Mark Clattenburg and the Precious Protected Species

It has been decreed by a liberal elite that racism is now the worst crime of all,name calling is worse than violence.This mantra has been drilled into ordinary people in a Goebbels like way that not only do they believe it but they have turned blacks into precious snivelling idiots.Anton Ferdinand who made vile remarks and gestures to John Terry but was then " hurt and upset " when Terry used the word black,they now perceive themselves as victims whose feelings are constantly being hurt.
The nadir has now been reached with the referee Clattenburg who was accused of using inappropriate language being investigated by the police,he used inappropriate language to two players but as one was white it doesn't matter(classic liberal racism) now Mikel claims he was racially abused so the unfortunate Clattenberg now is probably facing criminal proceedings.
That this trump card has been given to black players is rank stupidity that they are playing it nearly every hand is wrong.
It is only a matter of time when during a vital game a team that are losing by two goals will walk off citing racial abuse thus earning a replay,this has to stop there is no crime that can only be committed by the whites and against a certain group it is an invention of wooly minded people determined to destroy Western culture.

He may be a poor referee but the point is to get their point across they play the racism card,this elevation of a particular group to untouchable status is having disastrous results for them they are going around like Victorian spinsters being offended all the time.

Well we don't what was said so you can't make a comment saying that he's played the race card. I'm sure someone will break it in the next few days. To be fair i can't remember too many Black players falsely accusing another player of being racist. Black do have a history of being racially abused and discriminated against Wildman.

They are not discriminated in football.
The comical element of this was the statement thatvClattenburg used inappropriate language to two players but as one was white it doesn't matter.

Are you sure about that, How many black players have you seen manage a club in the EPL or in any league for that matter?

The rumour i heard is that Clattenburg said something like "Well you won't be winning today" to Mata, interesting what else he said but the first thing is a stupid thing to say, why say it if he said it?

Is Chris Hughton not black enough for you,Terry Connor was a big success at Wolves think Paul Ince and John Barnes were just failures.
There is a distinct lack of English managers now is that discrimination.

Rumour going around that an Asian gambling crowd had huge stakes on a Man Utd victory and fingers are been pointed at the referee.

It doesn't just happen in Italian football, ffs they raise the weights in Irish racing to accomodate one individual at a whim. corruption is all around us!.

Terry Connor didn't win a single EPL game in 14 matches as caretaker manager of Wolves IIRC.

Well done Silvergreaser you managed to get your OBrien obsession on this thread.
Was that referee in financial trouble before?
I am sure Rocketfingers will be able to update us on this Asian market slant.

wildman I never shirk from the truth, only I'm not allowed tell it?

I am not doubting you but I think you are wrong about the OBriens and feel it is eating away at you which is a pity as your racing analysis when you do it is generally top class.

It was never about the O'Briens, it was the integrity of the people that run Irish racing that has always galled me, imo they're stinking.

If ever an investigative journalist fancied a story look no further than the people who run Irish racing, "best seller".

Certainly the Brosnan Coolmore connection worth looking at,you only have to look at the shenanigans in the Irish National stud to realise the potential for villainy.

Thats it wildman the Brosnan influence was like an all consuming cloak, as long as a certain conglomerate were satisfied, and they were accomodated in spades, shush!.

Borneo, I think I will swerve this discussion. You know my views.  I will agree with you that the race card is being overplayed at the moment.  However, I think you lack appreciation of and sensitivity towards the core issue.  Let us not enter a debate on the subject again.

On a tangential note, Paul Ryan the US VP candidate is a Tipperary man (grandfather or great grandfather, can't remember).  Where does he hail from and is bunting being prepared?  He may well be the main candidate in the next election if the Republicans don't succeed this time.

There was an excellent article in last weeks Sunday Times (21-Oct-12) along a similar vein to the OP. Basically the journalist was asking why racial chants/abuse etc are given so much prominence over other abuse from the terraces. All across Europe people are calling for Serbia to be sanctioned and/or banned for the racial abuse meted out to England's U21 black players. While I agree that sanctions should be imposed why are other incidents of abuse from the terraces being tolerated/accepted by the football community. A few days after the Serbia match, Leeds fans spent most of the match taunting the Sheffield Wednesday manager Dave Jones over allegations of child abuse which occurred almost 13 years previously, charges where he was completely exonerated by the trial judge (at least one of the victims has subsequently been found to have completely fabricated their claim against Jones). One Leeds fan then punched the Sheffield Wednesday goalkeeper just after Leeds equalised. At the end of the match Leeds players then went over to the Leeds fans to applaud them for their support! At the same match, Wednesday fans sang several songs about former Leeds fan, Jimmy Saville. Yet there has not been one call for sanctions against either club for these incidents.

