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By:
SHANEBOY_FANTASY_WINS_2011_IRISH_DERBY
When: 23 Sep 12 19:44
RE(2): Nice call on the Champs league Tremble mate
Sep 21, 11:17AM

Go for it i'll tear you a new one.

From SHANEBOY_FANTASY_WINS_2011_IRISH_DERBY on Sep 21, 10:57AM:
.....At least i am not a lieing fantastist loser like yourself..i will put a thread up between me and you and we can tip and see who is ahead at the end of the month..come on big man i guarantee you won't be in profit..i probably won't be you won't be either.....

From Rocketfingers on Sep 19, 01:31AM:
lol :D




.....there you go LIARfingers.....
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 19:57
Laugh Shame you did not think of that the first time, Shameboy, dumbest liar on here.

It sums you up as well when you admitted you want a pick's comp again one of the best gamblers on here and you said you were no good LaughLaughLaughLaugh

The futility and total time waste this would have involved for a busy man like me never entered your little mushy pea of a brain.
By:
kavvie
When: 23 Sep 12 20:15
rocket your a gas man.it was plain to be seen after the game all the donegal lads shaking hands with the mayo lads.jim mcguinness shock every one of their hands...a manly game played by men.no diving or trying to get their opponents carded.i seen a cup final the other nite shamrocks and some other non entity team..big crowd at it.id say there were more stewards manning the jacks in croker today than were at it.!!
By:
Monte Christo
When: 23 Sep 12 20:21
As a Derry man reckon you share the misgivings we both have about our current wearers of our respective jersies .  Think we would have contested 4 finals  with you in a row back in early nineties when we were ( possibly equally)the best around , if the back door stuff had more or less ensured that the 2 best teams appeared in the final irrespective of provincial considerations . One of that Down team proferred that last night to me when we were watching the RTE program . Couldn't argue with him ( not if you have 2 medals to show ).

Hi Kelly

Those were heady times indeed.I remember the 1994 Ulster Championship game against your boys too well.CryThat was perhaps the best game I've been at to be honest.

Always wondered what would have happened if the back door system had existed back then.

I'm hoping for a repeat win next year as Derry always win Sam the following year after Donegal.Laugh

Sadly our county team at the minute is in a right mess.

As for Donegal I thought they fully deserved to win today.They always seemed to be in control after the early blitz and Mayo were always trying to force things after that.

The celebrations have begun and there will be some party in the coming weeks.
By:
irishro
When: 23 Sep 12 20:30
Rocketfingers-you've single handledly destroyed this forum. Every Donegal man shook hands with their opposite number. Not the greatest game but stop picking holes in every single thing GAA. And we also noticed the hurling reference-that's just a soft cover up for when you get grief about the general bile you spout about GAA on here. As I said before what's wrong with enjoying all sport-no need for comparisons at every turn.
By:
Monte Christo
When: 23 Sep 12 20:36
As I said before what's wrong with enjoying all sport-no need for comparisons at every turn.

Good post irishro.

Too much personal abuse on here now imo.Sad
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 20:36
Kavvie the crowd that was at it does not make the game any better, shocking bad game. Donegal were bad sports, no matter what game you shake the other teams hands within a few seconds of it being over, Donegal had the cup and there still no sign of a handshake. That game was way to cynical and lots of diving in it to.
By:
GANT007
When: 23 Sep 12 20:47
You cant beat live TV to catch you out........I take it you didn't watch the game.
The Sunday Game will prove you wrong again.........A very emotional day for Donegal people......Well done..
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 20:55
Gant there was no handshake unless they done 15 minutes after the final whistle which is a strange time to do it. I wanted Mayo to win it as i have lots of Donegal neighbours and they'll be hard to listen  to for a while. I thought the game was very poor too much cynical stuff and Irishro just because you're not a fan of hurling does not mean it's not a better game. The hurling final was a million times better than all that hand passing lark. Anyway if you enjoyed it fair play but no idea how you could. Actually both semi finals were better than the final.
By:
GANT007
When: 23 Sep 12 21:39
Finals are about winning and it doesn't matter how you win........Hurling is by far the best field sport in the world by a long shot.
Each to their own rocketfingers........A few people sneered at the Bray/Sligo match on Fiday.........I didn't know it was live so can't comment.
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 22:08
And rightfully so it was a bad match, but i don't get offended or go so defensive when someone called it a poor match. I'm entitled to my opinion and i thought the fianl was very poor as did a lot of people are allowed to sneer at this match today.
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 22:17
Irishro & gant, the Sunday game just saying not a good match as well which they're really saying it was brutal. Take off the blinkers lads, freedom of speech et al.
By:
GANT007
When: 23 Sep 12 22:20
Delighted for Donegal it shows hard work does pay off.......Thet will some homecoming tomorrow evening.........Real sports fans would never sneer to be fair.
By:
GANT007
When: 23 Sep 12 22:23
Both of us said and I agree it wasn't the best of games..........tune in.
The occasion was superb.
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 22:27
Ah ya i was home watching it on my tv so just talking about the game. Anyway enough of that some of the real stuff is on now with MOTD2 now.
By:
GANT007
When: 23 Sep 12 22:33
You can't beat the real stuff........The Real Madrid game was called off someone cut the power cables to the lights and turnstiles.
By:
lustrumm
When: 23 Sep 12 22:52
TBH I thought it was a poor spectacle and could not agree that the "occasion" was good for the game. In fact the only memorable event in the whole day for me was the first goal which was an example of how Football Should (and can be played)
I didn't bother watching the Sunday Game but I can't imagine the re-run of the game took any more than 10 minutes.
By:
richters
When: 23 Sep 12 23:29
can i just add that micheal murphy the man of the match today carried himself awful well both on and off the field...for a 23 year old he is a credit to his parents his county and indeed his country.....and as for this fantasist rockethead commenting on the gaa.....all i can say is......you have not got a clue you fkn IMBECILE.....and trust me IMBECILE is the only word that describes you......
By:
steeringjobnap
When: 23 Sep 12 23:41
I actually thought the first half was very entertaining.

