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shocking runs from his winners this week...themoonandsixpence pulled up after 3 after a couple of fences ....surely willie will close up shop ....maybe ruby or willie might come on tv and shed some light on these runs.....punters do matter ....
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Dani Cantalona,Letherbelucky,Sweetmylord, all ran shockers,might be the ground there WR,don,t tend to get it like that too often?
silly talk, always going to have a few bad runs in a row at somestage given the amount of runners he has , still 3 winners and a fair few more placed in the past 2 weeks
According to my sources themoon was not fancied
lapsy pa , dani won on heavy ground at tramore ,willie said on tng just before the race that letherbelucky would go in the ground ...did she ?....the run of themoonandsixpence was to bad to be true ..jumped well but after the first was almost tailed off ..now willie did say he wasn't sure about the ground for it ...but tailed off after a couple of furlongs....i ask you...ko2 a few bad runs in a row i can allow for ..these were more than just bad runs mate.....
You are asking a fair question WR and i agree in essence there are some shockers agree all should have run a lot better,point i was making was its unusual ground(heavy,drying out making it sticky).Might well be what you are alluding to as well.
just one of those things imo..he has a lot of runners so 2-3 winners and this week will be forgotten..i have to admit i was amazed how bad leatherbelucky ran..although it was a decent race..but i still thought she.d run better than that..
another day and another one pulled up with over a mile to run......
of course he did ..a brilliant race , loads of money for it to ...what about the other ones this week ..that hardly made it out onto the 2nd circuit....?
Isn't it a bit ironic that these bigger stables are as bad as any out there, but as you know workrider there's always an excuse nothing is ever deliberate?.
thats the point , they sweep runs like those under the table without even a blink of the eye...it cant be good for the image of irish racing when the leading taine has at least 3 horses beaten with a mile to run and others pulled up...yet when the money comes for one it wins half the track....i rest my case ..before anyone says the horses didn't go on the ground ..they should ask themselves these two questions ..why did the trainer run them if he was unsure about the ground , and secondly how come they were beaten so far out ...
Believe me workrider they'll all be running perfectly ok on similar type ground all through the winter, when it suits them of course.
another one finds nothing ....sorry no money for that either .....
shakervilz???
primroseandblue was giving away weight, bit old for novice hurdling, may have hated the ground and ridden by a bumper jockey against top lads. i wouldn't have backed him wonks.... simple.
primroseandblue was giving away weight, bit old for novice hurdling, may have hated the ground and ridden by a bumper jockey against top lads. i wouldn't have backed him wonks.... simple.
shaker , beaten lto over hurdles said not to like jumping fences , ok a 4 runner race so would have a chance ...are you telling me paddy is only a bumper jockey ..
...pity you never joined the tipping comp ...i'm sure you would have had it won after a week ....
...pity you never joined the tipping comp ...i'm sure you would have had it won after a week ....
prefer to concentrate on the weather wonky. a lot easier to clean up on. i leave "tipping" competitions to the likes of you. too much luck needed.
if the guys at the met offices cant get the weather right ..what chance have you ffs..another bankrupt heading for britain.....
A general 5/4f this morning pulled up after tailing off, no doubt there will be a perfectly reasonable and truthful explanation for such an appalling run? well the apologists always dig really deep to find one, or like the O'Brien runners Willie the untouchable doesn't have to explain these dreadful runs of his charges, but anybody with at least half a brain cell would know that the horse was sent to the racecourse with no intention of ever doing itself justice.
id say half his horses are sick.its not his usual form silver.not with such quality horses.
I agree Kavvie.......Silvergreaser will have to find another National Hunt stable to haunt once Willie starts firing in the winners.
The ground at Listowel has been sticky all week(not soft).often horses just can't go on this as Wp.Mullins explained on Rte radio 1 today.Conspiracy theorists barking up the wrong tree here
dj876 , not a conspiracy theorist , just looking for an explanation , horses not going on the ground is one thing ..normally that implies they were involved at some stage of the race ...these were high class horses that never raised a gallop ..a big difference ....for punters to ask for a reason for those poor runs is not unheard of...these same trainers are quick to take the praise when they win races ..so why not explain when they fall so short ....i seem to remember a certain horse of willies been tailed off at leopardstown at xmas and willie telling all and sundry that it didn't go on the ground ...yet it comes out at the punchestown festival and nearly wins on the same ground...i wonder how that happened...