The title of this thread is at best inappropriate.

Agreed.

Ozymandius that is a genuine response and one I admire,it is possible to vehemently disagree with someone yet respect them.
With a name like Ryan he had to have Tipp connections but I have yet to hear where he allegedly hails from,they now go back so far it is nearly meaningless.I don't live far from Moneygall which I always thought was in Tipperary but when Obama came to town those Offaly lads nicked our town,with Reagan hailing from Ballyporeen it is only a matter of time we will be changing Tipperary from being the home of hurling to the home of American presidents.
Db1974 the Leeds fans were chanting pro Saville songs one was "Jimmy Savile is Leeds he can shag who he wants" unpleasant stuff but tribalism and hard to eliminate.
The Icchantika why is the title inappropriate ?

Kilkenny are trying to do an Offaly and muscle in on your glory, Borneo.

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/-The-Paul-Ryan-American-dream----fleeing-famine-in-Ireland-to-Vice-Presidential-ticket--166091386.html#ixzz2AmXpFKrM

“It goes back five generations to the potato famine.”

"James Ryan came over and settled in Rock County."

The elder Ryan brother went on to explain that their family most likely hail from County Tipperary, but there is a possibility they hail from Kilkenny.

It's got like a redress board loads of claimants.

So Paul Ryan hails from a family who did a runner when times were tough. Not the best genes for a US President I would have thought!

That statement would apply to all Irish emigrants,'twas the tough times caused them all to leave.
Anyone else think Chelsea are mad pursuing this,it seems to me like a fit of pique.If it is found to be a fabrication they will surely face severe sanctions,if it is found to be true and Clattenborg is kicked out of refereeing it will only show the contrast of treatment between him and Terry,it is an absolute no win situation for them.Also their assailing of the referee after the match is a bad precedent he almost seems to have been under siege in his changing room.

Because it is a racial slur and has no place in modern society. Stick to conversing with your fellow 66 year olds.

^ The icchantika didn,t you once refer to the people of Cork as "pigs", hypocrisy and two facedness of the highest order in my opinion.

A bit ageist too has that a place in modern society.
It is not a racial slur as given people special protection is an inverted form of racism,if we are all equal then no need for special rules for favoured groups.

.....are you a racist wildmanfromborneo?.....

It depends on your definition,if by racist you mean thinking your race superior to another then no but if you mean having preferences for races then yes.
It is a term now so devalued that it is just a term of abuse aimed at groups you don't like.The modern trend is globalisation this is market led for this to succeed you must crush any nationalism ergo all nationalists are racists this is why the European Union are trying to eliminate all differences,our currency is gone our system of weights and measures gone and if we had restored our language they would be gunning for that as well.
I admire the British as a race,unpopular here I know but heck that's just how I feel,I don't admire the French and don't like them,is that criminal behaviour it's just a viewpoint but one the thought police would try to stop me from having.

sometimes i feel our friend feel the need to please everyone , its amazing if you analyze something like politics .....left wingers have a need to embrace everyone , welcoming all and sundry into their countries , right wingers , are people who have shall we say , the locals at heart ....yet every human being has the same emotions , some fear hate , others violence , human emotions ,how it can destroy lives , a left winger might hate a right winger   , yet is unable to see his hatred , but he is able to see hatred in others ....there is racism in every nation under the sun , its not just a white thing ,have a little look at a certain dictator in africa ....yet none of our left wing friend ever mention mr magabe ....his hatred of the white race is legendary ..yet not a words of disapproval has been aired on here by our left wing friends....a man who has starved and killed many of his own people ...yet silence ...but wait a minute , ozy , the icch , etc find the use of a few ill chosen words by someone , and hey presto they become ,well , hurt is that only word that springs to mind ..they come on here all guns blazing to defend a black person who allegedly wornged by a few words...says it all really...forget about those been tormented by starvation by one of their own ...

I am not defending anyone. Wildman has some clearly racist views, and the title of this thread is pretty disgusting to anyone with half a brain.

I did indeed brand Cork people that pa lapsy in a moment of levity, some years ago now. You clearly took it to heart as you felt the need to report me, for which I received my only ever betfair forum warning- a pig... and a grass!!

