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Stamford Bridge
18 Sep 12 12:44
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The Ground has really ruined the meeting and its probably not a place to get too involved as some freaky results even some soft ground horses struggling there. We got a few things right yesterday but still caution is the key the way the ground has deteriorated. The ground at Listowel is heavy (Flat), heavy (soft to heavy in places) for the National Hunt. There was 4mm of rain overnight with a forecast for sunshine and showers today and tomorrow.

There will be no stalls in operation for the 1m 4f and 1m 6f races at Listowel for the remainder of the week. Today's three mile chase will be run on the inside track.
The three mile Kerry National Chase will be run on the outside track tomorrow. Fresh ground will be provided on the hurdle and flat tracks tomorrow.
Island hurdles will be in use on the outside track at Listowel today. Nota great card for punting !

2.35Jet O'Carroll Memorial Median Auction Maiden of €14,000.00 2-y-o


Janna's Jingle was well supported in Gowran but was never a factor although she ran on well without being knocked about finishing 3rd  behind the classy  BATTLE OF MARENGO. Johnny Lynch was a real eyecatcher in 5th on his Leopardstown debut where to say Smullen was considerate is an understatement. His long absence is a slight worry but he seemed to handle bad ground in Leopardstown and that race has worked out really well. In fact in the context of this race it's very strong form ! Unless he's particularly weak in the market I think he can defy his long absence and fulfil his eyecatching run at the Foxrock circuiut. Obviously the extreme conditions negate geting heavily involved but I feel he might outclass these !
Truly Delightful is honest but one paced and will need much further,but she does act on the ground is battle hardened and will be ready to exploit if the two more scopey types fluff their lines !
VERDICT: ON a day where the racing doesn't look great JOHNNY LYNCH might be the one horse with a bit of potential and dropped into a weak contest ! As I say unless he's a huge drifter I'd expect him to land this opener on a day when solid wagers look to be scarce !
SELECTION:(1)JOHNNY LYNCH [b]*** NAP [/b] (2)JANNAS JINGLE(3)TRULY DELIGHTFUL

3.05 Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Maiden of €14,500.00 2-y-o

The market will tell if the O Brien newcomer is fancied. Looks a far too tricky contest to get too involved with . But if you must have a punt,I'dv put up ABU NAYEF and FLAMESEEKER against the field. I was impressed with ABU NAYEF last time out in Foxrock where he ran well from a dire draw. He must go close and FLAMESEEKER despite runig green was clearly second best behind a fair tool in Gowran he in turn edged on from the rest.
VERDICT:I think unless O Brien's comes alive in the market this will be fought out by  ABU NAYEF and FLAMESEEKER

5-35 Captain Christy Maiden Hurdle of €10,000.00 6-y-o plus

Just 3 count here in this observers view ! Truckin All Night was punted in Killarney and looked a winner early in the straight but MAGIC SPEAR came there as if he'd just joined in and sprinted clear,he's probably above an average type for a Killarney maiden hurdle,so Jimmy Mangan's charge wasn't disgraced! Truckin All Night jumped the last two hurles poorly particularly the last and did well to get back up for second under a good educational Geraghty ride ! If his jumping improves he must go closer today ! Dani Cataloniafinally broke her duck in a Tramore Bumper,she  led over a furlong out before going on to beat Sitcom by a length and three quarters. That was on heavy ground but her trainer feels good ground would be preffered for her ! She has since run a fair 4th in a Roscommon Maiden hurdle so she should be ripe to run well on hurdles debut !
PARK RANGER is a pure rogue but has undoubted ability but saves a bit for himself ! Yet his hurdling form is Top Class with a Cork 2nd to REBEL FITZ and an unlucky 2nd to CARLINGFORD LOUGH in Roscommon his best form by far ! But he has dissapointed so many times,in Listowel in June he was long odds on and being niggled when he took a crashing fall. Most recently he kept on late in a Gowran flat race and ran ok for long way in 3rd behind a good horse in another Gowran Maiden Hurdle. He's tried in blinkers now again instead of Cheek Pieces and he wore these when successful on the flat at this meeting last year. In fact his last two wins have come wearing blinkers rather than cheekpieces ! He loves the ground and has plenty of ability but is a bit quirky but if they go a good gallop and he picks up the bit he could get towed into the race late on hopefully on the bridle as he doesn't find a lot off it !!
VERDICT I'm going to go with two against the field,despite all his quirks PARK RANGER has huge ability and loves the ground and is a second season novice,I'd forgive his Gowran 3rd he had a heavy fall here in June and was given a tender enough ride around the Kilkenny circiut in that particular maiden hurdle. I think it's between him and TRUCKIN ALL NIGHT who if he smartens up his jumping might be very hard to beat ! So I'm going to oppose DANI CATALONIA on the basis she lacks experience which on this ground is vital over hurdles !
SELECTION:Backing PARK RANGER and TRUCKIN ALL NIGHT against the field

