naas

some good horses out here
12.30 operating
ran well lto running a decent sort close if maintaining that form then should go close
1.05 jezki
looks to be one of jessie harringtons stars won lto beating ally,cascade..this will be a lot tougher with welds the main danger
3.50 city slicker nap
was meant to run last year but never made the track has been the subject of strong whispers for a while..meades has the form tho but has been off a while
good luck all

having a bet on my murphy tomorrow ....teelin star will find these fences tricky ...i'll be hard pressed to make the first couple ..have an appointment at the dentist , ....the dentist told me he did a job on boobys mouth recently , he said booby told him he worked at the circus , the lion used to put HIS HEAD IN BOOBYS MOUTH....

Great card tomorrow but two things of interest for me,Strategic Bid is running in the second race he has absolutely no chance and should be beat at least a furlong but this fellow was third behind Sizing Rio and Cops And Robbers beaten 36 lengths so even a remotely decent effort will encourage the Sizing Rio men.
Willie Mullins seems to be taking on a Noel Meade trained favourite in the bumper,Ned Buntline against City Slicker i will believe it when i see it and if they do take each other on one will be unbacked as notes will have been compared.

wildmanfromborneo
im interested in your point in the bumper..you think one of them will pull out? or one will not be backed if they do run?..why?..i understand what your saying and im not saying your wrong i just want to know why you think that..

They seem to have some Faustian pact that they never take each other on in bumpers,normally they just dont run against each other but at the last Naas meeting Road To Riches started his career in a winners bumper over two mile three,Mullins ran Great Jones,Road To Riches backed from 6/4 to 4/6 Great Jones 6/4 out to 7/2 and beaten out of sight.They also seem to carve up the bumpers Meade gets a free run up to Christmas then Mullins takes over and wins them all with a host of odds on chances.
Its not an exact science but there is a pretty clear pattern.

There is I think a gambling connection between the two stables and anytime I mention it I get threats of litigation so have to choose my words carefully.
I also think that if OLeary who doesn't gamble knew the sums being won by laying some of his horses he would be astounded and maybe jealous.

You get threats of litigation as you make statements that you don't seem to have proof off (more your opinion than fact) and if you did threats of litigation would not bother you.

That is how it looks to me anyway, i may be wrong but that's is how i see it from what i've read.

You obviously have never heard of gagging writs.
Surely this is the place for giving your opinion,isint that the point of this place.

Once upon a time I received a letter alleging that. I had libelled Ellen Martin on the betfair forum.

Wow you can say Ellen Martin without the name being blanked.I wonder do they still delete all references to her within the hour.

bloody raining again , it'll be heavy all over by lunch time....

how bad is the rain ? are you close to the track

Borneo, your next provocative thread title can be 'Faustian pact between Mullins and Meade Stables'

If you were a newspaper, you would be the Daily Star.  Your modus operandi is making a controversial statement and presenting it as a fact.  Then defending it till everyone else gets bored debating it with you.

In a nutshell....

All I do is give an opinion,you will notice I use the words"seem to have a Faustian pact" and"it's not an exact science" but it is designed to provoke discussion which is what I thought this place was about.The discussions are not compulsory and can be ignored are you can show me the error of my ways.Thos day last year in the bumper Weld withdrew his horse because he heard late how good Un Atout was,I pointed it out was greeted with derision and was prepared to bet any money that when the Weld horse returned there would be no Mullins horse in opposition there wasn't and when he eventually did win his bumper Mullins ran the worst horse in his stable and he went unbacked.
At least I have made some of you think and tried to alert ye to some betting trends although I accept I am no Keen Leader.
This weekend will reveal the merits of my Cops And Robbers post and if I am proved wrong well sure I am used enough to that,I have backed many losers in my time.

I have great respect for any posts from  wildmanfromborneo.
He is very clued in, and I understand his above post. Furthermore I seem to agree in total with it. In other words he seems to be spot on.


PS...seems =no litigation

Looks very testing there,a stayers day.I'll follow you in with Jezki Tony,stayed lto well and with the weight concession might see it out better than Hisabaat.GL

Good money all morning each way for David Wachmans Pageboy.......gonna chance a few bob ew on it.

There are plenty of facts in racing but unfortunately we can't prove many of them because racings closed shop is almost freemason like, combine this with their real fail safe "horses can't talk", means they can throw threats of litigation around like confetti, fully aware the burden of proof is on you.

Still silvergreaser you can't beat a bit of auld racing gossip in the pub and pick out the bits that suit.

ma and eddie got brown envelopes around the same day!!