There was no levity whatsoever,and of course i did take it to heart,you weren,t reported by me however,the moderater probably deemed your comments rightly unacceptable.

Well comsider us even then. I am hugely offended by your awful punctuation. I won't report you though.

hello!so pp pa is the forum's snitch.......a bitter little man

comsider?

Alanis Morrissette would have loved that one!

All the intolerance on this thread come from the liberals,the chief culprit being the Icchantika,they just can't stand differing opinions.
The Icchantika has the usual array of insults anyone that disagrees with him are morons or retards,he also managed to repeat a previous insult by calling the patently decent Pa Lapsy a pig and a grass and then followed it up in Thegalwayman like fashion by complaining in his superior way about punctuation.

Never called anyone a moron, and would certainly never all anyone a retard, but then again I am not the sort of man who regards a different race as a different species. You're a racist and spouting nonsense about liberal agendas does nothing to change that. I have no further comment to make on your prejudices.

You certainly called me both a moron and a retard but I don't mind,anyone that disagrees with you has half a brain.
I didn't intend the opening post to be insulting and I was using the lingo of conservationists without meaning it in a bad way,I think you well understood what I meant but chose like all liberals to misinterpret to stifle opposition and this constant calling everyone racist if they dare question the modern day tyranny.
Two polish young lads were murdered in a brutal fashion in Dublin a screwdriver was driven through their skulls,a member of a race industry quango stated he hoped it wasn't a race crime as if that would make it worse.

The icchantika,you,re unreal,you are still giving the holier than thou attitude.Woe betide anyone whose wording isn,t to your liking and you think its acceptable to call your own people from a different part of the country pigs.Quite sickening actually and the height of hypocrisy.

The fall-out from the game reffed by Mark Clattenburg is going to be very interesting, with his linesmen supporting him to the hilt.I agree with wildman in that its all gone too far, not only in football, but in society in general.Mark Clattenburg is contemplating legal action, and and that would be a very interesting situation for Chelski FC.
Lapsy pa keep posting ignore the venom. Most on here know, and understand your a decent guy.

Is The Iccantika another username of The Galwayman?I have a vague recollection that there could be a connection.

I did not call you either of those things. You clearly have me mixed up with someone else.

I don't understand your reaction to what I have posted here lapsy pa. Do you really think that my branding of Cork people as pigs on a thread several years ago bears comparison with the contention here that black people are a different species?

tomi , imo he is also , robo bobbybacola , and a few others ..notice they all appear at the same time on the same thread ...

It is bares not bears,as you are a bit fussy about that kinda thing,It is very simple,of course it bares comparison you are prepared to brand the Cork people under the species Swine,there is nothing wrong in the op,s heading and you are making it out in the worst possible manner which i believe is more a figure of speech and probably is meant in the same context as in "endangered species".
Won,t it be more in your line to apologise to the people of Cork after all this time?

It might be bears alright.

This is now a truly fantastic thread.

Are these the sharp minds Betfair used to speak of in their advertising? Am I really being castigated by my fellow forumites for pointing out the racist nature of wildman's posts? Is racism acceptable to you lads? I agree that too much is being made of what is going on in British football of late, and it has gotten to the point where it is downright annoying. However, I don't like the nature of some of wildman's posts, and that is what I have taken issue with.

lapsy pa, a comment that I made has clearly troubled you greatly over a number of years. As such, if you need me to apologise so that you can rest easy, I will consider doing so, but only under the appropriate circumstances. I propose that I am presented to the people of Cork on the site of the old sugar factory in Mallow. I will then issue an apology from the stage, at which point I would like an apology from Cork for shooting Michael Collins. I will obviously need a guarantee of my safety if this is to go ahead. Perhaps a Popemobile type vehicle could be arranged.

I post on here as The Icchantika, workrider, Tolmi, Eye Mall Inn, Blessington, Center Field, silvergreaser and a few other names.

I am with you on the racism front, no doubt Icchantika.

I have debated the subject ad nauseum with the OP on several other threads and frankly cant be bothered to involve myself in a repeat of the conversation.  His views are entrenched and he, as in several other threads, posts a controversial thread title to provoke replies and avert his loneliness.  Best avoided imo.

Personally I think that certain people look for racism everywhere and find it in places/comments where it doesn't really exist. Who here can look at themselves and stand up with hand-on-heart and say that they have never laughed at or relayed a joke in private which would be considered racist or offensive if it was made public.