Not a day for serious punting in light of the dire conditions but thats my view on a poor days racing !
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Report bobbybocala September 18, 2012 12:54 PM BST
fair play stamford......good write up again......theres going to be a gamble attempted in the 5.0......its a bad handicap chase......cant give anymore details......it will be obvious which one it is when the time arrives......very well fancied and wont be far away......
Report Stamford Bridge September 18, 2012 12:56 PM BST
Cheers will look out for that !!! just to say I meant that in her most recent race Dani Catalonia ran well on the flat in Roscommon in a 12 furlong maiden not in a maiden hurdle as I said in my staus post ! !!!!
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 1:27 PM BST
Fair play, SB. Wasn't sure if you would still be throwing the darts today given your week to date.  Hope some of your selections come in today.
Report stevie_p September 18, 2012 1:42 PM BST
another top post , have selections done but great to see some quality writing on the forum again.
Report Stamford Bridge September 18, 2012 1:43 PM BST
I've only had 4 bets in Listowel backed two winners two losers doing no harm !!! But the dire  ground state means it's not a meeting to get too involved with !!!
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 1:44 PM BST
That's a relief, reading the threads I thought you might have been cleaned out.
Report wildmanfromborneo September 18, 2012 1:53 PM BST
What you really mean is you hoped he was cleaned out,you have been trying to needle Stamford Bridge for a while now.
Report JayTrumpOldTomDubbl September 18, 2012 1:58 PM BST
Ozyman I have no idea why you are sniping at Stamford,this is the second time,and frankly its not nice......SB put up AP'S in the first yesterday as a lay,and he was very sweet on Nolans winner,but did advise caution due to poor stable form,lets see you do a write up of tomorrows card........all yours now in your own time.........
Report Dan Chipowski September 18, 2012 2:02 PM BST
Don't feed the troll. Only getting the attention he wants.

Great write up, Stamford. Much appreciated.
Report GANT007 September 18, 2012 2:03 PM BST
Well said Dan......Starve the troll and he will go away.
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 2:15 PM BST
YOu know Ozy we all lik a mess every now and agin but there is no point to come on and wreck a thread. Also from time to time it would be nice if it was more than just a handful of us starting threads that are about betting. So many on here just come on to try and annoy people, i would include a cople of posters on this thread. Great thread Stamford enjoying your previews to date, keep it up.
Report punchestown September 18, 2012 2:28 PM BST
Some of my stabs in the dark today-

14.35 Truly Delightful e/w,as alluded to above maybe could do with a couple of extra furlongs but will go on the ground so that's a plus and hopefully it places at least.

15.35 Antiquus,thought it was unlucky LTO when baulked just at the wrong time.

16.35 Swampfire,genuine type who seems to run its race and has won on easy but not heavy (not run on it yet).

GLTA.
Report punchestown September 18, 2012 2:29 PM BST
Meant to add-keep up the good work Stamford.Cool
Report Deplasterer September 18, 2012 2:34 PM BST
Yep, nice write ups keep em coming during NH season Stamford.

Ground shocking but going for a CD winner in the 4.05 Bonnie Acclamation.
Report kavvie September 18, 2012 2:35 PM BST
great write up sb.glad to have you back.
Report pa lapsy September 18, 2012 2:38 PM BST
Well written preview,fair dues to you SB.
Thought if What a island 5.05 runs up to his last run he ought to be an ew to nothing,trip and ground shouldn,t be a bother.
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 3:54 PM BST
Not having a go chaps, surprised at your reaction.  Hard lines SB with today's NAP.

SB, from memory were the winning bets a lay at 7/2ish and Rattan, heavily odds on?  I thought I saw plenty of losing suggestions.  A couple of naps and then analysis where you fancied a couple and would play depending if the market spoke...and it did.  But I guess you kept your money in your pocket.  Lucky enough. 

I know tipping horses is virtually impossible and to my knowledge nobody has been able to demonstrate on here long term that they can do it profitably (despite us all being shrewd and constantly knocked back by the bookies!).  So in my book, there is no shame or surprise in a few selections not coming in.