Donegal started like a train but I liked the way Mayo fought back in the game which some nicely-taken scores.

The best team certainly won. The Murphy goal was a screamer.
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 23 Sep 12 23:59
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can i just add that micheal murphy the man of the match today carried himself awful well both on and off the field...for a 23 year old he is a credit to his parents his county and indeed his country.....and as for this fantasist rockethead commenting on the gaa.....all i can say is......you have not got a clue you fkn IMBECILE.....and trust me IMBECILE is the only word that describes you......

The irony of this post from the genius that is forumite richters is brilliant and shouting it too Laugh
By:
Kelly
When: 24 Sep 12 00:41
Great result for Donegal who played well . Everybody in Donegal will be celebrating  , rightly so .

Referee was not great , and some of the players on both sides must have come off the field shaking their heads about that .  Pity when you have been training and practising most of the year and they cant give you a decent referee .  Did not affect the result , just diminished the occasion .

Obvious from the first attack that Mayo had got it wrong in marking Murphy . No idea why they did not switch someone else onto him  pronto, as he is one of the Donegal dangermen on an individual basis .

Some of the Mayo forwards also lacked the physicality to withstand a decent challenge in the air or when trying to beat a man . Had lost their forward leader in the quarter final though , showed today ( but why not in the semi-final ? ) .

Disappointed overall with Mayo , thought they played much better in the rest of the campaign , but it raises questions about the standard of those they beat . Or maybe they just did a little "freezing "today . Those close to the team will know as against us "hurlers on the ditch " .

Expected a good game today , that it wasn't - as most seem to agree on here  , but you cant knock the winners on a day like today .
By:
Rocketfingers
When: 24 Sep 12 01:05
Kelly do you think this Donegal 'system' will go on to dominate for a few years?
By:
Kelly
When: 24 Sep 12 01:36
Unsure about that Rocketfingers .  The trouble about systems is that they evolve from the players at the managers disposal ( and sometimes like with  Maurice Fitz the managers ignore the individual players capabilities ).  If you have 15 short arses in your team you are not going to play catch and kick , and if you have really skilful footballers / forwards ( mainly) you are not going to play the basketball game .

Most of the really good teams have had some outstanding players who would have stood out in any generation .  The recent trend though has been to "sacrifice" the skilful footballers for the greater ( collective ) good . As regards individual skills , a lot of the current county players do not have basic footballing skills such as shooting , beating a man , hand to toeing  , high catching ability , tackling properly .  They all can run forever , and handpass , and have good upper body physiques  .  Unfortunately the hand passing / possession thing has become "system " football for some counties , partly because its relatively easy to do and you can train most players to do those things fairly competently .  And you become hard to beat ( and watch often  , like Donegal were LAST YEAR ) .

A lot of the counties and managers seem to have forgotten that if 4 men are tackling the one player ( bottled up as they say ) , 3 other players are unmarked . Trick is to get the ball to one of those unmarked men .  Quickly .

The best teams for me have always been those who can move the ball quickly , accurately , and create chances for their skilful forwards ( sometimes big "targetmen " are an integral part of that "system " to win possession and to lay off to a scorer ) .  Donegal did that fairly well today , Mayo did not , and had no target men up front .

And the good teams generally always scored goals . Crowds and team mates love to see the net bulge , like Murphys splendid one today , simple and beautiful .
By:
paddletoe
When: 24 Sep 12 11:36
I have to say Donegal have adapted this defensive counter attacking system to perfection but its a system based on total team collective fitness and for them to maintain that after they have won an all ireland is very unlikely especially when you have a team lacking in any truly great players.