I can see why some people may find wildman's thread title slightly racist although it was not meant to cause offense IMO so does that mean that it is still racist.

If the use of the "n" word is considered racist then why is it acceptable for blacks to use it but not whites. Either the term is racist or it is not? Is it acceptable for me to call a fellow Irishman a "thick Paddy" but not acceptable for someone from England to do so? It doesn't make sense. Is it OK for me to call someone an "English so-and-so"? You never hear of anyone being called racist for using that term. If I call someone a "fooking bastard" then that's ok but if I say "Polish bastard" then I'm a racist!

ESPN took some flak last year for using the headline "No C-h-i-n-k in his armour" for an article about Jeremy Lin, the Chinese basketball player. But the phrase is not a racist one, it is in fact a commonly used phrase. However some sections of the US media and some communities decided that they were offended by the phrase because the term C-h-i-n-k could be regarded as a derogatory term for a Chinese person. But surely unless ESPN meant offense by the phrase then no offense can be taken, except by the over-zealous

The problem is that we have been conditioned by the media to see hidden meaning and hidden insults and problems in every turn-of-phrase. Since when did racism become the greatest crime that mankind can perpetuate on his fellow man?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggardly

Remember your comment rather than being troubled by it,i,ve better things to be doing than taking things said on a forum to heart,on what basis did you make that comment for anyway?

db1974 , very succinctly put , its gone totally overboard imo....

I don't know why I am disappointed in Ozymandius but he is wrong in asserting the thread title was deliberately provocative,Pa Lapsy has it right.
You can over analyse anything and The Icchantike or TheGalwayman are just trying to put me on the defensive by levelling charges for me to be in the LBJ role,but there is a danger in doing what you are both doing,it doesn't bother me too much but it is used to stifle free speech.
Everything that is said nowadays can be misconstrued as an insult to some group and you have people scouring papers looking for these insults,there are quangos with highly paid members ready to attack some unfortunate whose views they don't agree with by labelling him ageist or unfeeling or racist.Enda Kenny used ironically against the most politically correct of all Vincent Browne and he did unfairly,Brownes comment that Kenny should get a revolver and a dark room was never fully serious and Kenny knew it yet he feigned insult on behalf of all people affected by suicide,that was bogus louts like the assertions of The Icchantika and Ozymandius.

Fifth word last line.       JUST

findthevalue     07 Nov 12 13:53 
the black laywers society are after spurs now


Spurs defend fans on alleged abuse
Last Updated: November 7 2012, 12:50 GMT
Tottenham have defended their fans after the Society of Black Lawyers threatened to make a complaint to police over their claims anti-Semitic abuse is taking place at White Hart Lane

The group behind the push for a black players' union have put forward a 10-point plan they think will help combat racism in football.

The group want to give referees the power to call off games if there is racial abuse from the terraces and they want any player who is guilty of racism to be sacked.

The organisation have also claimed they will report any fans heard singing anti-Semitic songs at the home of Tottenham to the police.

Although widely recognised as an insult, some Spurs fans proudly call themselves 'Yids' or 'Yiddos' and chant 'Yid army' at games as an act of defiance to those who discriminate against the club's large Jewish following.

Peter Herbert, who chairs the Society of Black Lawyers says this is not acceptable.

He said: "It does not make a difference if it is Tottenham fans doing the chants or away fans - if they continue to do it we will report it to the police.

"There has to be zero tolerance and if that catches out Spurs then so be it."

Asked about Jewish fans themselves singing the chant, he said: "That's not acceptable either."

He added: "If neither Tottenham FC nor the FA are willing to take a stand then SBL will report the matter to the Metropolitan Police Service for investigation and, if necessary, prosecution.

"The report will be made if this behaviour does not cease by 20 November. We will have monitors in attendance to observe what occurs."

Spurs responded to Herbert's claims by defending their supporters and pointing out that their fans have in the past been subjected to taunts about the Holocaust.

"Our position on this topic is very clear," a Tottenham statement read.

"The club does not tolerate any form of racist or abusive chanting. Our guiding principle in respect of the 'Y-word' is based on the point of law itself - the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used i.e. if it is used with the deliberate intention to cause offence.

"This has been the basis of prosecutions of fans of other teams to date.

"Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant amongst themselves.

"The club believes that real anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to simulate the noise of gas chambers is the real evil and the real offence. We believe this is the area that requires a determined and concerted effort from all parties and where we seek greater support to eradicate."