I think it's lovely to see the write ups, they help to frame discussions and help out the non-experts like myself.
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 3:56 PM BST
Lads heads up just chatting the Permit holder i know very well down there he said he walked the track and spoke to a couple of lads after the first and they all agreed the ground is quite tacky. Anyway just a heads up lads.
Report richters September 18, 2012 4:41 PM BST
REALLY......
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 4:44 PM BST
No i made it up ! You're turning into a right stalker richters
Report kavvie September 18, 2012 4:49 PM BST
richters is people like you who fcuk this forum up.why are you so hard on him?hes trying to help people..dont be so childish
Report richters September 18, 2012 4:53 PM BST
decides to share this information after 5 races kavvie.....if you are silly enough to listen to this bullsh1t....there is no permit holder in listowel.....anyway kavvie mind ur own business ye know all....
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 5:01 PM BST
You're a strange one richters as i posted it after the 3rd race, i had it after the second though but i was out bringing in the turf and coal for my elderly neighbour and setting the fire for them. So good deed done for the day and looking after someone comes before posting about the ground at a race meeting richters, anyway i'm not going to make fuss over my voluntary work that i do.
Report kavvie September 18, 2012 5:04 PM BST
what did i say that gave you the impression im a know all?id say your a nice one..
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 5:09 PM BST
Trainer just interviewed on TG4 described it as "deep tacky ground" instead of soft richters, not sure what's your agenda.
Report SHANEBOY_FANTASY_WINS_2011_IRISH_DERBY September 18, 2012 5:09 PM BST
.....ricters don't worry about this retardfingers clown..everyone knows he is a billy bullsh*tter..everybody knows he doesn't have 2 pence to his name..everybody knows he makes up stories on here to make him feel big and important..everybody knows he is a clueless gimp..everybody knows he lives at home with his mammy and daddy..everybody knows he has never had a friend or girlfriend..he is basically a sad deluded loser and if kavvie belives a word he posts on here he is as bad if not worse.....


.....sorry for putting this on your thread stamford bridge.....
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 5:22 PM BST
God i'm speechless with this Shaneboy, no need for this attack. Listen i got the info from a permit holder Shane who walked the track, he knows the time of day with things, i just thought the lads would want a bit of inside information from my buddy.
Report richters September 18, 2012 5:29 PM BST
kavvie what have i said to upset u or the rocket or even fhuk up the forum please....
Report kavvie September 18, 2012 5:35 PM BST
ok.every time he says something you give him a smart comment.answer.i dont care or dont want to know who any of ye are.but what could be wrong with a comment about the going?ive been talking to lots of people who are in listowel but i wouldnt bother posting what they are telling me apart from the small crowd and very heavy going.there are a few decent posters on here,please dont be bickering or there will be no one left?is that too much to ask?
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 5:36 PM BST
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[b][b]richters 18 Sep 12 16:53 Joined: 27 Jan 12 | Topic/replies: 3,592 | Blogger: richters's blog
decides to share this information after 5 races kavvie.....if you are silly enough to listen to this bullsh1t....there is no permit holder in listowel.....anyway kavvie mind ur own business ye know all....[/b][/b]