Regarding the point that if three or four players are surrounding one player from the other team you would naturally think that there must be space somewhere else but the problem is Donegal dont pressure the opposition deep. They do it in their own half and the number of players in tat confined area makes it hard to find any space even if you can offload because there are another group of players right on top of you again.

In galeic there will be a lot of times when several players are not active in the play in certain parts of the pitch. What Donegal do is utilise all their players at all times so there is 100% effort and contribution from nearly all their players in active play so finding space is very difficult.
By:
kavvie
When: 24 Sep 12 11:42
their levels of fitness have to be incredible.fair dues to them.i would say that they have at least 3 "stars" for certain murphy mcfadden and lacey?they would get their place on any team in ireland.
By:
paddletoe
When: 24 Sep 12 11:53
With every strategy there is always a counter strategy. The problem is that the counter strategy to the one Donegal use is to use a similar strategy and the problem with that is that the teams with better individual ball players are unlikley to be willing to scarifice football skills for fitness and the team collective in the same way as Donegal. It has taen Donegal two years of total dedication to fitness taraining and upper body conditioning to get where they are. The problem is thats easier to ask from players with less footballing skills than it is to ask from players who are more skillful.
I do think we are witnessing an evolution in gaelic football and we will never get back to the days of 15 players from each team playing in their traditional positions.
By:
lustrumm
When: 24 Sep 12 12:00
Confirming guys that Donegal won't dominate anything. Too one dimensional and won in a bad year.

The curse for Mayo goes on. How many left to die from that 51 team ?
By:
kavvie
When: 24 Sep 12 12:00
it looks like ur right.every team will try to adapt some of it to an extent.its gonna be funny looking at teams trying it who wont be able to carry it out due to lack of conditioning and fitness!!
By:
kavvie
When: 24 Sep 12 12:00
that thought struck me lustrumm but its not pc to ask!!
By:
paddletoe
When: 24 Sep 12 12:02
Mc Fadden, Murphy and a few other Donegal players are better than good. But i would struggle to call them better than very good players. They definately have not any great players under my understanding of great.
But from a management point of view i think Jim Mc Guiness has achieved more than any other manager in recent history in getting this group of players to win an all ireland and not only win it but do it so comfortably. The total domination of all their matches this year was not reflected by how many points they won games by.
By:
thegalwayman
When: 24 Sep 12 12:35
Karl Lacey is a great player by anyone's definition of the word.
By:
Monte Christo
When: 24 Sep 12 12:55
Confirming guys that Donegal won't dominate anything. Too one dimensional and won in a bad year.

Bit of sour grapes there perhaps.Grin

They retained ulster (no mean feat) beating derry,tyrone and down.Then put Kerry,Cork and Mayo to the sword but only because they were bad.Laugh
By:
Monte Christo
When: 24 Sep 12 12:58
If some of the Donegal players played for some of the "bigger" counties the media would be creaming themselves over them.

The continued lack of credit to the best team in the country is a little bizarre.
By:
freddiek
When: 24 Sep 12 13:03
i thought Donegal got plenty of praise this year. Sure Jim mcGuinness must be one of the greatest managerial geniuses of all time, the way they go on about their tactics and game plan. Maybe the media recognised they were a bit harsh on them in 2011
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 24 Sep 12 13:04
Donegal are All Ireland Champions and deservedly so,they beat the four best teams in the country,it's great to see Sam moving around.
The complaints about the standard of football are laughable when the complainants are watching scoreless draws without a murmur.
By:
bobbybocala
When: 24 Sep 12 13:06
gaelic football is now a load of old bollloxx......the rules make it so......they need to make changes but they wont.....because they will be too stubborn to do so......what needs to happen is that only one hand pass is allowed......if you receive a hand pass then you hav to kick......easy to understand and easy to govern.......no score can be attained by the hand......therefore no fisting over the bar and no palming into the net......after all it is football and not handball or palmball or throwball.....
By:
Monte Christo
When: 24 Sep 12 13:08
Fair play wildman.

I think it's an Ulster thing in my opinion.

Tyrone & Armagh never got the credit they deserved and even back in the early 90's i remember loads of criticism of an excellent Derry team.
By:
freddiek
When: 24 Sep 12 13:09
not to sound cruel but mayo in an All-Ireland usually = a bad game. they re either hockeyed (2004/6) or competitive in poor matches (96/7 and 2012)
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 24 Sep 12 13:10
There is merit in what you are saying although the language used detracts from the general points.
By:
wildmanfromborneo
When: 24 Sep 12 13:12
My last post is directed at Bobbybocala.
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