I also think that if OLeary who doesn't gamble knew the sums being won by laying some of his horses he would be astounded and maybe jealous.

For a start his huge net worth precludes any such sentiment, and it certainly wouldn't be his style anyway.  Secondly if there was any messing about with any of his horses in terms of horses being pulled deliberately or gambled at somebody else's behest without his knowledge, he would immediately end the relationship with the trainer.

very interesting post there wildman,..ive never herd that before or even noticed it tbh..as never noticeing what you say i find it intriging tbh..im not saying your right,..but also not that your wrong..food for thought..we,ll see later..ive hammerd this mullins horse as ive had a word for it a while ago..apparently the trainer is worried the ground may be to heavy for it..but its suppose to be decent so we,ll see...thanks for the answer wildman..good luck.....
welldone pa..won with his head in his chest..i think he needs this ground tho..but will win a grade 1 sometime this year imo

Cheers tony and well done yourself,he was impressive alright,conditions were all against Hisaabaat(2.1-5.0 on exchanges),lot of tired horses today.
Don,t know about the bumper,your one was an expensive buy alright,Jetki franked the fav,s form.threw a few euro on King William at 70+ for a small interest in it.

"For a start his huge net worth precludes any such sentiment, and it certainly wouldn't be his style anyway.  Secondly if there was any messing about with any of his horses in terms of horses being pulled deliberately or gambled at somebody else's behest without his knowledge, he would immediately end the relationship with the trainer."

His retained rider's brother in law is one of the biggest punters in the country.

Wildman....spot on regarding the betting in the bumper...looks like its meades turn today.

Market knew alright,impressive. He is some size, a huge mothafecka.

WOW well done wildman..but thats a lovely horse of meades..i knew the form was good as it was 2nd to jezki..but he looked a bit of a monster there..i had a e/w bet on mullins when i seen the drift..think he,ll be better on better ground..but not in meades class im afraid

is it fair to ask dj the name of davys bro in law

I'd say the vast majority(including limerick) know who I am on about,Username on here is/was Jimeen

limerick if you dont know who he is you obviously havent attended many race meetings in ireland?

have attended plenty kavvie prob no of the man alright but dont know connection with the jockey.apologise for my ignorance

i didnt mean to be smart.sorry if i offended

i was there today , wildman was again correct , we should pay attention to his reading of markets ....saw mr greenstreet having a word with noel....

i was there today , wildman was again correct , we should pay attention to his reading of markets ....saw mr greenstreet having a word with noel....

none taken.i've seen that reference to davys family connections on here a few times but haven't fully figured it out yet.headin to cheltenham next week mite meet the man there

the horse to take out of naas today ..is my murphy ...note to stewards , he had a lovely gallop today which should have done his confidence the world of good ...

I didn't see the bumper or the betting but it's hardly the surprise money came for Meades in the bumper, he was only collared late on at Leopardstown by Jezki and he looked pretty useless in bolting up in the grade 3 today.


Surely he should have been a strong favourite against the unraced Mullins horse?

at last someone speaks a bit of sense ^^^^^

though i think useless was meant to be useful premier!

Yeah sorry, a bad typo that was

wildbores allegations may get himself into a lot of trouble.

It's disappointing that Premier Fantasy should comment without either  seeing the betting or the race,the betting was significant that Tobywong thought that was the only sensible post on the thread shows how little he understands betting,he probably just dived in without reading the thread.
Ozymandius comments on Michael OLeary are just plain ridiculous,he may have wealth but he runs his racing operation on a similar basis to his business,looking for discounts and other such edges to lower his costs and have no doubt if he discovered the fertile ground being reaped by others he would want a cut.
Dj876 who demands of others names and addresses gets all coy when he is caught trying to impugn an individual he has a set against,his other assertions about there being no betting early on races is also errant nonsense plenty of money on Ned Buntlines this morning a fortune on but he will arbers or bots no real money.

The last line should read.         He will blame arbers or bots no real money

I don,t know Wildman,think the markets on Irish racing can be weak enough early on and you are often better with a book.Can only guess what proportion of  money matched is an actual "bet" but i,d have a gut feeling quite a lot matched is for "trading purposes" whether for a few ticks or for i/r.

Wildman-I have no issue at all with that punter,although he is in a priviliged position regarding the information he receives,he is very shrewd,is on the scene a long time and have not heard of any disgruntled punter who have ever had any issues with him.