Cant have the ground as an excuse for Tarla....has won on very soft ground & also bolted up on "Holding" ground....there must be another reason.
Wr.I presume ur on about Blackstairmountain(beaten 3 times at 1.01)-They're not machines.Wp Mullins went through last season with a near 30 % strike rate-Imo u can generally back a Mullins fav with the strongest form with a degree of confidence in contrast to some of his Nh colleagues where ud want even money that they are off,never mind to win a race.
Lads were moaning last season that he had a monopoly........you can't please everyone.
Willie finished up the meeting maintaining that strikerate(dj,s 30%) with 6 winners from 19 runners under both codes(sp,s 1/10,4/9,4/5,7/4,5/4 and 8/15) including 2 from 2 for Wylie.
However almost half his runners(8 from 19)ran from poor to abysmal,all in my opinion were entitled to be a lot closer and most had previous soft/heavy ground form. Tarla,Primroseandblue,Fatcatinthehat,Letterherbelucky,Dani Cantilona, Themoonandsixpence,Sweetmylord and Bundle of fun.(sp,s between 6/4 and 10/1)
While i initially blamed the ground at the start of the thread i,m not so sure now,"the degree of confidence" with Mullins has evaporated as simply too many ran so bad.No doubt normal service will return,a swerve for me at the moment.
However almost half his runners(8 from 19)ran from poor to abysmal,all in my opinion were entitled to be a lot closer and most had previous soft/heavy ground form. Tarla,Primroseandblue,Fatcatinthehat,Letterherbelucky,Dani Cantilona, Themoonandsixpence,Sweetmylord and Bundle of fun.(sp,s between 6/4 and 10/1)
While i initially blamed the ground at the start of the thread i,m not so sure now,"the degree of confidence" with Mullins has evaporated as simply too many ran so bad.No doubt normal service will return,a swerve for me at the moment.
heading to gowran lapsy pa , so might change my mind and give him another chance ,i think hes a fantastic trainer ...i also think he should be more open with punters....it seems to me that those who are in the know are massive punters ...dj876 , glad to see you brought up that old chesnut , a trainers fav weapon ..the're not machines ..its dug them out of many a hole.....
Workrider.........WPM was interviewed on atr about the running of his horses in Listowel........they played it a few times.
I was itching with Blazing tempo alright ,Good if trappy card,maybe Caponata hard to judge the raiders.Denis Hogan sends one to Uttoxeter,well backed but probably just watch as they finished in a heap at Limerick.Have a good day there.
,Good if trappy card,maybe Caponata hard to judge the raiders.Denis Hogan sends one to Uttoxeter,well backed but probably just watch as they finished in a heap at Limerick.Have a good day there.
saw some of those interviews gant , the all inclusive , they didn't go on the ground , well theres more than meets the eye imo..lots of them had run on ground similar to what they encountered at listowel , the difference been they were able to handle it well enough....i'd love to hear what people on here would be saying if it was barneys stable they were running out of....
pa lapsy , the head is saying back willies in the first , and sir henrys in caponatas race....and yes you've guessed it blazing tempo ...oh woe is me....
Well does Willie think the ground through the winter months is going to be good?, the fact is the ground during the winter for the most part will be exactly the same if not a lot worse, and many of these horses who disappointed will be winning hard held when they're much fitter and capable of doing themselves justice on the exact same ground, and the apoligists will say they're not machines, and the punters who backed these well fancied horses (on form) can go jump in the ocean as your money is welcome but worthless at the same time.
Of course horses can't talk if they could not a trainer on earth would be save from a prison cell, but that doean't excuse the lack of action from the authorities, no point relying on the media to highlight these issues, they've long been subdued by the bullies, say the wrong thing and you'll out in the cold in double quick time.
Of course horses can't talk if they could not a trainer on earth would be save from a prison cell, but that doean't excuse the lack of action from the authorities, no point relying on the media to highlight these issues, they've long been subdued by the bullies, say the wrong thing and you'll out in the cold in double quick time.