Racism has been a burning issue within the game over the last few weeks.

Chelsea captain John Terry was banned for four matches for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand - although he was cleared of criminal charges - and two weeks ago the Blues became embroiled in another race row when they accused referee Mark Clattenburg of using "inappropriate language" towards their midfielder John Obi Mikel.

The language Clattenburg is alleged to have used is understood to have been interpreted as being racist.

The referee, who denies the claim, should be suspended while the FA and the police are conducting an investigation in to the matter, the SBL say.

A statement from the organisation read: "The SBL expresses serious concern that the FA has not suspended (Clattenburg) in light of the allegations of racial abuse he faces.

"Suspension is commonly used in employment situations where allegations of misconduct are made where a person's integrity and responsibility is open to question.

"This is partly to preserve the position of the person under investigation and would be in the interests of a referee in these circumstances to ensure he is not subject to false allegations in what is clearly a highly charged environment.

"Suspension does not signal any guilt at all."

Clattenburg did not referee a game last weekend and will not do so again this week so he can concentrate on helping the FA and the police with their enquiries.


i guess wildmanfromborneo is proved right , a classic tale of the minority telling the majority what to do....findthevalue     07 Nov 12 13:53 
the black laywers society are after spurs now


Spurs defend fans on alleged abuse
Last Updated: November 7 2012, 12:50 GMT
Tottenham have defended their fans after the Society of Black Lawyers threatened to make a complaint to police over their claims anti-Semitic abuse is taking place at White Hart Lane

The group behind the push for a black players' union have put forward a 10-point plan they think will help combat racism in football.

The group want to give referees the power to call off games if there is racial abuse from the terraces and they want any player who is guilty of racism to be sacked.

The organisation have also claimed they will report any fans heard singing anti-Semitic songs at the home of Tottenham to the police.

Although widely recognised as an insult, some Spurs fans proudly call themselves 'Yids' or 'Yiddos' and chant 'Yid army' at games as an act of defiance to those who discriminate against the club's large Jewish following.

Peter Herbert, who chairs the Society of Black Lawyers says this is not acceptable.

He said: "It does not make a difference if it is Tottenham fans doing the chants or away fans - if they continue to do it we will report it to the police.

"There has to be zero tolerance and if that catches out Spurs then so be it."

Asked about Jewish fans themselves singing the chant, he said: "That's not acceptable either."

He added: "If neither Tottenham FC nor the FA are willing to take a stand then SBL will report the matter to the Metropolitan Police Service for investigation and, if necessary, prosecution.

"The report will be made if this behaviour does not cease by 20 November. We will have monitors in attendance to observe what occurs."

Spurs responded to Herbert's claims by defending their supporters and pointing out that their fans have in the past been subjected to taunts about the Holocaust.

"Our position on this topic is very clear," a Tottenham statement read.

"The club does not tolerate any form of racist or abusive chanting. Our guiding principle in respect of the 'Y-word' is based on the point of law itself - the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used i.e. if it is used with the deliberate intention to cause offence.

"This has been the basis of prosecutions of fans of other teams to date.

"Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant amongst themselves.

"The club believes that real anti-Semitic abuse such as hissing to simulate the noise of gas chambers is the real evil and the real offence. We believe this is the area that requires a determined and concerted effort from all parties and where we seek greater support to eradicate."

Racism has been a burning issue within the game over the last few weeks.

Chelsea captain John Terry was banned for four matches for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand - although he was cleared of criminal charges - and two weeks ago the Blues became embroiled in another race row when they accused referee Mark Clattenburg of using "inappropriate language" towards their midfielder John Obi Mikel.

The language Clattenburg is alleged to have used is understood to have been interpreted as being racist.

The referee, who denies the claim, should be suspended while the FA and the police are conducting an investigation in to the matter, the SBL say.

A statement from the organisation read: "The SBL expresses serious concern that the FA has not suspended (Clattenburg) in light of the allegations of racial abuse he faces.

"Suspension is commonly used in employment situations where allegations of misconduct are made where a person's integrity and responsibility is open to question.

"This is partly to preserve the position of the person under investigation and would be in the interests of a referee in these circumstances to ensure he is not subject to false allegations in what is clearly a highly charged environment.

"Suspension does not signal any guilt at all."

Clattenburg did not referee a game last weekend and will not do so again this week so he can concentrate on helping the FA and the police with their enquiries.