I know you understand very little of how the markets work on here but just for interest what was matched on here today 30 mins. prior to the bumper??

I have always acknowledged i lack computer skills but i know how much i got on here this morning and to me it was substantial,surely i cant have been the only one backing him.

I think ye have got this mixed up its not jimeen who is dav'd brother in law but another bookie just as shrewd

DC rather than JD

Ozymandius comments on Michael OLeary are just plain ridiculous,he may have wealth but he runs his racing operation on a similar basis to his business,looking for discounts and other such edges to lower his costs and have no doubt if he discovered the fertile ground being reaped by others he would want a cut.

I have no idea what planet you are on anymore.

Yes,, he squeezes he trainers on fees etc but if you think he thinks he wants to go down the road of laying his horses to make a few quid then you are a complete and utter gobsh!te.

His retained rider's brother in law is one of the biggest punters in the country.

dj876 exactly what point are you trying to make here? 

If you think MOL minds Davy Russell passing on info to this guy about his horses, well I would imagine he's not a bit bothered.  If on the other hand, Russell was found to be pulling them on a regular basis at the behest of this gambler and unbeknown to MOL, then he would never ride for him again.

"or gambled at somebody else's behest without his knowledge, he would immediately end the relationship with the trainer."

Ozy it was in response to the above quote,no suggestion of Davy doing anything untoward on the Giggy horses.

I still don't understand your point dj.

Well that's exactly what is happening with the Youghal firm on a lot of Davy's mounts including the giggy horses.
Obviously O'Leary knows about the connection and it doesn't seem to bother him, so why would he end a relationship with a trainer because others are punting them??

I guess you misunderstood my point.  MOL would have no problem with them being punted.  But if they were being pulled at the behest of a 3rd party and without his knowledge, head would roll very quickly.  I imagine we are on the same page here, just at cross purposes.

Check out the link below ref Russell and a Gigginstown horse, take a look at Russell's right arm looks clearly like he is tugging back firmly on the rein while his left arm is virtually motionless between the final 2 flights, while the fav kicks clear, ever since they scapegoated the Byrnes employee for laying their horses on Betfair, these type of dodgy looking rides from Russell like the one below have dried up considerably, why? maybe they know somebody is watching more closely.



http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=NAV_2009_12_19_01_1215&vaff=16

Yes ozy wires crossed,I can't think of many blatant giggy non triers in the last 5 years.There is some debatable ones like first Leiuetenant at Punchestown but as bad as that looked,I think it was more Davy minding a good horse in terrible ground but still not sure about that one especially with the market beforehand.

Why is it disappointing that i comment without seeing the betting or race?? Should a horse who only got collared late on by a horse that has since gone on to piss up in a grade 3 hurlde race not be favourite to beat an unraced horse??

It is disappointing as the betting was so spectacular,I stated that one would go unbacked and they would lump on the other those two stabled never take each other on.
I punted Ned Buntline at evens and a little less on here because of hos decent form but also fairly confident that the supposed 9/4 shot wasn't a danger however I never expected to be punted to I/3 in a any price a good one scenario
You are a dog man if the two of the bigger stables combined forces for punting and when their dogs raced against each other they all lumped on one of them would that be desirable,it would also make for some very short priced favourites

looking back wildmanfromborneo , i think i might pinpoint the time both trainers realized they were using to much ammo against each other ,it was a navan fixture a few years ago ..noels lot backed realt dubh off the boards , willie came and did it with mikel.....i was there that day , they both came down off the steps , i'd say they both thought , why do this ...the result is what you have described ....imo...

Probably correct and I think the gentleman you saw talking to Meade is the organiser and main beneficiary.

Any views on who shot JFK?

But its all a conspiracy guys, the sun shines out of their behinds!

Did any of you actually watch the link?

Ozy was it not Lee harvey Ozwmadnuisenz that took out JFK

I've never forgot that race, not that I lost that much money, I'm a score punter, but that race stank, in running dream for the theives.

Sunday Naas...............A few early fancies


2.40 Upsie

3.10 Hans Crescent nr=fav
3.10 Uncle Tom Cobley ew

Sunday Naas...............A few early fancies


2.40 Upsie

3.10 Hans Crescent nr=fav
3.10 Uncle Tom Cobley ew
3.10 Barneys Honour

3.40 Drishogue Boy



The 2.10 Opera Hat Novice S`chase is a simple choice between Mikael D'Haguenet & Buckers Bridge.

Naas is to hold a 7.30am inspection tomorrow morning ahead of its fixture.

Naas is off