Come on now richters your childish, first displaying a low attention span then trying to say you've said nothing that could cause offense. It's just an inside going report that people are happy to receive from the course and that was backed up on TV by a trainer. It's not a big thing but you obviously think it is. It's the likes of you and Shaneboy that will drive me and the better punters/posters on here away.
Report SHANEBOY_FANTASY_WINS_2011_IRISH_DERBY September 18, 2012 5:40 PM BST
.....It's dopes like you retardfingers that will drive punters away..you are not a good punter or poster..you are a LIAR..it was proved before on here on the famous dirar thread..you have tried to reinvent yourself as some top football punter after knowing people high in the gaa..fai..etc..........and having asian clients and other bullsh*t you have posted..a DELUDED LIAR is all you are...now f*ck off and do the washing up for your mammy will you.....
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 5:45 PM BST
It is hugely upsetting to see successful shrewd pro-punters squabble in such an unseemly manner.
Report Rocketfingers September 18, 2012 5:49 PM BST
No idea what you're even talking about at this stage Shane at this stage Shaneboy. Dirar i remember starting a thread asking if people thought it was a lay. But never actually played the bet, this is fact mate, do you know how to ask a question in English? We use this '?'.
Report SHANEBOY_FANTASY_WINS_2011_IRISH_DERBY September 18, 2012 5:50 PM BST
.....f*ck off you sad dope.....
Report workrider September 18, 2012 5:51 PM BST
lets leave the thread for listowel please , fighting or otherwise should be done on another thread ... please lets keep it about listowel and nothing else.....
Report SHANEBOY_FANTASY_WINS_2011_IRISH_DERBY September 18, 2012 5:55 PM BST
.....ok sorry workrider.....
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 5:56 PM BST
Lets try and restrict the fighting to whatever thread is up and running when Borneo gets in from the pub.
Report richters September 18, 2012 6:01 PM BST
why is it that rocket is involved in all of these bickering threads.....and kavvie rocket has told us before on numerous occasions he knows nothing about horses and rarely bets on them,so keep listening to him and you will be on the road to the poorhouse if you already are not on it....
Report workrider September 18, 2012 6:12 PM BST
minsk runs tomorrow after a  long absence , a big punt for cheltenham last year before a few disappointing runs changed plans for this fellow ...anyone think this fellow might be up to winning tomorrow ....
Report richters September 18, 2012 6:52 PM BST
looks between the recent winner chamonix and the weld horse to me w.r although welds have been running poorly this week,nearly a year since he won 3 on the bounce on the flat on better ground....interesting hurdle form behind todays winner burrenbridge lodge.....another high hype horse teelin star makes its reappearance in the bumper 2mora also....
Report Stamford Bridge September 18, 2012 7:16 PM BST
BETTER RESULTS TODAY WITH THE GROUND DRYING OUT A BIT BECOMING DEAD TACKY GROUND,I'VE ALWAYS SAID LISTOWEL should revert to a 5 day all National Hunt Festival ! That track can't cope with 7 days racing with the weathers we have been having !
Report workrider September 18, 2012 7:24 PM BST
will they punt teelin star tomorrow richters do you think ....hughes likes a punt so i'll follow his money anytime....
stamford bridge ...
whats your take on premier dane tomorrow in the big one , for myself i'd be worried on two counts...he's never gone the distance , plus the thing i noticed about a run of his  good while back now i know , but his run on soft/heavy at sedgefield he looked as if he didn't enjoy it...on the other hand he's well h/capped imo ...pipe is no mug as we all know ....
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 7:31 PM BST
Better results in what sense, SB?
Report richters September 18, 2012 7:33 PM BST
dont think teelin will like the ground w.r...it run very poorly at fairyhouse when they blamed the glue like ground and our listowel ground expert rocket has updated us that the ground is in fact tacky....will be interesting to see does the money come for it all the same....premier dane is well in i agree but most of his better form comes over hurdles and doesnt seem to enjoy heavy ground conditions...tony muckhoy has spoke well of this horse recently.........i think casey top who run 2nd at galway could run into the mix here in what is always a tricky punting race....
Report Stamford Bridge September 18, 2012 7:39 PM BST
I suppose PREMIER DANE has yet to prove he actually stays 3 Miles but yeah David Pipe is a shrewd cookie . I just have my doubts about him geting home in what should be an end to end Gallop. Lots of shrewd men got badly burned on TEELIN STAR last Easter in that Point to Point Bumper at Fairyhouse ! He was the longtime leader but the  odds-on favourite  faded quickly. He's got a big reputation ! Both his facile wins came on good ground and there were quite a few showers before that Bumper where he flopped !!! !
Report workrider September 18, 2012 7:40 PM BST
I'D WAIT TO SEE IF ITS PUNTED sorry about block capitals was having a go at rocket earlier ....i was shouting .....Laugh.....they had to blame something or other for he puchestown run....if it was the ground then they cant possibly run it tomorrow...i dont like horses switching between hurdles /fences tbh ....but pipe seem happy to do so ..who am i to question him eh....
Report workrider September 18, 2012 7:41 PM BST
sorry ment fairyhouse run....
Report tony57 September 18, 2012 8:40 PM BST
not for me workrider...as you say he was a talking horse last season..but oh what a let downSurprised..i couldnt go near him..i think he,s a morning glory?
Report Murphys Stroke September 18, 2012 8:57 PM BST
Better results in the sense that SB gave the winner and the second in the 1m maiden and the winner in the maiden hurdle plus a loser in the opener.Id say SB is in front for the week so far and his pre race analysis is always well constructed and always entertaining to read.Well done again SB.
Report Ozymandius September 18, 2012 9:15 PM BST
His defense on Days 1 and 2 was that he only bet his NAP selections (sill losing overll btw, even at that).  Which was just as well because practically all the other selections/analysis failed.  Even though many featured 2 or 3 picks.

Applying that logic to today, he had one bet which lost.

You can't have it both ways. Or can you?  Maye this is why they say 'everybody wins on betfair'?

I know it appears as though I am having a go at him. I am really not. He is a gentleman, polite and writes clealry and well.  His write ups are good for the forum.  I just like to see some objectivity and balance at work in appraising tipping success.
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