Charles Byrnes

Looked legless on the ground and unless it was sick running I can't see anything else iffy about the run/ride.

I hasten to add-even considering the connections.

Won a 2m 4f Bumper on Heavy ground at Tipp on debut

very disappointing run.arnaud was well supported too and went out like a light.

Looked legless on the ground

Job done so.

some horses were totally out on their feet today ...cheltenham roar ..will i send you on this receipt from the bet last week , or what....

Your fine workrider,No need.
So what u reckon,Realt Dubh a non stayer?im still sure he is,That bang he got when jumping 3 out when he clashed with another horse did for him.

no he simply didn't stay , they're dropping him back in distance tomorrow , says it all imo...ok i'll destroy the evidence so.....

Yes,But he wont be winning tomorrow imo,
Bin it before anyone notices

ok mate ..no prob....that lets norn of the hook...

Won a 2m 4f Bumper on Heavy ground at Tipp on debut

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Today was 3 miles and he was still in it with half a mile to go,are you saying they undercooked him or that the jockey didn't bust a gut?

U said it was the ground that beat him today,but it was bottomless that day in Tipperary.Most horses who win over 20f in bottomless ground would want a trip,so don't see that as being a valid excuse.
Obviously have to be careful what one says but I shall put it this way,I would think he will improve for the run.

I am not pocket talking because I layed the horse,I started a thread on main forum,5 mins before the race called "Chares and Davy".

Over 20f in bottomless ground on debut
That should read

that horse was dead on its feet , barely made it over the line ...

Yes wr I could see that.

I despise the Byrnes malarkey that we have been subject to down the years which was mostly had hand brake utilisation as the modus operandi,short of work the only other thing that I can think of today dj876 because we've established the horse was a spent force in the final straight.

*extra unwanted was in there*^^

The in running betting was very interesting,large amounts at 1.31,1.34,1.38,1.4 while he was still travelling well and I am not talking about 3/4 seconds time advantage, of oncousre punters, utilising the delay in pictures.

dj876 not everything is a conspiracy, quit your pocket talking and get over it

Disappointing run alright as he was beat with a half mile to go,interestingly the winner in hindsight was probably the only one that was certain to get the trip on the ground.
Moscow chief was quite well backed pre-race if memory serves from 1.8 to 1.63 approx.
Not disputing what you are alluding to but would maybe some of it be covering positions from prerace? I didn,t see the i/r on the race,

Not everything is a conspiracy but not everything is all above board either.

Maye the horse just didn't stay who knows?, best keep an eye on how the horse fares over the course of the jumps season, if it lands a gamble over 3 miles on heavy later in the season on heavy ground, then the conspiracy theorists hwould have every right to be suspicious of todays poor performance.

It went from slightly odds on to an S/P of 4/9 at the off in the last few mins before the off so someone had the hots for it.

Just because the horse shortened doesn't mean it was connections money punchestown, the r/up obliged on Tuesday and that might have persuaded a few of the heavy hitters like the fearless Pat Keane to get stuck in.

Didn't infer whose money it was silvergreaser,it could have been Joe Soap's for all I know but you'd imagine the word was out that it was expected to win.

Montablo-Don't see how I could be pocket talking,when I started a thread om main forum titled "Charles and Davy"(second page,12 or so down currently)saying I was laying it before the race was off.

I can't believe others didn't notice the betting in running,all 80's and 90's and then 4/5 4 figure sums became available(most matched)long before Davy asked him at all.

Every ordinary punter afraid to back a horse of Charles Byrnes yet the sneering DJ876 who thinks he is a betting guru is implying that although he was backed from 4/5 to 4/9 0n course and from 1.98 to 1.49 here the stable were not on and may have been laying.
You would wonder who the hell did dj876 think was punting the bejaysus out of Moscow Chief,it cant have been his Nemesis as he is the normal conduit.

Pocket talkers always say they didn't back it. It's easy pick out the same few faces, Charles Byrnes, Davy Russell, Tony Martin etc, but lets be honest they are nearly all at it if you just look close enough. That's how they make the game pay. It's impossible bar you have a stable of world beaters and rich owners in which case you don't necessarily need to pull "strokes". Some people just need to wise up.

Wildman fairly rich of you to be saying that I think I am a betting guru,when you apparently are aware of how the top trainers in Ireland operate and which are in collusion,then again your arrogance holds no bounds,your Noel Meade thread is one of the most ridiculous I have ever seen.

Montablo -read the thread I started before the race.

Not rich at all and you fail to answer who you thought had all the money on Moscow Chief.The weight of money on Ned Buntline would indicate that what i said was right also the Requisition connection would also indicate i was right on the Ballydoyle advisor.
i know you wont be able to bring yourself to say it and it hurts you but i was right.
Your career as a betting advisor has hit the rocks and if you find the Mr X who had all the money on the Byrnes horse keep hold of him and take his bets.

Ned buntline had finished to Jezki in a hot leopardstown bumper,Mullin's has had very few recent runners and the stable is under something of a cloud,so the betting was hardly surprising,of course before this u stated they wouldn't run against each other,but as always when your proved wrong,you just move the goalposts.

You started the Noel Meade thread 2 weeks ago,making all sorts of wild accusations and since then,from his stable, drifters have won and some well backed horses have been beaten,but yet you persevere even though, there is no difference to any other large stable and no doubt you will continue to highlight isolated incidents.

Wildman-I suggest you download some basic trading software,at least you might get some insight of what is actually going on,rather than just dreaming up fairytales.Gruss has a free 30 day trial and if you had been watching the BIR on today's race you would be in a better position to comment.

Wildman I have my doubts that it was Byrnes and his connections that shortened Moscow Chief to 4/9, the horse weakened quickly a long way from home, if this notorious stable were that confident of victory you'd expect the horse to have been at least there fighting it out at the business end of the race wouldn't you?.

I think the easy bumper victory on Tuesday of the r/up from his debut win was a major contributory factor.

The weight of money on Ned Buntline would indicate that what i said was right

Yes, clear and undeniable evidence of a pact   Another case closed, Inspector Clueso.

More cognitive dissonance.

You like that phrase but as I haven't made a reply on this today it must refer to yourself or else you just learned about cognitive dissonance today and are applying it retrospectively.

wildmanfromborneo ,. ....ozy thought cognitive dissonance , was a eygptian god.......