Below is a rule they have in Hong Kong designed of course to counteract the activities of trainers like Martin, Curley and Byrnes et al, of course we can throw in a few untouchables like Willie and Jesus Christ himself aka Aidan, no fear of the inbred authorities ever introducing a rule like that in this country as it might give them the power to act against a friend or a friend of a friend or inlaw etc;
(25) To order that future entries or declarations be not accepted for any horse
the performances of which in their opinion have been unduly
inconsistent.
(26) To penalise any person who, in their opinion, has been responsible for or
has been a party to the unduly inconsistent running of any horse
(25) To order that future entries or declarations be not accepted for any horse
the performances of which in their opinion have been unduly
inconsistent.
(26) To penalise any person who, in their opinion, has been responsible for or
has been a party to the unduly inconsistent running of any horse
^ Won,t be bad rules to introduce to the all-weather in the U.K.
off now..will look at them in the paddock , then i only have myself to blame ..good luck all punters , enjoy your day were ever you are....
just back , left before the 2nd last race , backed norther bay @ 6/1 w/o 2...backed blazing tempo @ 11/4....a real negative for me was the attitude of one francis hyland , i had a loose 70e and decided to back halfords in the maiden ..i tried to back it with this guy who politely refused at first , saying he didn't want the bet..then he said he'd take 60e ...bookie my arse...its no wonder people bet on here.....a good day over all , a very small crowd attended....
Wr,I am glad you stuck with the reliable Mullins stable,clever ride from Ruby.
Was his bro Davy not there??
Was his bro Davy not there??
agree a very clever ride ..the mare enjoyed it out front , the ground was a big help....the race card today was superb a credit to gowran i hope other courses take note....
wonker.....he more than likely was having pity on ya......he thought it might be yer last 70......wanted to make sure ya didnt go home skint again......ya should be praising the man.....not criticising him......
Sep 23, 2012 -- 6:14PM, workrider wrote:
just back , left before the 2nd last race , backed norther bay @ 6/1 w/o 2...backed blazing tempo @ 11/4....a real negative for me was the attitude of one francis hyland , i had a loose 70e and decided to back halfords in the maiden ..i tried to back it with this guy who politely refused at first , saying he didn't want the bet..then he said he'd take 60e ...bookie my arse...its no wonder people bet on here.....a good day over all , a very small crowd attended....
and he is charge of the bookmakers association.....
Never thought he gave credit,surely Never Give Up hasn't done the impossible.
Sep 24, 2012 -- 2:11PM, wildmanfromborneo wrote:
Never thought he gave credit,surely Never Give Up hasn't done the impossible.
oh dear wildbore,u trying to ruin another thread with ur obsessive stalking......................at ur age do u not think its about time u grew up?
Tis only admiration I am expressing,if you got in there you would get in anywhere whose next Mulvaney.
Sep 24, 2012 -- 2:21PM, wildmanfromborneo wrote:
Tis only admiration I am expressing,if you got in there you would get in anywhere whose next Mulvaney.
no chance of me owing anyone,u said u know me so go and mention my name to any bookmaker and say hi to seamus and ray for me
Patrick Mullins explanation for the dismal run of hot fav Tarla, "never travelled" you're kidding me?, and why did the horse never travel in your opinion Patrick?
All you need to tell the stewards after a hot fav is tailed off is two simple words "never travelled".
Btw the horse was post race normal but ran abnormally badly because the trainer decided today is not the day.
All you need to tell the stewards after a hot fav is tailed off is two simple words "never travelled".
Btw the horse was post race normal but ran abnormally badly because the trainer decided today is not the day.
Ruby Walsh on Bundle of fun and Themoonandsixpence both tailed off before been pulled up, guess what? "never travelled".
bundle of fun due to run tomorrow .ground much the same as listowel ..will it be allowed run....
can anyone have this fellow after its last run....?
No,always hard to have confidence in one after a poor run.
if i had seen that the wonker was laying.......i would have emptied my bank for it.......punting it of course......must keep my eyes peeled in future.....
gary felt it was inappropriate to ask him about listowel.....
wonky gets sucked in again... is it possible to be more clueless? 
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