injured 13 unarmed civil rights protesters. At the end of march the RUC entered the Bogside and attacked catholic homes. In April the RUC stormed into a Bogside residents 'Samuel Devenny' and beat him so bad he died of his injuries a few months later just weeks away from an Apprentice boy sectarian parade past the Bogside that would be escorted by the RUC. On 14th July Catholic Francis Mcclosky (67) was hit on head by RUC and died becoming first victim of NI troubles
Nationalist people vowed to show up the blatant double standards of the Unionist controlled state and its henchmen by protesting an Apprentice boys parade in Aug 69 along the City walls of Derry that led directly past many Nationalist areas including the Bogside. They would put the RUC defence of their assaults on civil rights protesters to the test ' It is ok to march in an area that will not cause trouble or offend ' Civil rights for Nationalist seemed to offend Unionists but Sectarian marches are not meant to offend those they are trying to offend apparently. The Battle of the Bogside commenced from Aug 12 to 14th with 1000 injured with violence spreading to Belfast leading to a Loyalist mob taking the opportunity to burn all the catholic homes along Bombay street. The Irish government had made a statement suggesting it would help defend its people but eventually as the RUC were too stretched the British army were deployed for the first time and the battle ended. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-zQoAHJT6g
The British Army were welcomed by catholic residents in fear the Loyalist B Specials would be deployed with free use of weapons. It became clear that Nationalist/catholics in NI were not to be granted full British citizen rights and attacks by Loyalist mobs, RUC, B Specials were not going to bring any help from the free state Irish government. The Provisional IRA was formed to protect their own communities and 5 months later the Short Strand area of East Belfast was being attacked by a Loyalist gang and in fear of their houses being burned down with them in it the IRA began a gun battle with the Loyalists leaving 6 dead ( 5 Loyalist attackers) No British army or RUC were sent to the Short Strand to help protect catholic residents before IRA launched their first serious attack of troubles. In July 1970 British army battalions , namely Blackwatch ( A Scottish regiment of violent Scottish protestants with a distinct hatred of catholics bred into them from an early age) were sent into the Falls road and after 2 days of rioting 100 weapons, 21000 rounds of ammo and 250 pounds of explosives were found. A drop in the ocean for the British army. A number of Catholic residents and civilians elsewhere in Belfast were killed by the British Army around this period.
Provos organised themselves as Loyalist mobs continued to attack and kill while government forces were starting to realise the scale of problem. The following year of 1971 saw the first significant year in terms of lives lost including a British army attack in Ballymurphy leaving 11 unarmed catholic civilians die. The IRA across the province was now the only means of protecting the ethnic cleansing that had been going on for decades. The start of 1972 ' Bloody Sunday' followed by the lies to the world and tainting of an entire community was what led to an upsurge in anger and viciousness among the IRA leading to the biggest number of casualties of the troubles and decades of conflict.
The IRA never set off to try to establish a United Ireland. The civil rights marchers wanted full British civil rights. These rights were violently opposed with no protection for those without the rights. The IRA were formed to establish protection and when they did so were met with British Army murder squads.
It would be best for those with their facts wrong to obtain the correct info before repeating British propaganda on the subject. As for more catholics being Unionist , surely you're having a laugh there. For along time catholics want to be part of a United Northern Ireland free from UK and Ireland but with close relations being neighbours. This is what was believed to be in the agreement to bring about peace process. It appears some Loyalists had not realised as such and are still opposed to anything being equal. We now see pictures of residents in Short strand being attacked in same way they were attacked that led to the Provos first mission in 1970. There is no provos today and as Alex Maskey said ' if he was a resident of short strand he would throw stones too to protect his house.
Jan 17, 2013 -- 5:54AM, richters wrote:
1.10 thurles Top of the Ra 6/4 to place
Only for Kilmainham jail Top ofthe Ra would have won
Jan 17, 2013 -- 7:13AM, richters wrote:
the question that needs to be asked here is how did the IMPARTIAL bbc let 90% of the audience be filled by these thugs...with rangers jerseys and hoodies.i hope vubiant watched the nolan show....and would poise the question to him does he still blanme the IRA for the chaos......i would also suggest to vubiant to go away and educate himself on the matter before jumping 2 feet deep into the discussion on the basis of reading an article by ultra bigot fintan the tool.....
I doubt many Nationalists would want to travel to show considering there were many protesters outside and inside. It showed them up big style to be very misinformed and simple. The BB?C ,UTV, RTE, SKY News are all the same. They will all come from the same angles they believe will fit their agenda.
Martin McGuinness was rightly outraged that nobody was picking up on the fact Peter Robinson refused to stand side by side with him to condemn violence in same fashion he did with Masserene attack and others. More and more Unionists and Loyalists are being shown to be what they have always been, politically inept and just wrong. They are an embarrassment to ordainary decent protestant people and i guess that is why Aliance is doing so much better in East Belfast as the decent Protestant people want the best for all in their community.
Jan 18, 2013 -- 9:14AM, richters wrote:
i wonder will the wee fat woman from east belfast be shouting thru the broken window of the city hall this weekend........sNOw SURRENDER......